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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Funny. Those parts crack me up too, but I'm planning to rewatch many of the episodes because they go deeper than expected as well, depending on the episode.
    When Kirk gets himself in a real jam he tends to moralize his way out of it by appealing to some human sense of conscience even aliens apparently possess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Shatner's acting is always good for a laugh.
    His acting seems to vary. Sometimes he's decent, sometimes he's just a caricature of himself.

    It would have helped if they would have finished the scripts before filming some of the episodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    His acting seems to vary. Sometimes he's decent, sometimes he's just a caricature of himself.

    It would have helped if they would have finished the scripts before filming some of the episodes.
    I didn't know that.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Trek, but, um, given what we've come to expect from speculative fiction these days, there is definitely a lot of cheese. Which can be appreciated in it's own way.

    I'm most familiar with TOS, and my favorites so far include "Devil in the Dark", and "Balance of Terror". Both of those episodes really play into the idea of space as the final frontier. Being more of a Star Wars fan growing up, back when people had those debates, that's an idea that's really not present in Star Wars, where everyone is well-traveled. I quite like that being explored, the idea that there's a lot of things that are still unknown, even though it's the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I'm most familiar with TOS, and my favorites so far include "Devil in the Dark", and "Balance of Terror".
    Devil in the Dark's one of my favorites too, despite the monster looking like a giant glob of pepperoni and cheese. still, considering the effects quality at the time, that's okay. I think it was a thoughtful, layered episode; those are the best of the old series, where it's dealing with social issues (like two sides to every story sometimes leading to conflict, and how we can negotiate and serve both sides if we care to listen), or just stories that focus on what it means to be human.

    Then on occasion, we get something crazy like the Yanks vs <whatever they were>, and a US flag with Kirk waxing patriotically poetic... yjkes. But even that is entertaining in its own way. When I was older, I liked more of the drama of TNG, and then after I had been been invested in TNG for some time, it started to get bland, boring, predictable, kind of toothless; and I missed TOS. Don't get me wrong, Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and there were some nice dramatic episodes (like The Most Toys with Saul Rubinek, or The Inner Light), but there was a rawness to TOS that is still appealing.

    I read all the James Blish adaptations of TOS when I was probably twelve or so, and years later, that one scene where a female Yeoman is turned into a geometric shape and crushed to death stays with me. That was horrific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I didn't know that.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Trek, but, um, given what we've come to expect from speculative fiction these days, there is definitely a lot of cheese. Which can be appreciated in it's own way.

    I'm most familiar with TOS, and my favorites so far include "Devil in the Dark", and "Balance of Terror". Both of those episodes really play into the idea of space as the final frontier. Being more of a Star Wars fan growing up, back when people had those debates, that's an idea that's really not present in Star Wars, where everyone is well-traveled. I quite like that being explored, the idea that there's a lot of things that are still unknown, even though it's the future.
    The cheese, charm and surreal feel are elements that made TOS my favorite.
    Liked TNG, but it takes itself too seriously for my liking (Note: Patrick Stewart still the man, though).

    I'd also recommend the episodes Amok Time, Space Seed, Mirror Mirror, Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Trouble with Tribbles and frequently-cited-as-the-best The City on the Edge of Forever.

    The Enemy Within is mandatory viewing if you're searching for classic ham sandwich Shatner.

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    I saw it with someone, just a couple of nights ago (I'm far from being a Star Trek initiate, but the person I watched it with is a huge fan of the series). A few minutes into the movie, I began to fear that my eardrums would burst in, and almost constructed a pair of earplugs out of the napkin I had picked my nose with. Once I made peace with the fact that I was going to walk away from the film with permanent hearing damage, I found myself being treated to a satisfactory movie experience. I found the music to be much better than that which accompanies most films (one of the tracks seemed a bit out of place, though, because it was written in a key that I strongly associate with pyramids and sandy streets. There I was, without a speck of sand in sight or the slightest hint of Egypt anywhere, and suddenly I found myself on the streets of Agrabah, waiting for Aladdin to come flying off the roof of a building). My favorite part of the film, though, would have to be the part where Captain Kirk's naked butt graces the screen, only to vanish from sight a few milliseconds later. Captain Kirk as portrayed by Chris Pine is a genuine, quintessential Sex God.

