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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Two answers:

    One is flight surfaces, is a small nod to reality. Another is use of his hand thrusters (in combination with flight surfaces).

    It's all fantastic silliness, but they do provide a small patina of possible technology.

    Still, I found all the creatures collapsing when the dimensional portal was closed to be off-putting. A word or two of explanation would have helped... an overlay of alternate physics (a little like Vernor Vinge's regions of space)? A high tech network that the creatures had become dependent on? Some of kind of energy transmission? Just seemed lame without a veneer of pseudo-physics.
    I never watched the movie, but I have thoughts on this line of discussion.

    For me, I've always preferred the work of fiction to not attempt to explain and validate these things. I already know that it's bullshit, and nothing will make it stop being bullshit. Thus any attempt to talk about it like it isn't bullshit is A) a waste of time, and B) an insult to my intelligence.

    The only time a detailed explanation is worth something is if it is of practical plot importance, and if that be the case, the author must try extremely hard to not forget or break their own rules. Man that pisses me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I never watched the movie, but I have thoughts on this line of discussion.

    For me, I've always preferred the work of fiction to not attempt to explain and validate these things. I already know that it's bullshit, and nothing will make it stop being bullshit. Thus any attempt to talk about it like it isn't bullshit is A) a waste of time, and B) an insult to my intelligence.

    The only time a detailed explanation is worth something is if it is of practical plot importance, and if that be the case, the author must try extremely hard to not forget or break their own rules. Man that pisses me off.
    Well, it depends... the movie didn't go into depth about the flight surfaces, just showed them in some scenes (adding a bit of verisimilitude).

    There are cases where the stated explanation makes no sense, and that's distracting. There are other cases where what's displayed leaves a big plot hole, and sentence or two would spackle over it.

    As with theories of rhetoric, it only pays to preemptively fight arguments if they are already in people's minds, or if they are likely to exposed to them (as a kind of inoculation). Otherwise, it just weakens one's own points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Two answers:

    One is flight surfaces, is a small nod to reality. Another is use of his hand thrusters (in combination with flight surfaces).

    It's all fantastic silliness, but they do provide a small patina of possible technology.
    The answer at the second link was "antigravity" - a small possibility indeed, based on the fact that he put the suit together in a cave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Still, I found all the creatures collapsing when the dimensional portal was closed to be off-putting. A word or two of explanation would have helped... an overlay of alternate physics (a little like Vernor Vinge's regions of space)? A high tech network that the creatures had become dependent on? Some of kind of energy transmission? Just seemed lame without a veneer of pseudo-physics.
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