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    Default December 2012: Ten Days Out

    Not a great sign in some ways, although the fanboys seem to still be excited.
    http://movies.yahoo.com/news/hobbit-...202833473.html

    Also, apparently the hyper-realism from shooting at 48fps is leaving some reviewers jaded, due to the unrealistic appearance especially on the set pieces.
    http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column...le-earth-67706

    RottenTomatoes does have it at 75% right now, with 15/20 reviewers giving it a positive.

    One of the larger problems is that we've already sat through three middle-earth movies and this is becoming old hat. Still not sure trying to squeeze three 3-hour movies out of a book that is smaller than the shortest LotR book was a wise idea.
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    Too bad he didn't do a Batman title knock-off in middle earth called "The Dark Lord Rises" instead.

    That sounds like it could be pretty cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Still not sure trying to squeeze three 3-hour movies out of a book that is smaller than the shortest LotR book was a wise idea.
    Do you know why they decided that? Besides making $$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Do you know why they decided that? Besides making $$.
    I think splitting the original book into two could be reasonably justified, depending on their pacing.

    As far as three?

    Either Jackson wanted to incorporate more story into it from other sources, which demanded more time; or the studios decided that three paydays were better than two; or a combination. That is my best knowledge.

    Apparently there's a rather long prologue cribbed from LotR, and I think they're doing the "storming of Dol Guldor" in blow-by-blow detail -- basically Sauron was rising under the name of the Necromancer over on the edge of Mirkwood, and Gandalf and Elrond and a few other people (maybe Galadriel) went to overthrow him in that interlude where Gandalf dumps the dwarves and Bilbo at the edge of Mirkwood.
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    I go out of my way not to read or reread books movies I want to see are based on if I know they are being made. If the book is too fresh in my mind, I don't enjoy the movie. I'm hoping The Hobbit is faded enough in my mind that I can enjoy the movies.

    I'm probably a casual LOTR fan but I liked the movies okay. I like that they cast a lot of the folks from LOTR for The Hobbit. I think Martin Freeman is adorable and look forward to seeing him play Bilbo. I hope they keep the lighter tone the book has instead of going all epic, though.

    Regardless, I am very excited and can't wait to see the movie.

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    I think Martin Freeman is adorable and look forward to seeing him play Bilbo.
    I think so too, at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think splitting the original book into two could be reasonably justified, depending on their pacing.

    As far as three?

    Either Jackson wanted to incorporate more story into it from other sources, which demanded more time; or the studios decided that three paydays were better than two; or a combination. That is my best knowledge.

    Apparently there's a rather long prologue cribbed from LotR, and I think they're doing the "storming of Dol Guldor" in blow-by-blow detail -- basically Sauron was rising under the name of the Necromancer over on the edge of Mirkwood, and Gandalf and Elrond and a few other people (maybe Galadriel) went to overthrow him in that interlude where Gandalf dumps the dwarves and Bilbo at the edge of Mirkwood.
    I was wondering about this myself, are they incorporating elements of the Silmarillion into these films as well?

    Someone mentioned to me that they were, but this is only idle hear-say with no facts or sources to back it up. Besides the Silmarillion is more like...a historical document mixed with a series of different stories. It's quite unusual to read, almost the entire thing is like a narration of events with little dialogue or individual perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I was wondering about this myself, are they incorporating elements of the Silmarillion into these films as well?
    I only know what I read in the mags/online over the last year, plus the stuff in the last few days. I don't yet have a clear idea of what material is being pulled in, although I think Dol Guldor thing is pretty certain, and it's covered in the Appendix histories either in LotR or Sil.

    Someone mentioned to me that they were, but this is only idle hear-say with no facts or sources to back it up. Besides the Silmarillion is more like...a historical document mixed with a series of different stories. It's quite unusual to read, almost the entire thing is like a narration of events with little dialogue or individual perspective.
    It really is a historical document, with some of the narratives fleshed out (like Beren and Luthien, or Turin Turumbar, or the whole Huor/Hurin mess, or the death of Fingon (?). Or was it Fingolfin? I always get the names mixed up after I haven't read it for awhile).

    I still have my Simarillion hardback my parents bought me in fifth grade, with the cloth hardcover and dustjacket...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I only know what I read in the mags/online over the last year, plus the stuff in the last few days. I don't yet have a clear idea of what material is being pulled in, although I think Dol Guldor thing is pretty certain, and it's covered in the Appendix histories either in LotR or Sil.
    Ah that's interesting to hear. I actually think the Dol Guldor element could be quite interesting.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I still have my Simarillion hardback my parents bought me in fifth grade, with the cloth hardcover and dustjacket...
    That's fantastic. I had to buy the mouldy paperback cover .
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    That's fantastic. I had to buy the mouldy paperback cover .
    Aww...

    Yes, I think I read The Silmarillion before I read LotR.

    [I saw The Hobbit cartoon, loved it, and read the book. Then my parents got me the LP of the cartoon -- the entire soundtrack with dialogue and effects -- for Christmas, along with the Silmarillion. And when I finally borrowed LotR from the library, they didn't have book 1 so I ended up reading them in order of 2, 3, and then 1. Ugggh.]

    I'm kind of a geek about it because I also own #1-10 or something of the edited notes put out by Christopher Tolkien (where you can track the development of Middle-Earth as Tolkien created it, with all the false starts and edited out pieecs), + Tolkien's letters to fans.

    The covers were kind of cool... his own designs looked like this:


    But I always liked these:


    This Hobbit cover is also cool and looks like it's Tolkien's style (or done in the same style):
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