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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    I have the first three seasons of this show, yet haven't had the time or patience to watch a single episode yet. From everything I've been told it's really good, though.
    I think they spend about $3 million per episode. It has a pretty high production quality for a TV show; the zombies are movie-quality.

    Also, has anyone played The Walking Dead game from Telltale? Playing through that is what originally piqued my interest in the actual TV series.
    I have played the game up to the convenience store segment (part 2-3?). I liked it, I just got stuck and then got caught up in some other games. I plan to finish, I thought it was pretty decent for what it was. I'm also kind of nervous about moral decisions I'll have to make later in the series. I already had to make a call or two that had some interesting impact on the storyline.

    Quote Originally Posted by SensEye View Post
    The article made some good points. While I love all things zombie, I wonder about the longevity of any zombie show. It seems they all follow the pattern of:

    1) Start with the zombocalypse and show groups struggling to survive the initial chaos
    2) Initial chaos has passed, now it's about the same small groups struggling to survive long term
    3) Next the groups start to turn on each other, and man's inhumanity to man becomes the central theme of the struggle (moving away from zombies)
    4) Usually the denouement is that mankinds inability to get along causes everyone to implode.
    Yeah, that seems a fair assessment.

    It would be an intersting change of pace to see groups co-operate with the theme being the stuggle to re-build society. I guess if it's too successful it would become boring, but the predictablity of everytime some group builds a mini-safe haven - it's only a matter of time before it falls apart is a bit boring too.
    Let's face it, every show has an expiration date, and you can't make the story go longer without ending it or changing the story a bit.

    I do think it would be interesting to get a society actually established. The prison tried to do it a bit, but they just immediately would kill off all the newcomers, and we didn't really see as much internal power coups in place. Woodbury was interesting, and their implosion didn't have to occur. It was kind of contrived.

    I thought the recent episode with the Governor finding a small collection of humans NEAR his new encampment and them trying to decide whether to hit them or not and steal their supplies was interesting, since it raises a question of relative morality... Can we continue to honor higher values, or are we risking ourselves by allowing OTHER groups with less morals to wipe them out? Or do we invite them into our camp and hope they fit in? Etc.

    And then we have the "bigger" and "biggest" fish scenarios, where you ally with a group larger than your enemy to beat your enemy, but then you have a new problem to deal with.

    There's some exciting stuff there to be explored and lots of interesting stuff that could have been done. Unfortunately, it all got dropped for, "Have to have a standoff with Rick in the prison cuz that's what's in the book." Meh. I'll be honest -- the PRIOR battle last season where the governor busts into the prison and seeds the grounds with truckloads of active zombies was far more ingenuous and interesting than this last episode. That was a pretty cool and pretty nasty idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I have played the game up to the convenience store segment (part 2-3?). I liked it, I just got stuck and then got caught up in some other games. I plan to finish, I thought it was pretty decent for what it was. I'm also kind of nervous about moral decisions I'll have to make later in the series. I already had to make a call or two that had some interesting impact on the storyline.
    Ha!

    The decisions you'll have to make only progressively increase in severity as the game continues and the tone becomes more bleak.

    I really enjoyed the story of the game, and I hope the TV series keeps the same general theme of hopelessness and capturing the essence of how ruthless people can be when it comes to insuring their own survival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    Ha!

    The decisions you'll have to make only progressively increase in severity as the game continues and the tone becomes more bleak.

    I really enjoyed the story of the game, and I hope the TV series keeps the same general theme of hopelessness and capturing the essence of how ruthless people can be when it comes to insuring their own survival.
    Yeah, I didn't like it in terms of being IN the game -- I was starting to feel the pinch, there were no "right" answers, just choices, and you have to start giving up stuff you wanted to keep to keep something else. Prioritization.

    However, as a gamer and as a writer, I really did like that. I think putting the player in the squeeze is a pretty good idea. It makes people think.
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    I just started watching the actual TV series a few days ago, and I've been sucked in. I'm almost on Season 3 now, and a certain event involving a certain barnyard revelation had me bawling like a little weenie last night.

    What I love about this show, as morbid as it sounds, is the overwhelming sense of hopelessness, and continuing to find some reason to persist onward and maintain hope despite no real actual prospect of improvement. Plus, I also love how they capture just how cruel and unemphatic desperation can allow people to become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    I just started watching the actual TV series a few days ago, and I've been sucked in. I'm almost on Season 3 now, and a certain event involving a certain barnyard revelation had me bawling like a little weenie last night.
    Yeah, the "barn event" was pretty cray. One of the best moments of the show... and it was one of the departures from the comic, so it blindsided people who thought they knew better.

