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    Oh, and U and I discussed awhile ago how we felt the title "Quantum of Solace" was enigmatic.

    Apparently it was a Bond short collected by Fleming in "For Your Eyes Only" (I must have read it years ago and forgot), but quantum means measure/unit of measure and solace is comfort... and aside from the reality of the Quantum org in the movie, both Bond and the female protagonist are carrying heavy burdens from their past that they are looking for relief from (basically the death of loved ones at the hands of Quantum or those who became entangled with that org) and both of them end up finding a measure of comfort by the end of the movie regarding those losses.

    So actually it's kind of impressive they managed to take such a bizarre title, sharing nothing in content with the short story, and make it relevant to the movie narrative.
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    Yes, yes, and yes. To all points. You nailed it. Remember the "depth" thing discussed earlier? The dynamic between M and Bond alone puts Skyfall ahead of just about any other movie in the franchise. And:



    That uncomfortably long shot that introduced Silva--Ouch. It was pure dread.
    And when he attempts his subversive "interrogation" on Bond...I shifted around in my seat a bit.

    It was...an uncomfortable moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Oh, and U and I discussed awhile ago how we felt the title "Quantum of Solace" was enigmatic.

    Apparently it was a Bond short collected by Fleming in "For Your Eyes Only" (I must have read it years ago and forgot), but quantum means measure/unit of measure and solace is comfort... and aside from the reality of the Quantum org in the movie, both Bond and the female protagonist are carrying heavy burdens from their past that they are looking for relief from (basically the death of loved ones at the hands of Quantum or those who became entangled with that org) and both of them end up finding a measure of comfort by the end of the movie regarding those losses.

    So actually it's kind of impressive they managed to take such a bizarre title, sharing nothing in content with the short story, and make it relevant to the movie narrative.
    I looked it up shortly after the title was revealed and found out what it meant. While it is innovative and relevant, I still think it is among the worst titles.

    Nonetheless, the movie has aged surprisingly well. When I first saw it, I hated it. I bought it last week and it actually wasn't nearly as bad as I had remembered.

    Do you think the Quantum organization will return in the next movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    That uncomfortably long shot that introduced Silva--Ouch. It was pure dread.
    Lol... He took his goddamned time in closing the distance, didn't he? It was beautiful.


    I looked it up shortly after the title was revealed and found out what it meant. While it is innovative and relevant, I still think it is among the worst titles.

    Nonetheless, the movie has aged surprisingly well. When I first saw it, I hated it. I bought it last week and it actually wasn't nearly as bad as I had remembered.

    Do you think the Quantum organization will return in the next movie?

    I agree with the title criticism -- I'm glad they actually did try to make it relevant. But it's just not a great branding name -- it's more intellectual and has to be dissected with specific knowledge of the movie and even Bond history to get it. Meanwhile, "Skyfall" (for not being a Fleming title) is actually much more potent IMO... it conveys a sense of dread and ending to anyone who knows English, and it ends up having relevance within the movie as well.



    I just rewatched Quantum this week, and it was rather like the theme song, which I disliked at first hearing but have had grow on me the more I listen to it. (Die Another Day doesn't grow on me, but that one does.) Anyway, I don't think Quantum is as good as Casino Royale, but I think it operates best as the concluding piece to the story begun in the first movie... about Bond searching for relief from his bitterness of the "betrayal" by Vesper and that she actually loved him and was just doing what she felt she had to do to protect him as well as someone else she thought she loved... someone who was just using her.

    I think my biggest problem with it was just the scope issue... it seemed rather insignificant. I mean, he just trails this petty little French guy, who is buying property overseas so he can control the water supply. And there's just this little hotel in the middle of the desert that they blow up. Know what I mean? It does resolve Bond's emotional arc and firmly establishes his relationship with M, but it's kind of a "small" story and almost not worth the payoff for a two-movie arc.

    That all being said, I think it's still enjoyable. And I like his relationship with Lieter.

