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    Why do Hipsters only listen to "non-mainstream" music? Then, once their favorite artist gets big (mainstream) they stop listening to them because they are too "mainstream" at that point. This seems like an illogical contradiction because many artists aspire to get to the top and make it "big" but it seems like they never could do this and be a true hipster. Discuss.

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    Hipsters confuse me. I don't even really understand what makes one a "hipster", and yet I hear the term frequently. And I agree, it doesn't make sense to me. Why would you stop listening to music that you enjoy just because others listen to it as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    Hipsters confuse me. I don't even really understand what makes one a "hipster", and yet I hear the term frequently. And I agree, it doesn't make sense to me. Why would you stop listening to music that you enjoy just because others listen to it as well?
    Like I said, it is at that point, "Too mainstream". BTW, I think that about 90% of hipsters are type 4's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    BTW, I think that about 90% of hipsters are type 4's.
    From what I know, that wouldn't really surprise me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    From what I know, that wouldn't really surprise me.
    Check out this page, it give you a great idea of who hipsters are....

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Why do Hipsters only listen to "non-mainstream" music? Then, once their favorite artist gets big (mainstream) they stop listening to them because they are too "mainstream" at that point. This seems like an illogical contradiction because many artists aspire to get to the top and make it "big" but it seems like they never could do this and be a true hipster. Discuss.
    Well, I'm not a hipster myself (not that I know of) but surrounded by them. Naturally the main factor here is individualism. People define themselves via the "other". That can be a neigboring country, different religious school or political opponent, etc. In the case of the hipster, it is mainstream lifestyle. They just might sincerely have a different taste in art, of course.

    The artist in question however often doesn't just "make it big". Yes, sometimes they are dicovered by the masses, but often they change their style to better fit mainstream demand, some even change the language in which they sing. It is understandable that this puts off old fans while I also understand that artists develope and style doesn't have to be static.

    I also wouldn't call this illogical. If you define hip or hipster as off-mainstream or avantguard it is only logical that you can't be both mainstream and hipster-compatible at the same time.

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    Like I said, it is at that point, "Too mainstream". BTW, I think that about 90% of hipsters are type 4's.
    That is very well possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Well, I'm not a hipster myself (not that I know of) but surrounded by them. Naturally the main factor here is individualism. People define themselves via the "other". That can be a neigboring country, different religious school or political opponent, etc. In the case of the hipster, it is mainstream lifestyle. They just might sincerely have a different taste in art, of course.

    The artist in question however often doesn't just "make it big". Yes, sometimes they are dicovered by the masses, but often they change their style to better fit mainstream demand, some even change the language in which they sing. It is understandable that this puts off old fans while I also understand that artists develope and style doesn't have to be static.

    I also wouldn't call this illogical. If you define hip or hipster as off-mainstream or avantguard it is only logical that you can't be both mainstream and hipster-compatible at the same time.
    Exactly. But why would one possibly be interested in a system where they could only have limited success? That's dumb.
    That is very well possible
    Not only do I think most Hipsters are 4's, I think most are Fi users as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Exactly. But why would one possibly be interested in a system where they could only have limited success? That's dumb.
    I suppose different people put different premiums on things. Some might prefer recognition among a 'cool' crowd over recognition generally or resorting to some kind of empty, artless style to appease larger crowds.

    I don't think the bands in general do strive for limited success, however. They're just in that place of semi-success.

    And I have to second that with most hipsters I know it isn't about the actual art they are consuming, it's about establishing their unique relationship to it in order to make themselves more intersting complex (often artificially so). It's why they'll abandon music they love if it gets too large (or ignore a song they actually like by a major artist, at least publically) and also listen to, honestly, some pretty horrendous music in the name of faux experimentalism and originality.

    It's a silly thing. I know a fair number of hipsters and a fair number of ex hipsters (late HS and early college seems like a big time for this and to their credit they've introduced me to both great and truly insufferable bands). The thing about them is the real goal there is creating this perception of themselves as some form of non-traditional, rebellious coolness.

    In some ways it's the spiritual successor to, say, punk movements in the 80s (another group who had major concerns about 'sell outs') or the emo surge in the early 2000s. it's new and cool and a pretty simple (and in some ways appealing) way for a young person to try and define themselves.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Why do Hipsters only listen to "non-mainstream" music? Then, once their favorite artist gets big (mainstream) they stop listening to them because they are too "mainstream" at that point. This seems like an illogical contradiction because many artists aspire to get to the top and make it "big" but it seems like they never could do this and be a true hipster. Discuss.
    The one thing that I know for sure on the topic of hipsters, is that if it isn't a womens article of clothing it makes me sick.

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    well, a musician will not become mainstream if he doesn't sign to a major label, right? major label implies making money, selling music, thus changing your music to make it more palatable to a wider audience. many are the bands that start pretty well and once they go big start making really bad music (from my personal experience. like: first two records really great. become known. 3rd, 4th ex are way more commercial and....bad).
    not that i'm defending hipsters or anything. but i guess i could see the reason for your particular question. if you don't agree with my reasoning, please shoot a band that arrived to mainstream without signing to a major label (also so that i know what we define as mainstream etc)

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