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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    My adolescent self clearly remembers Ripley not looking like a man at the end.
    At the end of the series, not at the end of Alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Ripley of course. But didn't she look like a man at the end? Yes.
    by the third movie her femininity is a major subplot, she is actively discouraged from mingling with men in order to protect both herself (as a woman - from rape) and the men from straying from their oaths of celibacy.

    and in the fourth she looked rather feminine to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    At the end of the series, not at the end of Alien.

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    I think the end of Alien says more to the intentions of the original creators than the end of the series. (I didn't watch anything past Aliens)

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    Not surprised, already knew about it. Between the two of them, especially Giger's works that the Alien design was based on, it's kinda obvious.

    Anyway. Have a picture.


    Oops, I mean this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Ripley of course. But didn't she look like a man at the end? Yes.
    Lambert too, and the scene in which she was taken was very sexual.

    Not sure why the hell Ripley "looks like a man" has any bearing on anything, since she was also treated as a woman and contrasted with the men on the ship, even physically to the point of stripping to her bikini bottoms in a standard "female vulnerability" pose.

    EDIT: The movies were all done by different people, and there was a lot of studio interference in #3 and #4. There is no real connection in concept. It's why 1 & 2 are universally acclaimed movies, #3 is arguable, and #4 is typically considered to be crap. Alien3 has nothing to do with the original vision of Alien, where the artistic concept was generated.

    @sprinkles: uh.... yeah... um.... that's what we were getting at. Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Lambert too, and the scene in which she was taken was very sexual.

    Not sure why the hell Ripley "looks like a man" has any bearing on anything, since she was also treated as a woman and contrasted with the men on the ship, even physically to the point of stripping to her bikini bottoms in a standard "female vulnerability" pose.

    EDIT: The movies were all done by different people, and there was a lot of studio interference in #3 and #4. There is no real connection in concept. It's why 1 & 2 are universally acclaimed movies, #3 is arguable, and #4 is typically considered to be crap. Alien3 has nothing to do with the original vision of Alien, where the artistic concept was generated.

    @sprinkles: uh.... yeah... um.... that's what we were getting at. Lol!
    My research indicates that there was only a "Lambert rape" by the audience's subjective interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    My research indicates that there was only a "Lambert rape" by the audience's subjective interpretation.
    You win. Enjoy the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    You win. Enjoy the thread.
    NOOOOOOOOO.

    You didn't let me point out that the boots and pants in the Lambert "rape" scene with the alien tail going between the legs actually belonged to PARKER.
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    In Alien, the beauty lies in how subtle the distorted and evil sexuality is played. The first time I saw it at 20, I didn't even pick up on it. But this also works in the movie's favor--it doesn't take a sledgehammer to your head like a Cronenberg or Lynch movie.

    There is an obvious reason those fellas had trouble appealing to mainstream audiences.

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