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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Yeah, that's pretty much my conclusion is that they were afraid to truly show the Mandarin as he was because they thought that people would say he was "racist". My question is why couldn't they have given him his original powers and tactical abilities and just made him a Jihad instead? I mean they already watered down "War Machine" and called him "The Iron Patriot", why couldn't they do something similar with The Mandarin? Which brings me to another point....they barely had War Machine in the movie at all....another disappointment.
    The filmmakers were making an effort to be "subversive."
    They failed miserably.

    As for the racist origins of the Mandarin: The meta-deconstruction managed to work to some extent, but sacrificed the immediacy of the Extremis threat by doing so. Like the disconcerting emo-dancing Peter Parker sequences in Spider-Man 3, the movie never managed to pick itself back up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    Like the disconcerting emo-dancing Peter Parker sequences in Spider-Man 3, the movie never managed to pick itself back up again.
    It's really THAT bad?

    I still can't get this horror out of my mind to this day:

    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    Like the disconcerting emo-dancing Peter Parker sequences in Spider-Man 3, the movie never managed to pick itself back up again.
    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    It's really THAT bad?

    I still can't get this horror out of my mind to this day:
    I liked it and I remember my date laughing at it and enjoying Peter's out of character, over the top boyish playfulness. To have a moment of laughter in such a gloomy movie (considering it's a comic) was quite nice.

    Huh it took me awhile to remember who my date was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    I liked it and I remember my date laughing at it and enjoying Peter's out of character, over the top boyish playfulness. To have a moment of laughter in such a gloomy movie (considering it's a comic) was quite nice.

    Huh it took me awhile to remember who my date was.
    You think that is boyish playfulness? Interesting Riva.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    You think that is boyish playfulness? Interesting Riva.
    I was mainly referring to the last part where he quickly turned and spread at the ladies behind him and pointed at them.

    Well it's not easy to ascribe a definite set of words to define his actions but playing around is definitely one of them since his dancing was focused mainly around females. He was overdoing it but such playful confidence is/would most likely would be giggled at and discarded as boyish playfulness than be frowned upon, considered emo, mocked at or laughed at.

    If you watch the facial expressions of the females they vary quite a lot. Most of them are giggling at him, some of them are smiling with him and a few are frowning at him. So I wouldn't let it be discarded as an inaccurate portrayal of female reactions nor would I discard it as an disconcerting emo-dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    It's really THAT bad?

    I still can't get this horror out of my mind to this day:

    I meant it in terms of it derailing the movie by being disjointing.
    Iron Man 3 isn't awful, just kind of lame.

    Funny thing: I watched Spider-Man 3 not too long ago and surprisingly it has aged very well.
    When I first saw SP3, I didn't like it at all. I was so disappointed that I wanted to punch someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    I liked it and I remember my date laughing at it and enjoying Peter's out of character, over the top boyish playfulness. To have a moment of laughter in such a gloomy movie (considering it's a comic) was quite nice.

    Huh it took me awhile to remember who my date was.
    I went with a group of friends and we were all taken aback by the sequence.
    The entire theater was filled with uncomfortable laughter by the audience.

    It was humorous but completely out of place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    I meant it in terms of it derailing the movie by being disjointing.
    Iron Man 3 isn't awful, just kind of lame.
    Oh I got your point. I wasn't trying to stretch that into your opinion of the entire film, just that particular area.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
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    - A.A. Milne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    The filmmakers were making an effort to be "subversive."
    They failed miserably.

    As for the racist origins of the Mandarin: The meta-deconstruction managed to work to some extent, but sacrificed the immediacy of the Extremis threat by doing so. Like the disconcerting emo-dancing Peter Parker sequences in Spider-Man 3, the movie never managed to pick itself back up again.
    I've been reading reviews online and the Mandarin seems to be the biggest complaint about the movie, so I guess that I'm far from being alone on my opinion here.

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