The Age of the Unthinkable by Joshua Cooper Ramo
my boyfriend read the Korean version and I'm reading the English version, which gives us a solution to discussing literature ^^ (he's ESL level 2 or 3 and can't even manage with Harry Potter)
Thread: What'cha Reading?
10-24-2010, 12:50 AM #1121
10-24-2010, 05:19 AM #1122
Whether it was supposed to be one and just failed abysmally, I couldn't really say. Larsson the journalist, described himself as a feminist, but his fiction tells a different story.
I'm not sure why you're focusing on Blomkvist's promiscuity though. That doesn't really say anything about women. I agree that it was pretty incongruous that so many women would find such a spectacularly dull man so irresistible, but as a thinly veiled alter ego for the novelist, I suppose one can't begrudge the fellow his fantasies...
The rape subplot is motivation for Lisbeth's later acts of "revenge". I agree, though, there was much to be unsettled about - just not in the "right" ways.
10-24-2010, 07:17 AM #1123
10-24-2010, 07:50 AM #1124
I don't agree that this is the whole point at all. I think there are as many ways of reading these books as there are readers.
Also, most of the women in the books do not control their own lives. Even Salander is very much a victim and product of the system. And the way that she prevails is so unrealistic as to make a mockery of the possibility.
10-24-2010, 08:38 AM #1125
10-24-2010, 08:52 AM #1126
I never said that; in fact, I implied the opposite more than once.
Originally Posted by NicodemusIt is certainly irrelevant.
Of course their fate has an impact on their lives. But a real victim would just give in to the oppression. If these were not feminist books, Harriet might have remained and died her brother's plastic doll, Salander would have given up in the face of Teleborian's methods, Berger would have quit the job because of the mails. I don't really care whether Larsson was a feminist writer, but I certainly got the impression that he was in favor of mentally strong women.
Does that mean that rapist fantasies where the woman fights back are also feminist because "at least she has some spirit!" ?
One can equally argue that they are misogynistic books, given their graphic depiction of violence against women within a genre that is designed to entertain /titillate rather than to inform. Personally, I think they are neither. I just think they are absurdly overrated.
10-24-2010, 09:15 AM #1127
I also said that:
Originally Posted by Nicodemus
10-27-2010, 11:58 AM #1128
The Wind in the Willows, by Kenneth Grahame
"An intelligent hell would be better than a stupid paradise."
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10-27-2010, 11:59 AM #1129
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Waiting for the Barbarians by J.M. Coetzee.
10-27-2010, 12:40 PM #1130
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