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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    You can tell him it's racist all you want, it doesn't make it true. It's your opinion, which you're entitled to. But it's not a closed case.

    I see it as a joke about the formalism of what we usually see in print versus the more casual way people actually speak. I don't see how it can be racist when people actually pronounce the word phonetically like "Earf" all the time. It's like saying it's racist to describe someone as "black" as opposed to using "black" as a pejorative.

    I recall seeing a comedy skit where a crime was committed and a police officer was asking a witness to describe the culprit. The (white) witness bent over backwards to use any other description for the (black) culprit other than "black", presumably because he didn't want to be seen as racist. Calling this meme racist is the sort of thing that provokes people like the witness in that skit to think in that ridiculous way.
    The social implication is that ALL black people, even an educated middle-class actor like Will Smith, say f instead of th.

    I rarely, if ever, see anyone imply that ALL white people, even educated middle-class actors, say "y'all quit bangin that screen door naowa."

    That's my point.

    If either one of you ever watched television or listened to hip hop you'd know what I'm talking about, it's not like I ONLY know it because I'm from the South, speech patterns are just something I have a heightened awareness of in terms of race and class because of being a Southerner who literally worked to learn to speak American Standard English.

    It is racist, whether or not HE intended it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    It's your opinion that this meme is racist, which you're entitled to. But it's not a closed case.
    Marmie sees it as racist now although she didn't say anything when I used a variation on that meme as my avatar for a long time. It's not as much fun to troll avatars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Marmie sees it as racist now although she didn't say anything when I used a variation on that meme as my avatar for a long time. It's not as much fun to troll avatars.
    I never noticed your avatar, I don't pay a lot of attention to you. You only brought this to my attention because someone told you that Will Smith actually didn't say that in the movie, and you insisted it was still hilarious.

    And I asked you why, because it's racist or classist?

    Because the f instead of th is a common stereotypical speech pattern of African Americans from the "ghetto."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    The social implication is that ALL black people, even an educated middle-class actor like Will Smith, say f instead of th.

    I rarely, if ever, see anyone imply that ALL white people, even educated middle-class actors, say "y'all quit bangin that screen door naowa."

    That's my point.
    The meme isn't implying that all black people speak that way. It's obviously stating that if Smith had said that line with a cigar in his mouth, it would have come out as Welcome to Earf.

    Oh, and by the way, you're no Johnnie Cochran and you have no business defending any races or classes.

    That being said:

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    I used to think all white women were quirky and had lots of interesting things to say and black women were all full'o'sass, based on dozens of romantic comedies I've watched over the years. When did you realize you were a racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The meme isn't implying that all black people speak that way. It's obviously stating that if Smith had said that line with a cigar in his mouth, it would have come out as Welcome to Earf.

    Oh, and by the way, you're no Johnnie Cochran and you have no business defending any races or classes.

    That being said:

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    I can't believe how oblivious you people are.

    I didn't make this up.

    The Thing You Remember

    Handsome air-and-eventually-space-pilot Will Smith, after being chased by an alien spacecraft, manages to force the craft into a crash landing. When the spaceship opens up and a spooky alien emerges, Smith fearlessly punches it in the face and, like the unflappable badass he always plays, casually drops a classic movie one-liner that can only be described as Willsmithian: "Welcome to Earf." Audiences cheer, aliens tremble and Earf continues to spin.

    But Actually ...

    He says "Earth," you racist.


    Read more: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-famous...#ixzz2NjaopJEv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I can't believe how oblivious you people are.

    I didn't make this up.

    [B]The Thing You Remember

    Handsome air-and-eventually-space-pilot Will Smith, after being chased by an alien spacecraft, manages to force the craft into a crash landing. When the spaceship opens up and a spooky alien emerges, Smith fearlessly punches it in the face and, like the unflappable badass he always plays, casually drops a classic movie one-liner that can only be described as Willsmithian: "Welcome to Earf." Audiences cheer, aliens tremble and Earf continues to spin.

    But Actually ...

    He says "Earth," you racist.
    Go start your own thread on the topic, and keep as far away from mine as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    I used to think all white women were quirky and had lots of interesting things to say and black women were all full'o'sass, based on dozens of romantic comedies I've watched over the years. When did you realize you were a racist?
    Who are you asking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    If either one of you ever watched television or listened to hip hop you'd know what I'm talking about, it's not like I ONLY know it because I'm from the South
    Actually, as someone who makes his living creating popular culture, I have a passing familiarity with both. And no, you don't only know it because you're from the South...you only think it because you're from the South. In other words, no, you are not the only one to possess this knowledge; but you're the only one in this thread to think about it in that way. That doesn't make other ways of thinking about it invalid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I can't believe how oblivious you people are.

    I didn't make this up.
    No, you didn't make this up. Nobody ever said you were pulling it out of your ass. But you and your corroborating evidence can both be wrong.
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    I don't think cultures should be free from criticism, especially under the guise of "racism" which is often a convenient scapegoat to defend particular behaviors that are not racially exclusive. I don't even see anything wrong with mocking accents/dialects. I mean, I wouldn't do it to someone's face if I thought it would offend them, but I don't think it is racist. Reminds me of this superbowl commercial that garnered a lot of criticism for being racist, which is absurd. If it was a black guy talking in a southern redneck accent, I wouldn't think it is racist. However, I understand how the meme could be interpreted as racist since Will Smith pronounced the word correctly; so what exactly was the person who created it suggesting? Maybe they ignorantly thought he mispronounced it. If he actually said "Erf" in the movie, then I wouldn't have a problem with the meme.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    A lot of movies would fall under this for me... when you get older your taste changes & refines of course.

    I'm still easy to entertain, but hard to reach. Once the initial entertainment rubs off, then I tend to see little value in a lot of movies. But I rarely go from loving to hating now.

    Oh I liked the Austin Powers movies & the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie, although I didn't love them & probably only saw them twice each or so. Now I'd rather never see them again.

    Oh, I liked Moulin Rouge, but I couldn't get through it now. It's a mess.
    POTC had the opposite effect on me. I couldn't sit through the entire movie the first few times I tried, but ultimately Jack Sparrow's charm converted me. Now, I own all four. I wouldn't say they are "great" movies, by any means, but I've grown to like them.

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