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  • Yes, I think there are objective principles we can use to evaluate art

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  • No, the value of art is subjective and determined by the individual viewer

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  • It's a combination.

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    I judge art, I judge everything and I judge beauty. I make the judgements because I live to honour and revere the good, the true, the beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I judge art, I judge everything and I judge beauty. I make the judgements because I live to honour and revere the good, the true, the beautiful.
    I think art up until a point can be judged on a continuum of competition on the basis of originality. However that only judges the context of if it is art not its quality thereby invalidating such a statement.

    This sounds very similar to those robotic essay readers that were mentioned to have a possible use for college tests. To prove how stupid such an idea was these fellows wrote an automatic essay writing program and even got some of their bogus "research" accepted into publishing companies or something I can't recall the whole story. Here is the program. http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/

    I think the general principle is best described here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I judge art, I judge everything and I judge beauty. I make the judgements because I live to honour and revere the good, the true, the beautiful.
    Is beauty necessarily true and/or good?

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    I think art over all will only exist as an inside joke so long as there are illusions and blind spots to our perceptions. Of which there always will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    Is beauty necessarily true and/or good?
    Also, lots of art isn't beautiful in the conventional sense...

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    I do, which means I can, which means you can, which means we can.

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    Yeah, that.

    At least as individuals we can judge art. Collectively we judge it by remembering the good/notable art and letting the other art fade from our memory.

    I don't know how "objective" we can get, but we can probably at least hook people up to brain-machines, show them some art, and figure out what traits make art activate such-and-such centers of the brain.

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    According to a whole lot of Falcarius' colleagues one can judge art, but they would say that since they are anthropologists.
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    We can judge art, but it doesn't mean anything. It just comes down to feelings, and says nothing about the art itself. Just because I like purple doors more than green doors doesn't mean purple doors are objectively better types of door.

    But yeah, I like and dislike different works of art, like everyone else, and to like is to judge. It's just that I don't think there's such a thing as Good or Bad art, just personal opinions. And there's nothing wrong with that at all.

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    Subjective. Personal expression has no boundaries.
    Objective "standards" are antithetical to the very essence of such.

    Great art generally challenges personal interpretation, in my opinion.
    It is designed to reveal more about the audience than the work itself.

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