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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Altar boy jokes are a bad hobbit to get into.
    They often don't measure up, 'tis true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    They often don't measure up, 'tis true.
    They do fall short on delivery, don't they?
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    Ugh. I can't believe you guys are going there... and back again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Oh god... I always mock that part because it's just so absurdly over the top emotions. (Clearly we should never sit next to each other during ROTK.) I also usually make an alter boy joke somewhere along the moment when everyone kneels to the hobbits.
    Aw nooooo! Maybe you have to take yourself too seriously, like I do, to "appreciate" it... I think my INFJ friend also loved that bit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Altar boy jokes are a bad hobbit to get into.
    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    They often don't measure up, 'tis true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
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    Ugh. I can't believe you guys are going there... and back again.
    Oh, Udog! Nicely played, NICELY played.

    It's like a hobbit's holiday in here.
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    The reviews are as I predicted: an overlong running time that can't support the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    heck, I'd go with you.
    I'm going alone too, but to a Friday afternoon showing instead. I just don't feel like staying up until 4am to get to work on Friday, even going in late. And I figure the midnight showing might be more packed than the Friday afternoon one.

    In other news, I'm thinking people ain't feeling the love no more. Jackson's apparently burned whatever capital he had, at least among the reviewers; none seem inclined to show him any mercy. The reviews just get harsher and harsher. It's almost like payback for the over-hype of LotR, even though it's been finished for how many years now? (Don't remember)

    This newest Yahoo review I saw is pretty scathing and detailed. Yikes.
    http://news.yahoo.com/hobbit-one-bad...173813922.html

    I'm seeing the IMAX High-Res, just to see how it goes. If i hate it, kiss that goodbye on the next two.
    Yeah, I'm seeing the HFR 3D bullshit too. Stephen Colbert is the hugest LotR fan I know and he raved about it. I doubt it will be the same as LotR (which I loved) but it's always nice to see some more Tolkien-verse. One thing in the movie's favor is that I haven't read the book in several years, so I'm not going to scrutinizing every ridiculous adaptation away from the book.
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    It took me about 20 minutes to get used to the hfr 3d. On the whole I liked it and thought it made the big Panoramic scenes really beautiful even if some some of the fast action scenes were a little too fast for my eyes. I was fairly pleased with the story and what Jackson added and kept. I only had one major complaint about the plot, but then my expectations weren't very high.

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    I'm seeing it tonight! Trying to keep my expectations low, but I can't imagine it'll be that bad.

    The hobbit was actually the first fantasy book I read (assigned reading in grade 7!) and opened that world for me so I have a certain fondness for it, although the plot would probably be pretty simplistic reading it again now. So I'm a little nervous about how that will translate to the ridiculous amount of movie footage they seem to have made.
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    Well, I saw this in Hi-Res IMAX today at the Columbia AMC.

    I bought the tickets in advance and was frustrated that it took me about 15 minutes to find a parking space in the mall area, apparently the entire world took off today to shop at the Columbia Mall, and about ten times I was the SECOND vehicle in line for a particular spot someone was pulling out of. DOH!

    But not to worry: I got into the theater complex with 40 minutes to go until showtime, and I was still only the 15th person waiting to get in, and even when we all got inside, it was still pretty sparse overall -- I don't even know if 25% of the seats were filled, especially with people scattered everywhere. I suspect that all the diehard Tolkien nuts went to the midnight and morning showing, and I hit the afternoon lull, as the early evening showing had a line that was twice as long again.

    First things first:

    The trailers were pretty impressive. I did see the Star Trek prelude; some of it was kind of cliche banter based on the characters, but I still found it powerful and ominous -- especially a shot of Uhura and Kirk together, but no Spock. I have no idea what exactly is going on in this movie, but Cumberbatch is not Kahn as far as I can tell. It's visually beautiful. And I'm interested to see how it plays out.

    I also saw the trailer for Man of Steel. I have some hopes for this movie, as while Zack Synder can sometimes be a train wreck with his story, he's usually damned good with visuals... and I think this is why the movie company essentially forced him to work with Chris Nolan and David Goyer and a few other experienced character-focused writers in the industry. I'm hoping that a solid story, if handed to him, can be brought to stunning visual life... and from the trailer it seemed like that could be a possibility. I got chills watching Supes launch himself into space for the first real time... it's about time he got to be a badass instead of just a boy scout.

    The third trailer showing was "Jack the Giant Killer." Not sure what to make of it; it could be a dud, or it could be pretty good. It looked pretty, though; I'm going to keep my eye on this one.

