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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think this is why I was kind of blown away (despite how risque it was) at the episode of South Park where they dished up on Lucas and Spielberg for the fourth installment of Indiana Jones. It was pretty bad -- essentially they had Lucas raping Indiana Jones on-screen in various montages, since Parker and Stone felt Lucas had raped the franchise, and it was about as graphic as a cartoon of that type can be. Hard to tell whether to be filled with dread or amazement, because to publicly pillory Lucas so directly wasn't something that seemed to be happening... his adoring masses of fanboys provide a protective buffer for him to hide behind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Probrem
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ana-Jones.html
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/show...park-vs-l.html

    I can't find any actual notes on it, but the impression I recall from reading various things at the time was that Spielberg just wanted it to disappear rather than getting pissy about it (it was kind of beneath anything he wanted to respond to) but Lucas was really angry .
    I'll have to catch that episode somewhere. I didn't watch Kingdom of the Crystal Shlock so the reference would have been lost on me. The most I've ever seen of that movie was the outtakes here:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Hey S.I., I just got done watching the reviews for Episodes II and III, and even though I didn't watch the review for Episode I yet (which doesn't really matter, since it is inconsequential for this next point), there is hardly a character analysis of Anakin at all. He just says that his characterization was poorly done (which I can agree, but I was still able to understand him).

    But you did, however, ruin Star Wars for me. (This isn't personal or anything)
    I already don't like the Originals, and now this makes me dislike the Prequels. The only thing I like about it now is Anakin's character.
    Sorry dude, that wasn't my intent. But you still can enjoy the films is you want; it doesn't matter what the critics say, if you like the movie then enjoy the movie. Or perhaps you could enjoy it in a new way; like I acknowledge the claims of the critics, but now I find watching the prequel films to be hilarious, as my brother and I can crack jokes at all the logical inconsistencies and plot holes.

    By the way though, I did post my typings of the Star Wars characters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    You should have figured that one out for yourself.
    I think I was too immersed in how the story played out and how Anakin's character was in my mind (by filling in all the gaps, via Ne, I guess) instead of actually watching the movie for what it was to notice. I saw the meanings/intentions behind most of it, even though it wasn't done or done properly on-screen, and I just accepted it as that. Perhaps this is why I have found only <10% I have ever watched to be uninteresting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    You'll thank us later.
    No, I get it. It was necessary for me to see the reality of it all. I have a tendency to build things up in my mind for what I think they are instead of what they actually are. I think it's the Fi trying to find the value in everything.

    ... I'd even refine that to be, "how Anakin's character could have been" rather than as actually implemented.
    You're right. Most of what I said wasn't actually presented on screen, or if it was, it wasn't convincing or done properly.

    Again, there's a difference what Anakin could have been, vs how he was actually implemented in the movies by the writer/director. As actually portrayed, Anakin was just a whiny angry kid with a chip on his shoulder. It's a shame he never really had a chance to be done some justice to the degreee that you spell out here.
    Yeah, no wonder why everyone misunderstands him. He wasn't done properly in the film, and I never saw it because I saw what the movie was trying to convey in my mind.

    I found the Jedi in the movies to be pompous jerks and rigid in their own way; at least the Sith were honest, and bequeated power to individuals, whereas the Jedi were opinionated and demanding. I like how the video games focused more on the reality of the Jedi code as described and how it contributed to that kind of behavior (SWKOTOR 1 & 2); at least they were honest. I have trouble telling from the movies whether Lucas actually realizes this about the Jedi or whether he's such a bad story teller that he can't even tell when his own creation is corrupt.
    You're right, which is why I wrote this post:

    One of the biggest problems with the Jedi is that they were often too narrow-minded, rigid, emotionally void and repressive (in all honesty, trying to repress your feelings is not good for your psychological health), and afraid of change. Completely anti-human. They just weren't adaptable or flexible enough, and ignored emotional needs altogether. On top of that, they knew that Anakin was taken in late and wasn't trained to control his emotions, and they didn't adapt to that either. They just hoped that he would learn. And when Anakin messed up, they got mad at him.
    Is Anakin what you imagine him to be in your analysis, or is he actually what he actually was? (I guess this is the situation with people in general: Are they what you idealize they could and should be, or are they actually just what they are?)
    Possibly a little. However, I think I understand what was trying to be conveyed. After all, how could I relate with him so much and not any other character in the entire series, if he wasn't even done well at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Sorry dude, that wasn't my intent.
    This was the kind of thing I was hoping to avoid.

