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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    The Phantom Menace was breathtaking in 1999. The production values, visual and sound effects were flawless, but Jake Lloyd was annoying as hell. As for Jar Jar, I don't see what the problem was outside of him being the second most annoying character in the movie (someone had to fill in for C-3PO's lack of screen time). But why was the character such a racist stereotype? He was voiced and mocapped by a black guy imitating his grandmother!!!

    For the boring first half, Attack of the Clones transformed into a work of genius during the last hour. (And even in the first half, there's an unintentionally funny love story that in and of itself is a genius in its stupidity.)[/I]
    Such as the scene where Anakin admitted to Amidala that he is a murderer, but she married him anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Such as the scene where Anakin admitted to Amidala that he is a murderer, but she married him anyway?
    Hey! Stockholm syndrome is a very serious illness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    While I liked the "saving the galaxy" storyline of the originals, I agree with you that the prequels had the meatier, more intriguing storyline. But the execution was *awful*. I mean, just terrible. There was more potential, but much less follow-through. Nonsensical plot holes/explanations, bad writing, ghastly dialog, deux-ex-machina explanations of stuff that didn't need explaining, "let's make an uneccesary character(s) to sell toys" -- all of that was in the prequels, in spades.

    If you doubt me, go back and watch any of the "romance" scenes, especially in episode 2. If you can get through that without cringing, you're more forgiving than I am.
    I find episodes 1 & 2 unwatchable, except for maybe the light saber fight with Maul in 1.

    I actually laughed out loud in the theater during some of the love scenes in 2, I just could not contain myself. My boys (who were 11-12 at the time, I think), still heckle much of those movies. The movies really are just BAD in terms of execution and actor direction. They're mainly just eye candy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Such as the scene where Anakin admitted to Amidala that he is a murderer, but she married him anyway?
    Maybe she was into dark, mysterious, murderous men bursting with the power of the Force to choke her to death as part of some kinky love fetish on her part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    What the original series has that the prequels lack is a heroic story arc that people can care about, along with likable characters who can act.
    I blame the direction, honestly. There were a number of high-power, competent "stars" in the prequels who have proven acting chops; they just were given a terrible script + no decent direction in terms of how to make all the scenes fit together into a dramatic arc. (I think Natalie Portman in particular has a record where she tends to flounder with a bad director and puts out some amazing work when she has a good one.) I'm sure there was so much "green scenes" too that they had nothing to play against, which makes direction even more crucial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Maybe she was into dark, mysterious, murderous men bursting with the power of the Force to choke her to death as part of some kinky love fetish on her part.
    Does anybody really know how Padme died? It was supposedly to occur during childbirth, right? but Palpatine lied to the newly-fledged Vader saying that he had choked her to death, whereupon he said NOOOOOOOOOOOO! and started busting shit up using the Force. I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Does anybody really know how Padme died? It was supposedly to occur during childbirth, right? but Palpatine lied to the newly-fledged Vader saying that he had choked her to death, whereupon he said NOOOOOOOOOOOO! and started busting shit up using the Force. I guess.
    Well, the insinuation (I think) was that he hadn't killed her outright but severely damaged/weakened her (through choking) so that she expired during the rigors of childbirth. Yeah. Whatever. Does this guy even bother to read basic medical journals? Lucas is such an idiot outside his area of specialty. he creates too many "omfg" and "wtf" moments during his movies than can be dealt with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, the insinuation (I think) was that he hadn't killed her outright but severely damaged/weakened her (through choking) so that she expired during the rigors of childbirth. Yeah. Whatever. Does this guy even bother to read basic medical journals? Lucas is such an idiot outside his area of specialty. he creates too many "omfg" and "wtf" moments during his movies than can be dealt with.
    He can't edit, or write dialogue. So what's his area of specialty? Marketing Star Wars toys and games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Does anybody really know how Padme died? It was supposedly to occur during childbirth, right? but Palpatine lied to the newly-fledged Vader saying that he had choked her to death, whereupon he said NOOOOOOOOOOOO! and started busting shit up using the Force. I guess.
    I thought she died of a broken heart (both the Shakespearean kind and the physiological kind -- I mean when you die, you're heart always breaks down, right?). George was trying to be a poet before he could learn to write.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    He can't edit, or write dialogue. So what's his area of specialty? Marketing Star Wars toys and games?
    Art direction / Special effects (both sight and sound).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_%26_Magic

    Also, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_lucas :

    During this time, an experimental filmmaker named Bruce Baillie tacked up a bedsheet in his backyard in 1960 to screen the work of underground, avant-garde 16 mm filmmakers like Jordan Belson, Stan Brakhage and Bruce Conner. For the next few years, Baillie's series, dubbed Canyon Cinema, toured local coffeehouses. These events became a magnet for the teenage Lucas and his boyhood friend John Plummer. The 19-year-olds began slipping away to San Francisco to hang out in jazz clubs and find news of Canyon Cinema screenings in flyers at the City Lights bookstore. Already a promising photographer, Lucas became infatuated with these abstract films.

    ...At an autocross track, Lucas met his first mentor in the film industry — famed cinematographer Haskell Wexler, a fellow aficionado of sleek racing machines. Wexler was impressed by the way the shy teenager handled a camera, cradling it low on his hips to get better angles. "George had a very good eye, and he thought visually," Wexler recalls.[7]

    ... Lucas was deeply influenced by the Filmic Expression course taught at the school by filmmaker Lester Novros which concentrated on the non-narrative elements of Film Form like color, light, movement, space, and time...

    ...He was passionate and interested in camerawork and editing, defining himself as a filmmaker as opposed to being a director, and he loved making abstract visual films that create emotions purely through cinema.[7]
    He really doesn't have a LOT of hands-on credits in modern film, although he's been involved in a lot of films (with some other big names, and where he did not really have full artistic control over the picture):

    ... His work from 1971 and 1977 as a writer-director, which established him as a major figure in Hollywood, consists of just three films: THX 1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars. There was a 22-year hiatus between the original Star Wars film and his only other feature-film directing credits, the three Star Wars prequels.




    Quote Originally Posted by The Ü View Post
    I thought she died of a broken heart.
    If only they had had superglue.

    George was trying to be a poet before he could learn to write.
    Like trying to fly a plane before you know what a wing is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Art direction / Special effects (both sight and sound).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_%26_Magic
    I'm really looking forward to Guillermo del Toro's Pacific Rim.

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    Theses videos explain very well why the prequel sucks.

    I think Attack of Clones was the worst of every. The "love story" between Anakin and Padmé is boring as hell and pathetic. Hayden C is a terrible actor and Natalie P is overated.

    Ther episode 1 could have been not bad, we just had to eject the gungans and to eject Amidala, to make consistent characters, to make an Obi-Wan who's not such boring , to eject the Naboo,....well.

    Overall, every characters are boring, stupid an worthless, especially in the episode 2 and 3. Qui-Gon was not bad, but he was not consistent, the only thing we remind about him is his beard.

    The original trology, a contrario, is a true set of actually good movies.
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