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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I don't understand how everyone can so quickly forget what a monster Jaime was. No one remembers that he had a huge hand in
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    It's like to me, that scene, was more Cersei's protesting cuz dead-Joffrey was right there. Not that that's an excuse, but "rape" in those times was as common as murdering a Stark. My bigger point is that it doesn't make Jaimie a monster. Well shit, he kind of already is; he does like to defenestrate children. Keep that in mind. It's all relative. These are murdering, manipulative, lying, amoral characters here. This show does a fantastic job of making evil characters likeable. What's one half-rape added to the mix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I agree that Jaime was always an amoral character, but I think the issue with that scene is the fact that so many do see it as ambiguous in the first place, which suggests something about the perception of those people or perhaps how that scene was portrayed.

    But a lot of people like their characters to be clearly outlined in their moral codes. Jamie isn't, but it is jarring how contrasted and heavy handed those scenes make him appear.
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    (but srsly, I like that he's not so black and white anymore. You can't predict him right now, and it's awesome.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    But a lot of people like their characters to be clearly outlined in their moral codes. Jamie isn't, but it is jarring how contrasted and heavy handed those scenes make him appear.
    I actually have exactly the opposite complaint. Before, he was nuanced. I love grey characters and he's one of my favourite characters, possibly the top one, for that reason. Adding in that scene makes him cross out of grey and into irredeemable territory, and thus he becomes boring again. Not quite a Joffrey, but bad enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I actually have exactly the opposite complaint. Before, he was nuanced. I love grey characters and he's one of my favourite characters, possibly the top one, for that reason. Adding in that scene makes him cross out of grey and into irredeemable territory, and thus he becomes boring again. Not quite a Joffrey, but bad enough.
    That's what I meant by heavy handed. Like you said it just draws a line.... Then rubs it out and draws a circle round him instead that he can't step away from.

    Mind you there is the child pushing as well. Hmmm maybe my language structure wasn't very good there.... Damn and it was my only good subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    More about Jack Gleeson AKA Joffrey.
    Ah I wondered whether this would happen. I kept thinking to myself this poor guy is going to be typecast as douchey rich white guy number one, and that he would have to spend the next few years playing outlier indie roles to break it. Good move on his part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I actually have exactly the opposite complaint. Before, he was nuanced. I love grey characters and he's one of my favourite characters, possibly the top one, for that reason. Adding in that scene makes him cross out of grey and into irredeemable territory, and thus he becomes boring again. Not quite a Joffrey, but bad enough.
    yeah, exactly. I appreciated the nuance of his character being in a grey area morally before this happened, but this was a truly ham-fisted way of creating more nuance, if that's what they were going for.

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    Been thinking more about it... Maybe it was already mentioned above (I don't feel like rereading the entire thread to check), but maybe if we set aside good/bad for the moment and considered Jaime's actions in light of family/not-family:

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    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Been thinking more about it... Maybe it was already mentioned above (I don't feel like rereading the entire thread to check), but maybe if we set aside good/bad for the moment and considered Jaime's actions in light of family/not-family:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    [spoiler] This was driving me BANANAS so I had to find the quotes from the book.
    God. I don't know whether that's good writing or bad. It's a little over the top, lol, with a dallop of fan fic style drama.

    ...Then again, apparently people buy it.

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