    And finally, Oz gets an expanded trailer. Again, another movie I'm unsure about, although I think my range of expectation is now ranging from half-decent movie with a few large flaws to pretty great movie. it looks to have been cast well, I totally buy the presentation of James Franco as the Wizard, and it looks awesome in 3D -- from black and white into the tornado (which felt pretty horrific in 3D) and then into the blazing beauty of OZ. There are three witches, and I'm not sure which witch is going to be which, and which one (if any) will become the Witch that we all know by heart. It looks like there's the possibility that they'll jerk it around a few times in the movie, with the various witches lying and it being unclear who is good or bad per se.

    All in all a pretty good round of trailers. Now, as for the Hobbit:

    Let's talk about Hi-Res. I think the reviewers are just being creeps about it. It wasn't nearly as bad as these guys are making it out to be. It looked fine, I think, except for the early Smaug sequence --there, perhaps because of the lighting, it looked less like a movie and more like some kind of TV dramatization. But otherwise? I liked seeing the detail, and it didn't detract from the movie IMO.

    They definitely could have kept this to two movies, except I think Jackson badly wanted to take the opportunity to shoot any Tolkien sequences he happens to be fond of. I will describe the added historical information here in Spoiler #1:



    Jackson also, as in LotR, has made some alterations to scenes that might or might not please purists. I actually understand his reasoning for much of these alterations, I simply don't know yet how I feel about a few of them. The biggest problem with adapting something like The Hobbit is that it is a book that some people know SO well (like me) that they can actually quote bits of dialogue and know when even a single word has been dropped or changed. Most of the changes were either to (1) add some action to the plot, or more importantly, (2) try to give Bilbo some more influence in the story. These attempts ranged in success from "well-meant but badly fumbled" to "understandable, but potentially character-conflicting." I don't know if any of the alterations were actually necessary ones, although Jackson had set up a dynamic in the story where Thorin didn't want Bilbo along, and so there's a point where Bilbo has to prove to Thorin that he truly was worth bringing with him and a scene was greatly altered to accommodate that.

    I'll list a few here in Spoiler #2:



    The movie ends with them arriving at Mirkwood, and then a little bit of an interesting sequence to tie it back to Smaug, which I thought was good.

    Jackson did nail at least a few things, and I'll mention those openly because we're already aware they are in the story and the movie. One is the flashback of Smaug taking Erebor. Nicely done.

    I thought the party at Bag-End with the dwarves was pretty much par for course, even if the dwarves might be played a little too much for laughs; Fili and Kili do look satisfyingly young AND 'pretty', and Bombur is definitely fat, and they all definitely empty poor Bilbo's larder... AND they do toss all the plates around without breaking any!

    Sting glows like a blue badass when goblins/orcs are around. I don't think it glowed so prettily in LotR, but it gave me chills here, it was truly ominous and heroic.

    And... as you might have guessed... Gollum and the riddle game. Not 100% totally handled the way I had imagined, I would have handled a riddle or two differently, but it was easily the best done sequence from the book. Gollum was pitch-perfect and scary as hell, to be honest. And I actually got teary when Gollum first appears to Bilbo and speaks, it's just so perfect; I have that response when seeing something on screen that perfectly captures the source. They've got Gollum down pat.



    So for Part #2, I'm expecting (1) The Bear Facts with Beorn, (2) Adventures in Spidersitting [in Mirkwood], (3) escaping from Thranduil's hall, and there is definitely no love lost between the elf king and Thorin and Co. So that they will arrive at Erebor by movie's end, and maybe even open the secret door -- that would probably be a great ending, where Bilbo steps into the secret passage and/or steps out of it into the throne room and then sees Smaug and .... boom. End of movie #2.

    Not sure whether the attack of Dol Guldor will occur in movie 2 or 3.

    I think Thorin is a little more likeable and accessible in the movie here than in the book. he comes across as an ESTJ; the problem here is that he too much is channeling the movie Aragon's sensibilities, rather than being a less likeable, more stubborn dwarf king. I also think Bilbo is a bit flat and boring; even the "nice guy" routine, which is true to the book, is handled in such a way sometimes that he's just not interesting, at least not until he realizes his one big connection with the plight of the dwarves.

    Personally, overall, I find this the second most palatable Jackson spin on Tolkien that I've seen. My favorite is The Fellowship of the Ring; I can't really watch the second and third LotR movies, but I could watch this again.

    As far as time goes: The previews started at 2:40pm, and I was walking out after the credits finished at about 6pm.
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