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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    'Firefly' is out of the question: I can't stand Nathan Fillion.
    Ah. I've seen in Castle recently, I don't like him in that much, either. Okay, start with Buffy, but realize that you'll have episodes to slog through before it starts coming together.

    I was skeptical about his movie career, because his talents are really made for TV. I saw Avengers. It's not my genre, and what I will say is in agreement with even the most critical of his reviews, he did an amazing job putting together a movie with so many strong characters, and not have it be an utter mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Can someone explain to me the appeal of his work?
    Explain it, no. What I can say is that it's probably the same reason as to why I like J.J. Abrams stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Is 'Buffy' worth giving a try if I think that 'Serenity' is a pretty weak film?
    I like Firefly enough that I enjoy rewatching it every few years; I don't feel tempted to rewatch Serenity.

    So yeah, I think it might be, but keep in mind the "context" points I made above. When I first saw a Buffy episode, it was maybe from the middle of season 1 or season 2, and it held zero interest for me at all. I watched it seriously at the urging of an INFJ friend of mine. The first season is so-so (not bad, but it sets the groundwork), seasons 2 and 3 are where the plot(s) really take off, and it gets pretty fun. After that, the overarching plots are a bit weak in my estimation (instead of monster of the week, it's monster of the year, where seasons 2 and 3 overarching plots focused on character issues), but the character development subplots remain superb. Season 4 has "Hush" and season 6 has "Once More With Feeling" (the musical episode).
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    For me, if I have to pin it down, what I like is the way he creates, develops, and explores his characters. I also like the way he explores the concepts of human nature and good/evil. He covers a lot of serious stuff, but the humor keeps it from total bleakness and despair or taking itself too seriously. Firefly, Angel, and Dr. Horrible are my favorites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    'Firefly' is out of the question: I can't stand Nathan Fillion.
    His deltoids of compassion scare the bejeebers out of me.
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    I agree with what uumlau said, on a couple of points. I’d caught parts of episodes back when it was on the air and couldn’t have been less interested. I only started watching Buffy a couple years ago because so many of my friends love the show- I was sick of missing references- and I’d just seen Firefly for the first time and really liked it, so I forced myself to watch the first several episodes. A catchy rapport really does build up between the characters. It’s enough to keep watching for the first few seasons (even though most people I know loved it even then, I only kinda liked the first half of this series), and then I really started to like it after that. And the characters I ended up liking the most are ones that I really didn’t like at all initially. There are a couple that never stop being annoying, but there is surprising depth in most of them. I mean- [possible spoiler] I think it’s the fourth season- Buffy wants to die for pretty much the entire season. It’s believable, and it’s really not easy to write a show in which the character struggles with the will to live yet the audience doesn’t walk away feeling like they’ve just watched The Bad Lieutenant or Doom Generation or whatnot. [eta: But like uumlau said, I don't think anyone could really get what makes the later seasons so good if you start there- you have to watch the previous seasons to form familiarity with the characters first.]

    For some reason Firefly really did catch right away. I wouldn’t have guessed it, since I’d seen the movie first and didn’t especially like it. But it’s definitely ‘strongest out of the gate’ of all Whedon’s series. And if I hadn’t watched it (which I did out of boredom one day) then I would never have watched his other series. Fillion is horrible (imo) in Castle, at least the few that I watched- and I actually found him annoying in Dr. Horrible too- but I really liked him in Firefly.
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    Early Buffy is pretty good. When Cordelia was still a bitch (and funnier), Spike was Evil (and funnier), and the "big bad" were run of the mill vampires (after awhile they had to escalate the villains to apocalyptic levels).

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