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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    By your definition, metal was music long before it was not music.

    Anyway.





    So this is all considered metal, huh? Not my style, but I guess you could call it music.
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    It's cultural.

    Music is not about end products. There's no point in doing the blues if you don't have the blues, and there's no point in doing funk if you're not funky. Those who are metal do metal and those who are grindcore do grindcore.

    There's a cultural depth to music that has nothing to do with how superficially pleasant it sounds.
    True, but that doesn't make the music good by the standards of people who don't enjoy listening to it.

    So since I like rap I guess there's a part of me who is an inner city black person.

    I like Nine Inch Nails (although I can't listen to much of their stuff at a time because it's depressing). Are they metal? I've seen them classified as industrial and alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    True, but that doesn't make the music good by the standards of people who don't enjoy listening to it.
    Said standards are irrelevant because it's as simple as not listening to the music.

    I like Nine Inch Nails (although I can't listen to much of their stuff at a time because it's depressing). Are they metal? I've seen them classified as industrial and alternative.
    Genre has more to do with a particular feel and background. NIN is industrial rock - a mixed subset.

    Once again it isn't about what something sounds like. Do you think Muddy Waters was making songs for people to be happy and dance to? No. He was a man who was singing his soul out.

    You know that Parliament was originally a doo-wop group? They tried to get a deal but were told they sounded too much like other groups at the time. They got onto a smaller label and decided that keeping up the faux act was just more than it was worth, so they started to experiment and probably did shit tons of acid, but P-Funkadelic was born out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Said standards are irrelevant because it's as simple as not listening to the music.
    There aren't universal standards of musical quality because it's all somewhat subjective, but it is relevant to the question in the OP. I would answer it based on my standards which are shared by some other people. Depending on your definition of music anything can be, but arguments can be made for one over another.

    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Genre has more to do with a particular feel and background. NIN is industrial rock - a mixed subset.

    Once again it isn't about what something sounds like. Do you think Muddy Waters was making songs for people to be happy and dance to? No. He was a man who was singing his soul out.
    There would still be beauty in it. Beauty + sound + rhythm = music. The formula might vary, and it might sometimes apply to metal, but it does have to do with the way it sounds. And since music is auditory, everything about it has something to do with the way it sounds unless you're focusing only on the lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    There aren't universal standards of musical quality because it's all somewhat subjective, but it is relevant to the question in the OP. I would answer it based on my standards which are shared by some other people. Depending on your definition of music anything can be, but arguments can be made for one over another.
    The question was "Is it" and not "Do you think it is". Subjective answers do not fit objective questions.

    There would still be beauty in it. Beauty + sound + rhythm = music. The formula might vary, and it might sometimes apply to metal, but it does have to do with the way it sounds. And since music is auditory, everything about it has something to do with the way it sounds unless you're focusing only on the lyrics.
    I don't think you can quantify a subjective with another subjective. Saying it has beauty in it actually says nothing at all because then you have to figure out what beauty is.

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    Furthermore, I'd argue that the definition of music that is currently on the books is entirely antiquated.

    I'd argue that many movements have arisen due to certain people being marginalized after learning that being forced into conventional beauty is not beautiful at all.

    Just look at the whole deal with feminine fashion and beauty. It's not beautiful - it's actually very ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Just look at the whole deal with feminine fashion and beauty. It's not beautiful - it's actually very ugly.
    If you're talking about the fashion industry, then it's partly driven by homosexual men (so are popular male images). So it was doomed to not be a standard from the getgo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    If you're talking about the fashion industry, then it's partly driven by homosexual men (so are popular male images). So it was doomed to not be a standard from the getgo.
    Just as music is driven by the music industry. Except in that case, it's people with dollar signs in their eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Just as music is driven by the music industry. Except in that case, it's people with dollar signs in their eyes.
    True enough, but there's more room for DIY'ing one's way into music (and promoting it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    True enough, but there's more room for DIY'ing one's way into music (and promoting it).
    Indeed. Such as Akiakane, singer and visual artist. Just because she can.


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    I consider it music, just of a disgusting, low class variety that grates on the ears. music is supposed to be melodious and elegant, not grating.
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