I like hard rock, specifically hardcore. I think there are pockets of really terrible hard rock and that's what's mostly on playing on the radio right now.
Ah -- so [MENTION=325]EffEmDoubleyou[/MENTION] was right.
I don't know why you keep throwing out so many subgenres that aren't hard rock and comparing them to bad hard rock. David Bowie is not hard rock, Chuck Berry is not hard rock. This thread is about hard rock, not "rock and roll" as a whole.
And I'll agree that a lot of crappy hard rock is popular nowadays. Obviously Buckcherry and Nickelback have some pretty shitty songs. But no matter what genre you're talking about, there's always going to be crappy popular music. We idolize certain genres, certain eras, but we forget that there was a lot of crap on the radio then, too.
We idolize pop from the 1960's. But have you ever heard "Macarthur Park"? That song is a piece of shit, but it made it to the top of the charts.
1.) I don't see how rednecks=rock
Maybe this all has to do with a difference in how we use the term redneck? Where I'm from there is are people who are "country" and people whoa are "rednecks". People who are ruuulllll country are just rural people who are really into rural stuff. Rednecks are more like the rural equivalent of ghetto. Generally, really aggressive, macho, sexist, bigoted ect. And that exit other places too, I don't think there is a name for them but generally their radio stations are all male DJs with women moaning the song titles, they have a lot of hooters promotion and everything revolves around being bad ass.
May depend on what part of the country you're in, then. Because that has not been my experience. (Except the bolded, which, in my incredibly white town, has some truth to it. The rest, not at all.)
[MENTION=6466]Stanton Moore[/MENTION] grew up in the same part of the country that I did, and he can attest to this.
I guess it depend what music we're talking about.
Bad brains, Minor threat, black flag
I'd call that punk rock.
Nirvana, Hole, Mudhoney
Pantera, Slayer, Iron maiden
Korn, slipknot, marylin manson.
That all plays on hard rock radio, so that's what I'm talking about.
It's a perspective thing I think. I think Iggy Pop is a lock more Rock and Roll than Korn, but I think he'd be a lot less accepted by what I think of as Rednecks.
Again, we're not talking about "rock and roll" in its entirety. I'm not sure where you got that idea. :/
i think I'm expressing myself really badly.
I think our misunderstanding has less to do with your expression and more to do with our respective points, in and of themselves.
I guess I don't know why we're arguing because I never singled out a certain genre as wholly bad.
All your examples suggested that you were talking about hard rock/alt metal/the sort of stuff that plays on hard rock radio. (I lump it together because it has the same group of fans.) Also your adjectives and calling it "rawk" wouldn't have made much sense with any other genre.