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    Default Why do people adopt Rap/R&B/Hip-Hop Culture?

    This is something I don't think I am capable of understanding. Why would rich white people living in suburban homes find music that talks about being poor in a ghetto, being black, being gangster, going to prison, shooting cops, and murdering people something that they feel they can identify with?

    I kind of get how it's sort of a social thing. Maybe people use it for entertainment purposes then and nothing else, like for clubs and partying and stuff. And I get how it has a kind of poetry to it. But it's weird that people would identify with something that is almost opposite to what they represent themselves in society.

    Explains to mez, please.

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    People who are safe in their little cocoons of entitlement like to imagine that they are as tough as anyone exposed to the grimmest of stressors.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Your question is too general.

    There's many forms and topics of rap. There's a lot of universal messages that apply to many people as well, in rap.

    If you're speaking ONLY of gangster rap then yeah it makes no sense for rich white people to adopt it.

    However, I don't know where you're getting this idea that there are enough people who do so to warrant a thread on such an idea.

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    i mean i'm not rich, but i am a little white girl who lived in the suburbs. i guess i feel that good art can't be created without some kind of pain or struggle behind it, so when people come from backgrounds where they dealt with poverty, life or death situations and having to grow up really early, even if i can't personally relate to their problems i can feel that it's coming from a real place. other sad/angry music might be more universally relatable, but it can also seem more trivial.

    plus, it's not always about what they're saying, but how they're saying it. hip-hop has a lot more humor or clever wordplay in it than other genres. and it's a really good genre for just telling a story in a certain way. it's not that different from people watching movies like the godfather or goodfellas or something, just in song form.

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    I happened to spend my teenage years doing stupid gang shit, but I was a rocker then. And a rocker now. Many were. I think the friends of mine who are really into hip hop embraced hip hop culture for entirely different reasons. Some went on to be DJs and mcs themselves. They are more into the artistic aspect of that culture. Not all of it is about gangs or shooting cops. Some hip hop is like.. jazz in a way. Urban and kind of chill.

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    @Swivels Obviously you've never been to Sacramento
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    @Swivels Obviously you've never been to Sacramento
    When I mention enough of variable A to constitute the making of such a thread. I mean A in a whole population. Not based off anecdotal evidence. My overwhelming consensus is MOST rich white people don't listen to gangster rap. The assumption of this question is that there ARE many rich white people who do listen to gangster rap. Proof is required for such an assumption and until there is any I don't understand how anyone can take the thread seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swivelinglight View Post
    When I mention enough of variable A to constitute the making of such a thread. I mean A in a whole population. Not based off anecdotal evidence. My overwhelming consensus is MOST rich white people don't listen to gangster rap. The assumption of this question is that there ARE many rich white people who do listen to gangster rap. Proof is required for such an assumption and until there is any I don't understand how anyone can take the thread seriously.
    i don't know, i think most rich YOUNG white people listen to at least some rap music. however, gangster rap probably peaked in the 90s so this thread isn't even really relevant today. most mainstream rap music is about sex, partying or material possessions.. which is understandable how rich kids from the suburbs would identify with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swivelinglight View Post
    Your question is too general.

    There's many forms and topics of rap. There's a lot of universal messages that apply to many people as well, in rap.

    If you're speaking ONLY of gangster rap then yeah it makes no sense for rich white people to adopt it.

    However, I don't know where you're getting this idea that there are enough people who do so to warrant a thread on such an idea.
    Lol, it's just a question to get things started. I'm obviously not that knowledgable about the subject; if I was, I wouldn't post a thread on it. Meta questioning the creation of the thread is somewhat fallacious, considering that I'm making it known that I'm not that aware of what's going on and asking for understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swivelinglight View Post
    When I mention enough of variable A to constitute the making of such a thread. I mean A in a whole population. Not based off anecdotal evidence. My overwhelming consensus is MOST rich white people don't listen to gangster rap. The assumption of this question is that there ARE many rich white people who do listen to gangster rap. Proof is required for such an assumption and until there is any I don't understand how anyone can take the thread seriously.
    Lol, calm down. This isn't a court room and I'm not accusing anyone of anything. And none of this applies because I'm only asking about the rich, white people that do listen to this music. In no way did I suggest that all or most do. This is all very trite, unless you question the existence of it happening. But I've been around people that proves it, so I don't know what you'd expect to accomplish other than being annoying.

    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i mean i'm not rich, but i am a little white girl who lived in the suburbs. i guess i feel that good art can't be created without some kind of pain or struggle behind it, so when people come from backgrounds where they dealt with poverty, life or death situations and having to grow up really early, even if i can't personally relate to their problems i can feel that it's coming from a real place. other sad/angry music might be more universally relatable, but it can also seem more trivial.
    hah. I do understand that. I have some Marilyn Manson music I used to listen to just because I liked the obscenity/rage/energy of it all, even though I didn't necessarily identify with its message. I love this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obkOEDU8Mhs.

    plus, it's not always about what they're saying, but how they're saying it. hip-hop has a lot more humor or clever wordplay in it than other genres. and it's a really good genre for just telling a story in a certain way. it's not that different from people watching movies like the godfather or goodfellas or something, just in song form.
    Oh, right. I guess that's part of the reason for it being considered as poetry.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I happened to spend my teenage years doing stupid gang shit, but I was a rocker then. And a rocker now. Many were. I think the friends of mine who are really into hip hop embraced hip hop culture for entirely different reasons. Some went on to be DJs and mcs themselves. They are more into the artistic aspect of that culture. Not all of it is about gangs or shooting cops. Some hip hop is like.. jazz in a way. Urban and kind of chill.
    Oh cool, do you have any youtube examples? It sounds interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i don't know, i think most rich YOUNG white people listen to at least some rap music. however, gangster rap probably peaked in the 90s so this thread isn't even really relevant today. most mainstream rap music is about sex, partying or material possessions.. which is understandable how rich kids from the suburbs would identify with it.
    I'm not even sure if I'm talking about ganster rap, lol. I guess it just seems the same to me when they talk about sex, partying, and material possessions. Isn't that the allure of being gangster, lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    I'm not even sure if I'm talking about ganster rap, lol. I guess it just seems the same to me when they talk about sex, partying, and material possessions. Isn't that the allure of being gangster, lol?
    well yeah, but it's even more alluring when mommy and daddy are paying for your lifestyle instead of having to sell drugs for it, lol.

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