    Aside from the fact they spend all of Season 2 at the The Farm, there were some pretty powerful episodes there, especially revolving around Shane. The last two episodes of Season 2 are pretty wild. The whole thing really started for me on that run that Shane and Otis made to the school -- great episode ending there with Shane staring in the mirror. And it starts to explore what kind of moral choices people end up making.

    What I love about this show, as morbid as it sounds, is the overwhelming sense of hopelessness, and continuing to find some reason to persist onward and maintain hope despite no real actual prospect of improvement. Plus, I also love how they capture just how cruel and unemphatic desperation can allow people to become.
    Totally. In the best episodes, that's the kind of thing that is explored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Totally. In the best episodes, that's the kind of thing that is explored.
    I especially like how despite the viewer pitying the characters, their situation, and wanting some form of positive resolution to things, they don't pull-the-punch.

    Despite the virtuousness efforts of Rick, they show that he, too, is very much vulnerable and an emotional wreck who is struggling to find the meaning in moving forward; They don't allow his moral compass to dictate the direction of the show, and as much as he'd like to save everyone and ensure them that things will improve and that he can provide them with protection, in a lot of the instances so far, he's failed, which makes the successes of Shane even that much more gripping, despite that darker turn in the direction of his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
    I especially like how despite the viewer pitying the characters, their situation, and wanting some form of positive resolution to things, they don't pull-the-punch.
    yeah. It's pretty starkly honest much of the time, kinda like the reason I like Breaking Bad so much.

    One can actually be sympathetic to Shane, despite all the tension and division he causes, because you also (as you say) see his successes and also there is some intention there to save the group. Are pre-apocalyptic ethics part of a post-apocalyptic world? The show asks that question a lot... and in the best moments, even making what we would say to be the "right" choice sometimes has some immediate detrimental outcome. Shane's power comes from the fact that, in many ways, he is actually correct. What it comes down to is idealism vs realism and what we are willing to live and die for.

    Despite the virtuousness efforts of Rick, they show that he, too, is very much vulnerable and an emotional wreck who is struggling to find the meaning in moving forward; They don't allow his moral compass to dictate the direction of the show, and as much as he'd like to save everyone and ensure them that things will improve and that he can provide them with protection, in a lot of the instances so far, he's failed, which makes the successes of Shane even that much more gripping, despite that darker turn in the direction of his character.
    Rick really struggles for awhile, continuing into Season #3. It doesn't really get easier for him. In fact, things just seem to get worse and worse... as you will notice. There's some real doozy episodes in the first half of Season #3, including one of my favorite episodes ever.
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    you know, I really really wish that this show was consistent.

    The opener for Season 4, second half, I thought was really strong and kind of reminded me of why I had ever liked the series in the first place. It was written by Kirkman (so I'm gonna have to give him props) and directed by Nicotero, who's directed some pretty strong episodes including the one where Merle and Daryl meet for the last time... It was paced nicely, took its time, and I felt like it really conveyed the seriousness of what just happened. I felt like Herschel got screwed over big-time by the mid-season cliffhanger, it was just so poorly treated; but Herschel's appearance here with Michonne was handled just right.

    It was a great character study of Michonne and Carl, despite not much dialogue. Carl's growing up and trying to find that balance of being a man while still admitting his own fear. I just thought it was great how he shifts back and forth, trying to be the grownup but... he's just not quite there yet even though for all intents and purposes he carries that load regardless.

    The whole scene with him eating on the roof was just funny, albeit also unsettling; and him telling his dad what he ate made me laugh.

    Rick has definitely seen better days. he really took quite the beating from the Governor. I don't think I've ever seen him so poor off. Who is he, now that he really ISN'T the leader and protector (as he has no one to lead)?

    It's also nice to see a little bit of Michonne's backstory, but there's likely far more to come. Also, she has changed; she used to just be able to walk with the zombies as a matter of survival, but she no longer wants just survival, she's more than a zombie, she wants to be with other people. That was a big step for her -- given a choice between going solitary and finding others, well, she made her choice.

    I really hope the quality stays this high for the rest of the season, but this show is just a crapshoot sometimes. I'm expecting disappointment but hoping I'm wrong.
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    Well, let's not jump the gun here, it was just one decent episode and 7 more to go before season end... but yeah, kind of this:

    http://theweek.com/article/index/256...lly-good-again


    EDIT:

    Also:
    http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...-things-r.aspx
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    Finally watched this- and this is all I can think about:


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