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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    While watching, @mmhmm made the observation that this season has a lot more sex/torture than the last one in what she assumed was a way to keep interest, and I have to say I sort of agree. To me it seems they're adding a lot of fluff for no apparent reason other than there's nothing else to do.
    I'm not sure if you've read the books but um, the sex and torture are not exactly new. The books are extremely torture-heavy in particular, and the sex is definitely there too, if not always as explicit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I'm not sure if you've read the books but um, the sex and torture are not exactly new. The books are extremely torture-heavy in particular, and the sex is definitely there too, if not always as explicit.
    Yeah I've read Game of Thrones and Clash of Kings, but I guess I don't remember it being as much of a focus. Part of the problem is that I skim read over non-dialogue so I may not notice it as much. Plus, I don't remember it being as prevelant/useless in the previous season, but perhaps that's just because there was so much else going on to keep track of.

    Not that I mind. Just something I took notice of.



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    There's a lot of sex scenes in this season that are completely added. The show's creators really like what a lot of people are coming to call "sexposition," where backstory or plans or motivation are explained and also there's a naked woman hanging out. Now that Littlefinger's away from his brothel and things are gonna start getting more action heavy, I think we'll see less nudity. But, I'm sure they could find a way to sneak it in if they really wanted, most easily via Cersei or Shae.

    As for the torture, the only extra scene of torture they've added so far that I can remember is with Joffrey and the prostitutes. Otherwise that seems pretty even with the books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    As for the torture, the only extra scene of torture they've added so far that I can remember is with Joffrey and the prostitutes. Otherwise that seems pretty even with the books.
    Oh yeah, I was trying to remember if that was in the books! I didn't think I remembered it...I agree that the sex is more explicit, but it doesn't clash with the book for me, since it's plausible for them to have happened and just not described in the book. Video is of course more visual too so you can have that extra information in the context of a conversation without having to write a distracting paragraph about "btw, there are naked women in the room".

    It bothers me more when they needlessly changed scenes from the book, although there haven't been any really major ones so far at least. Just a jarring distraction every so often when a scene clashes with the book.
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    I like to assume that all shows are incredibly boring or stupid or bad in some way, mostly because I don't have a tv or cable and I want to believe that almost everything on z tv is a total waste of time. I've been watching loads of documentaries lately because I got to the point where I couldn't watch any fictional film without having a strong urge to evacuate my stomach through my mouth, but now I'd like to watch something, a series maybe that will replace hours of restlessness with mind-numbing entertainment. I'm ready, but I've watched a few minutes of one game of thrones episode and I felt cheated. How can you convince me that this show is right for me?
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    I like to assume that all shows are incredibly boring or stupid or bad in some way, mostly because I don't have a tv or cable and I want to believe that almost everything on z tv is a total waste of time. I've been watching loads of documentaries lately because I got to the point where I couldn't watch any fictional film without having a strong urge to evacuate my stomach through my mouth, but now I'd like to watch something, a series maybe that will replace hours of restlessness with mind-numbing entertainment. I'm ready, but I've watched a few minutes of one game of thrones episode and I felt cheated. How can you convince me that this show is right for me?
    There's lots of naked women in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    I like to assume that all shows are incredibly boring or stupid or bad in some way, mostly because I don't have a tv or cable and I want to believe that almost everything on z tv is a total waste of time. I've been watching loads of documentaries lately because I got to the point where I couldn't watch any fictional film without having a strong urge to evacuate my stomach through my mouth, but now I'd like to watch something, a series maybe that will replace hours of restlessness with mind-numbing entertainment. I'm ready, but I've watched a few minutes of one game of thrones episode and I felt cheated. How can you convince me that this show is right for me?
    How far did that fiction aversion apply? Could you read, say, the Wall Street Journal but a classic novel turned you off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    How far did that fiction aversion apply? Could you read, say, the Wall Street Journal but a classic novel turned you off?
    No, I can't read the WSJ straight up. I have to actually use Drudge Report, which is only slightly better. I'm reading a book right now, nonfiction, it's great, but probably because it's based on someone's perspective of real events. I read a novel recently, which was excellent but something I should've read at a different time. I've started watching Mad Men, and that seems to be fine. I didn't really give GoT a real shot, just a few minutes so maybe I should at some point, given the positive reviews. I'll have to wait until I reach a stopping point in MM first and I'm still trying to finish a couple of documentaries that I've started but haven't finished. I have no plans for the future.

    BTW, how do you like boulder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    No, I can't read the WSJ straight up. I have to actually use Drudge Report, which is only slightly better. I'm reading a book right now, nonfiction, it's great, but probably because it's based on someone's perspective of real events. I read a novel recently, which was excellent but something I should've read at a different time. I've started watching Mad Men, and that seems to be fine. I didn't really give GoT a real shot, just a few minutes so maybe I should at some point, given the positive reviews. I'll have to wait until I reach a stopping point in MM first and I'm still trying to finish a couple of documentaries that I've started but haven't finished. I have no plans for the future.

    BTW, how do you like boulder?
    I used WSJ as a random example of a periodical, and didn't really mean specifically that paper, which I should have clarified. But I take it from your reply you rarely read fiction.

    If you'd prefer something with a realistic tinge in your TV it's probable you'd enjoy the Wire. Game of Thrones has been described as mix between that and Lord of the Rings, which is likely a fair description. More real and complex than the latter, but with some fantastical elements of the former.

    As to Boulder, I should note I haven't technically lived there for a few months and need to update that. I'm more in the Denver region now. However, Boulder is an extremely nice town. It's very beautiful, not too spread out, and there's plenty of things to do. A fair number of the people there are college students, so make of that what you will. The cost of homes and apartments can be a bit steep, however.
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    Haven't watched the 5th episode, but can't give up the thread just yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Yeah I've read Game of Thrones and Clash of Kings, but I guess I don't remember it being as much of a focus. Part of the problem is that I skim read over non-dialogue so I may not notice it as much. Plus, I don't remember it being as prevelant/useless in the previous season, but perhaps that's just because there was so much else going on to keep track of.

    Not that I mind. Just something I took notice of.
    The second book was brutal compared to the first one, largely because the first one took place during a time of peace while the second one is staged in a land savaged by war.

    The books actually had more references of rape, gory bodies, and burned villages as Arya traveled the landscape before being captured, and more of the Tickler (and his pet rat, if I recall) as well. The series actually tamed down Arya's storyline IMO, although it amped up Joffrey's to make up for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    I like to assume that all shows are incredibly boring or stupid or bad in some way, mostly because I don't have a tv or cable and I want to believe that almost everything on z tv is a total waste of time. I've been watching loads of documentaries lately because I got to the point where I couldn't watch any fictional film without having a strong urge to evacuate my stomach through my mouth, but now I'd like to watch something, a series maybe that will replace hours of restlessness with mind-numbing entertainment. I'm ready, but I've watched a few minutes of one game of thrones episode and I felt cheated. How can you convince me that this show is right for me?
    The book was written in a historical-fiction style rather than as pure fantasy, and the first season did a good job of staying true to the tone of the book. It's partially why so many critics that initially dismissed the fantasy series came around by the end. The jury is still out on the second season, though.

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