    I wasn't saying that as a bad thing or that you should feel guilty about it or anything like that. I was simply pointing it out.

    But you still can enjoy the films is you want; it doesn't matter what the critics say, if you like the movie then enjoy the movie. Or perhaps you could enjoy it in a new way; like I acknowledge the claims of the critics, but now I find watching the prequel films to be hilarious, as my brother and I can crack jokes at all the logical inconsistencies and plot holes.
    Oh, I wasn't saying the reviews ruined them to the point of no return. It's just that now I can't enjoy them as much. It happens with practically any nicely done negative review of anything I like or even love.

    By the way though, I did post my typings of the Star Wars characters
    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, the insinuation (I think) was that he hadn't killed her outright but severely damaged/weakened her (through choking) so that she expired during the rigors of childbirth. Yeah. Whatever. Does this guy even bother to read basic medical journals? Lucas is such an idiot outside his area of specialty. he creates too many "omfg" and "wtf" moments during his movies than can be dealt with.
    I've heard that you can die in childbirth if you got a cut before you go into labor. True story.

    Also, if you fall in lava and your arms and legs are burned off obviously you can live. Strangulation and childbirth does anyone in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    It's just obvious what's going on here is very simple. We have an age difference. When Star Wars first came out it was a BIG deal, not just to me but to millions of people. <snip> So it's just something where you had to be there, in 1977, or the effect of it all is lost.
    The first movies really had their awesome enhanced by how ground breaking they were at the time. In the long term it doesn't make them stand the test of time any better. Not that they don't stand the test of time, it's just that that novelty isn't going to be there for anyone who didn't watch them "originally."

    I was 7 when Star Wars came out so I don't remember watching them in the theatre, if I did. I just remember watching them almost every weekend growing up.

    I hate the prequels I've seen them all more than once and they just never stick. The basic ideas behind it were good but the execution was just awful.



    eta: wtf?? I know what year star wars was made and theoretically I know what year I was born but from those two facts I got 7?? I was four.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I've heard that you can die in childbirth if you got a cut before you go into labor. True story.
    Who told you that, your brother's cousin's sister's friend's boss?

    He: She got cut and died during labor.
    She: OMG. That's incredible.
    He: Yes, after the decapitation, she only lasted another minute but still long enough to get the baby out.

    More seriously, I would guess, if I had to imagine such an incident, that the muscle contractions and pushing would make blood pressure shoot up, and a wound that would normally clot might have trouble doing so due to all the bleeding pressure.

    A similar piece of "weird death" trivia is that later-term pregnant women should avoid oral sex since if her partner "huffs" (blows air) into the vagina, it's possible for air bubbles to pass into the blood stream and cause strokes.

    Also, if you fall in lava and your arms and legs are burned off obviously you can live. Strangulation and childbirth does anyone in.
    Honestly, he should have been "Darth Torsoboy," not "Darth Vader."
    Or maybe "Darth Stumpy."
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    I was kidding about the cut! I was taking the death of padme silliness to an extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I was kidding about the cut! I was taking the death of padme silliness to an extreme.
    curse my gullibility!
    (is that in the dictionary?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post

    The first movies really had their awesome enhanced by how ground breaking they were at the time. In the long term it doesn't make them stand the test of time any better. Not that they don't stand the test of time, it's just that that novelty isn't going to be there for anyone who didn't watch them "originally."
    The story itself stands the test of time, age has nothing to do with it because the theme itself is eternal and will always strike a positive chord in people. Obi-wan getting cut down by Vader shall always be with us, even if the epic light-saber fight that preceded it was kind of lame. The importance to the plot of that single act was phenomenal, as a dead Obi was far more valuable than a living one. And they blew up an entire planet! I have no idea if that's been done in movies since, or only in books, but it doesn't matter. Luke destroying the Death Star with one shot from his blasters was only possible because "Ben's" sacrificial death was their salvation, and because Luke had faith in a power higher than his mortal being. The ending was a true miracle.

    I like sci-fi, but I find most of it to be personally dissatisfying. There should be more to the genre than spaceships flying around shooting at each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, all that. I think it is advised to recall Lucas' clumsy continual use of the "cut scene" -- he couldn't make an organic transition in his films, visually, if he tried...
    Are you talking about the screen wipes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Are you talking about the screen wipes?
    Yeah. They are very blatant and break any emotional flow currently in place, and don't contribute anything to the emotional arcs of the scenes.
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