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    Default Prometheus Review: Are the Answers Here?

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    I posted Cavalorn's blog link on my FaceBook page last night. At least he makes a believable case to tie things together, and based on comments by Ridley Scott himself, no less. I just wish the script and shooting had made such concepts a little more accessible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I posted Cavalorn's blog link on my FaceBook page last night. At least he makes a believable case to tie things together, and based on comments by Ridley Scott himself, no less. I just wish the script and shooting had made such concepts a little more accessible.
    Do you think Vickers is an android? Did she/it get crushed by the alien ship?
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    I don't think Vickers is an android. We've seen her seemingly crushed by the ship, but I can't be sure on that matter. (I can't see the video you linked because I am at work, btw; I have no idea what's in it.) David's creation seems almost superfluous if Vickers wasn't human, it seems to make more sense that he "only had a daughter" but he really wanted a son and so bequeathed that stuff on a mechanical creation that wants to mirror and mimic humans but really has no idea what they are.

    I was mostly interested in Cal's tie-in's of all the main concepts -- the notion of sacrifice vs selfishness, and how this theme weaves through the movie, even pulling in the "The King reins and then he dies" line. I think he's made a pretty strong case for what was intended there... although the Space Jesus concept is pretty humorous. Still, what else could have happened 2000 years ago that could have impacted the plot as such? And Ridley himself alludes to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I don't think Vickers is an android. We've seen her seemingly crushed by the ship, but I can't be sure on that matter. (I can't see the video you linked because I am at work, btw; I have no idea what's in it.) David's creation seems almost superfluous if Vickers wasn't human, it seems to make more sense that he "only had a daughter" but he really wanted a son and so bequeathed that stuff on a mechanical creation that wants to mirror and mimic humans but really has no idea what they are.

    I was mostly interested in Cal's tie-in's of all the main concepts -- the notion of sacrifice vs selfishness, and how this theme weaves through the movie, even pulling in the "The King reins and then he dies" line. I think he's made a pretty strong case for what was intended there... although the Space Jesus concept is pretty humorous. Still, what else could have happened 2000 years ago that could have impacted the plot as such? And Ridley himself alludes to it.
    Vickers is an android. And she didn't die. If there is a prequel, you'll see what I mean. And anyway, it's an old trope that if you don't have a corpus delecti, then you should assume that the person/android is still alive.

    Have you seen the translation of the ailen words spoken by David?

    "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." I think this was on Cal's page. The self-sacrifice motif explains why the alien attacked Weyland at this point, after removing David's head. The human race is the exact opposite of that which the aliens wanted to create. To them, we must seem to be the very epitome of evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Vickers is an android. And she didn't die.
    Can you please quote a source, if you're going to just make a defiant statement that runs against what has been observed in the movie? Is it something in the vid file I already said I couldn't see?

    If there is a prequel, you'll see what I mean. And anyway, it's an old trope that if you don't have a corpus delecti, then you should assume that the person/android is still alive.
    Lol. Sure. It means nothing, honestly. She might be dead. She might be alive. She might or might not be an android. Working with what was observed, and the inherent themes of the movie (i.e., what was observed, not some "hunch"), we saw a ship roll over her, and she did not behave like any other android that we've seen in any movie at their level of technology. The only scene where it suggests she has any capabilities of being an android is when she throws David against the wall; that could either be David being caught off-guard and humoring her, OR it could be an error in the script, or it could be her being an android; but the other parts of the movie didn't seem to consistently support that.

    Have you seen the translation of the ailen words spoken by David?

    "This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life." I think this was on Cal's page. The self-sacrifice motif explains why the alien attacked Weyland at this point, after removing David's head. The human race is the exact opposite of that which the aliens wanted to create. To them, we must seem to be the very epitome of evil.
    Yeah, I agreed with that. I didn't hear the translation of David's words yet, but that fits with what thematically was happening. Which makes the alien's response even more believable and amusing -- "I'm going to rip off your creation's head and beat you to death with it, a-hole! How's THAT for more life??"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Can you please quote a source, if you're going to just make a defiant statement that runs against what has been observed in the movie? Is it something in the vid file I already said I couldn't see?



    Lol. Sure. It means nothing, honestly. She might be dead. She might be alive. She might or might not be an android. Working with what was observed, and the inherent themes of the movie (i.e., what was observed, not some "hunch"), we saw a ship roll over her, and she did not behave like any other android that we've seen in any movie at their level of technology. The only scene where it suggests she has any capabilities of being an android is when she throws David against the wall; that could either be David being caught off-guard and humoring her, OR it could be an error in the script, or it could be her being an android; but the other parts of the movie didn't seem to consistently support that.



    Yeah, I agreed with that. I didn't hear the translation of David's words yet, but that fits with what thematically was happening. Which makes the alien's response even more believable and amusing -- "I'm going to rip off your creation's head and beat you to death with it, a-hole! How's THAT for more life??"
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    Yeesh. Can't read LiveJournal at work either. I'm living in a fascist state!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeesh. Can't read LiveJournal at work either. I'm living in a fascist state!
    I have a question. Wasn't there an android in each of the original 3 Alien movies? What were there names?
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