    My feeling was that the movie did not do anything very daring; nothing with any deep ramifications or implications occurred in it. It felt like the writer was making an effort to stick to canon and take his place alongside the other people who have worked on the Star Trek stories, when, instead, he might have done something ambitious and unprecedented.

    I was relieved by the fact that most of the characters had some warmth about them; many of them seemed like people I wouldn't mind being around. Even Spock, who is uber logical and everything, was actually a lovable character. I went into the movie expecting the characters to be dry and mechanical or strained and overwrought (most sci-fi writers are uninterested in or naive about psychology). But for the most part, that isn't what ended up happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    I saw it with someone, just a couple of nights ago (I'm far from being a Star Trek initiate, but the person I watched it with is a huge fan of the series). A few minutes into the movie, I began to fear that my eardrums would burst in, and almost constructed a pair of earplugs out of the napkin I had picked my nose with. Once I made peace with the fact that I was going to walk away from the film with permanent hearing damage, I found myself being treated to a satisfactory movie experience. I found the music to be much better than that which accompanies most films (one of the tracks seemed a bit out of place, though, because it was written in a key that I strongly associate with pyramids and sandy streets. There I was, without a speck of sand in sight or the slightest hint of Egypt anywhere, and suddenly I found myself on the streets of Agrabah, waiting for Aladdin to come flying off the roof of a building). My favorite part of the film, though, would have to be the part where Captain Kirk's naked butt graces the screen, only to vanish from sight a few milliseconds later. Captain Kirk as portrayed by Chris Pine is a genuine, quintessential Sex God.

    My feeling was that the movie did not do anything very daring; nothing with any deep ramifications or implications occurred in it. It felt like the writer was making an effort to stick to canon and take his place alongside the other people who have worked on the Star Trek stories, when, instead, he might have done something ambitious and unprecedented.

    I was relieved by the fact that most of the characters had some warmth about them; many of them seemed like people I wouldn't mind being around. Even Spock, who is uber logical and everything, was actually a lovable character. I went into the movie expecting the characters to be dry and mechanical or strained and overwrought (most sci-fi writers are uninterested in or naive about psychology). But for the most part, that isn't what ended up happening.
    For a sci-fi writer/series who is interested in psychology, try Stephen R. Donaldson's Gap Sequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Devil in the Dark's one of my favorites too, despite the monster looking like a giant glob of pepperoni and cheese. still, considering the effects quality at the time, that's okay. I think it was a thoughtful, layered episode; those are the best of the old series, where it's dealing with social issues (like two sides to every story sometimes leading to conflict, and how we can negotiate and serve both sides if we care to listen), or just stories that focus on what it means to be human.

    Then on occasion, we get something crazy like the Yanks vs <whatever they were>, and a US flag with Kirk waxing patriotically poetic... yjkes. But even that is entertaining in its own way. When I was older, I liked more of the drama of TNG, and then after I had been been invested in TNG for some time, it started to get bland, boring, predictable, kind of toothless; and I missed TOS. Don't get me wrong, Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and there were some nice dramatic episodes (like The Most Toys with Saul Rubinek, or The Inner Light), but there was a rawness to TOS that is still appealing.

    I read all the James Blish adaptations of TOS when I was probably twelve or so, and years later, that one scene where a female Yeoman is turned into a geometric shape and crushed to death stays with me. That was horrific.
    Horrific? It's not as if he returned her to her female - crushed and mangled - form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    For a sci-fi writer/series who is interested in psychology, try Stephen R. Donaldson's Gap Sequence.
    Great series.

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    Horrific? It's not as if he returned her to her female - crushed and mangled - form.
    You've got an imagination. Feel free to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Great series.



    You've got an imagination. Feel free to use it.
    Hmm, I'm not quite sure how to envision it. This may require a visit to rotten.com, me thinks.
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