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    Someone help me type Tywin lennisters etype please? Is he a 8, 1 or a 5w4 who is highly intergrated towards 8?

    I think we could easily type him as an tj. Could take a step forward and type him as an ntj but lets not concentrate on his mbti type for my sake.

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    @Riva
    Tywin is a clear ENTJ 8w9, probably Sp/So (possibly So/Sp, but Sp/So seems more likely). despite how he may come across, he is actually a very principled man, which is probably why you thought 1 a strong possibility, but his principles are 8-ish rather than 1-ish. you see, he has little interest in justice or fairness. his view of reality is largely amoral and his principles are mostly geared toward looking out for "his people". as if he's saying "look out for yourself and look out for your own. nothing else matters".
    he is not a 5 because he is clearly a gut type (notice the instinctual, paternal energy. 5s do not have this). his thinking is driven by pragmatism and power rather than the intellectually dominated and more timid thinking of a 5.

    his 8 tendencies are clear in the clip below including
    1) doing what needs to be done, whether or not it's "clean" or "honorable"
    2) belief that fear must be instilled in others to command respect
    3) belief that the world is an unfair, unjust place
    4) looking out for "his people"
    5) reference to predators (8s often use analogies relating to wild animals, particularly predators, which they view as similar to themselves)
    6) a keen eye for weakness. he points out Jamie's immediately
    7) a mindset of "survival above all" (which is especially true of Self Preservation 8s)
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    Tywin is a definite 8, no doubt about it. If he ever expresses interest in morals, it's because of how it makes the family look, and not for their own sake.

    He's also a massive prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Tywin is a definite 8, no doubt about it. If he ever expresses interest in morals, it's because of how it makes the family look, and not for their own sake.
    He's also a massive prick.
    he's not a prick, he just has different priorities and is willing to do what needs to be done to satisfy those priorities. he lives in a dog eat dog world of constant warfare, betrayal and unpredictable death. he is ruthless in getting what is best for his family because they are the only people he believes he can trust and the only people he believes he can afford to care about. in a world like I just described, you really cannot afford to just go around caring about everyone the way people in modern first world countries can today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    he's not a prick, he just has different priorities and is willing to do what needs to be done to satisfy those priorities. he lives in a dog eat dog world of constant warfare, betrayal and unpredictable death. he is ruthless in getting what is best for his family because they are the only people he believes he can trust and the only people he believes he can afford to care about. in a world like I just described, you really cannot afford to just go around caring about everyone the way people in modern first world countries can today.
    The thing is though, is that he doesn't care about his family as people. He's a terrible father, and his kids are all fucked up because of it. He only cares about the legacy. He values the name and the image of his family. He doesn't value the people in it. It has fuck all to do with his family being the only people he can trust... he doesn't trust them! When he says he values his family, what he values is his family's power, and his family's image (don't know if that's Ni or Si). He doesn't value the people in it, not even Jaime, the golden child.

    I'm also basing some of this on things that haven't happened yet in the show. I don't know if you've read the books, so it's possible your opinion may change.

    I have a certain respect for him because he's intelligent, like all good TJ villains. I like him as a character, as a creation, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    he's not a prick, he just has different priorities and is willing to do what needs to be done to satisfy those priorities. he lives in a dog eat dog world of constant warfare, betrayal and unpredictable death. he is ruthless in getting what is best for his family because they are the only people he believes he can trust and the only people he believes he can afford to care about. in a world like I just described, you really cannot afford to just go around caring about everyone the way people in modern first world countries can today.
    Actually, he's a fucking asshole. I don't know if you've read the books or not, so I'll just give some examples why he is in spoiler tags:


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    @unsung @msg_v2
    ...you win (though being a "massive" prick is an ironic insult, as a prick implies small )
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    @unsung Yup.


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    @msg_v2


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    Finally we get to see Sam's moment of heroism. I was worried they weren't going to include it.
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