    I'm sure Quantum is positioned to be the new Smersh so to speak (the enemy is within, rather than without), but I'm not sure what they've got planned for the next two... the current length of Craig's contract.
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    Well, I was gonna post my thoughts on the film yesterday, but sadly, the nightly TypoC blackout prevented me from doing so.

    I think I might post my thoughts in MOVIE REV'ÜS™ later this week. MOVIE REV'ÜS™, as you will find here, is a video review show I'm trying to get off the ground, because after the Nostalgia Critic went off the air, I got bored. But, like James Bond in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, I'm still trying to find my style, so it's still very preliminary.

    Anyway, about Skyfall. It's kind of a mixed bag. At times, I absolutely loved it, particularly the last few minutes. Also loved that there was finally a classic James Bond pun after
    And then there were times where the film got so pretentious, I threw up in my mouth, like when M cites a poem. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?

    Implying that Bond may, in fact, be bisexual is a step in the wrong direction, and even more PC than some critics' suggestions to have a black guy play Bond (Idris Elba is the latest rumor for the next James Bond?). Despite Daniel Craig's Bond being a blond, he looks enough like the other Bonds before him to qualify as...well...Bond.

    And those were pretty fake-looking Komodo dragons. And the face replacements on the motorcycle stuntman during the Istanbul chase looked downright atrocious. The CGI in Die Another Day wasn't even as bad. Even worse is when bad CGI is in a movie that takes itself so damn seriously.

    However, I'm sort of relieved that Daniel Craig wants to get campy with Bond again.

    Bond 24 comes out in 2014, written solely by John Logan (sad face), so in the meantime, I suppose I'll play my little guessing guessing game called "Let's predict the next excuse to put the gun barrel at the end."

    Anyway, that's all I have time for for now.

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    I think the one scene you were complaining about was obvious sarcasm on Bond's part. And it was being done to be unnerving rather than straightforward on the other guy's part.
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    Metaphors galore!



    Anti-climatic, sure. But it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think the one scene you were complaining about was obvious sarcasm on Bond's part. And it was being done to be unnerving rather than straightforward on the other guy's part.
    I dunno, he seemed to enjoy having his shirt unbuttoned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    I dunno, he seemed to enjoy having his shirt unbuttoned...
    This is James Bond, sardonic wit and all.

    I don't think he was threatened by it at all, though. He seems pretty secure in his masculinity.

    I think the different perspectives are a difference in focus. I didn't particularly find the Komodo dragons compelling and thought the one guy was stupid for standing there -- I would have been very aware of the dragons and where they were if I had been in that pit, they're pretty bad ass. (Normally they just bite you once, then wait a few days for you to die from the disease that runs rampant in their mouth... I don't see them so assertive.)

    But in the big scheme of things, the dragons and CGI weren't the most important parts of the movie, they were side issues; same thing for any CGI on the stunt drivers' faces. The chase was pretty badass, and I wasn't looking at faces, I was just looking at shape and form and big-picture stuff. I'd even say survival from a fall of that height in that position is pretty dubious, but I guess someone crit succeeded on his dice rolls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I'd even say survival from a fall of that height in that position is pretty dubious, but I guess someone crit succeeded on his dice rolls.
    Movie Physics 101, it doesn't matter how high you fall, as long as you fall in water.

    And did you also know that Sam Mendes wanted to cast Kevin Spacey as the villain? My guess is Spacey was unavailable because he would be missing the James Bond marathon on TNT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    Movie Physics 101, it doesn't matter how high you fall, as long as you fall in water.
    Try telling that to Tony Scott.

    And did you also know that Sam Mendes wanted to cast Kevin Spacey as the villain? My guess is Spacey was unavailable because he would be missing the James Bond marathon on TNT!
    I read that about Spacey. Glad he didn't. He wasn't right for the role. I think Spacey is a decent actor, but only in certain films. I really didn't think he was that great in Se7en either, but the movie still worked because the rest of it was strong.
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