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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    Cersei's Prophecy



    Yeah, I still think aside from Lyanna telling off the northern leaders towering around her, one of the best scenes was between Cersei and Unella (or whatever her name is). Karma is a bitch. The ambiguity of outcome probably made it better -- my imagination is probably worse than what they could show. Was I really rooting for Cersei there? It was a deliciously acted scene.

    as far as Margaery:
    haha you were really rooting for Cersei, I was too. I think the buildup of bad things happening to her had a blow out (literally) and now we can go back to hating her because....

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    Yeah, I'm not really sure what Cersei's gameplan after this is. What does she even have on the table? "You and me against the world," was what I think she had suggested to Jaime, but even that might break down...

    I think Dany has an obvious choice of a partner as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    Yeah, I'm not really sure what Cersei's gameplan after this is. What does she even have on the table? "You and me against the world," was what I think she had suggested to Jaime, but even that might break down...

    I think Dany has an obvious choice of a partner as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    Ah. Thanks! I forgot about Varys presence! this makes sense.
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    I do love Cersei for her complexity. She's one of few female characters who have ascended through ranks by sheer cunning ruthlessness. (As opposed to Dani, who has mystical power, which makes it so much easier to be morally upright )
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    Not exactly sure how to phrase it about Cersei at the moment. I routinely despised her for the first few seasons because of her spitefulness, but I've gotten a better grasp of her in the last two seasons and even can empathize with her.

    She's essentially a woman in a world where women don't easily have power, and even what power she etched out for herself wasn't enough to keep her in control or save her children -- the one thing society told her was her "role" and also the only people she really cared about besides Jaime.

    The last two seasons have been kind of a triumph for her because she's had so little to work with and yet somehow has managed to claw herself out from that deep hole and actually destroy those who were destroying and/or humiliating her. The end still appears inevitable at this point, she just doesn't have the resources she needs to win (and she has been very self-defeating in the past); but she's become a lot more human and accessible in the process of our seeing her hit rock-bottom.

    Based on everything that has happened at this point, I will probably feel like her story was tragic by the end of the series, versus just despising her like I despised Joffrey or Ramsay. Which is an achievement of sorts.
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    Well, that started off with a bang...
    Really enjoyed this episode. Definitely one of the top memorable episodes to date. So many game changers/shifting of the players on the board. Very interesting stuff. However, it wasn't without its minor disappointments.

    First off,

    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
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    Well... damn. That's really insightful.
    I hope this is one of those cases where the audience isn't more insightful than the showrunners and they actually do something like that.
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    Crossing my fingers but not holding my breath. I learned my lesson from the hopes I put into the Arya/Faceless Men S/L. SMDH.
    Thank goodness I didn't hold my breath on that one.

    They still played it too obvious, and didn't explore any potential layering to that plotline, like tying it in with Jon. Ah well. Teaches me to have my flights of fancy with the breadcrumbs GoT throws. I never learn!!

    Disappointed. And slightly confused about the statute of limitations in GoT land (or distinct lack of). Can the Red Woman be truly tried for it as a 'crime'? When the commander at the time sanctioned it? By Davoos' logic, it's a crime because it didn't work (I know he was going totally by emotions in that scene, not by logic, but Jon should have stepped in, Mr. Potential Chosen One/Leader). So, if it did work (i.e., Stannis was victorious), would it not be a crime? *confused* What does this mean for acts people commit, under one ruler, and if the ruler changes (as it seems so likely in this world), who is in opposition to it, should all who committed the act under the previous ruler be tried as criminals if the new ruler considers the act to be a crime? Reminds me of the High Sparrow dilemma or Dany with the Slavers (there, at least, she had the common sense to not try and crucify ALL masters/slavers, but some to serve as an example). Or the general commentary that man's whimsy is not a good foundation for setting morality guidelines. Universal for the moment is subjective over time.

    As for the episode itself...
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    ^ Yeah, it sounds like we are pretty synced up here on this. Although I think Dany has been a little soft on Tyrion; still, I must admit, I teared up and it hit a warmer spot in my heart because I want to see Tyrion have good things after all the abuse he's suffered in his life.

    Your comments about Cersei (and even Olenna pointed them out a few episodes back before she left King's Landing) are right on the money. She doesn't have a long game. Sometimes if you are losing badly, you have to play a short-game until you get out of the hole (and leave the long game until later) -- but it bites her in the ass every time because she just stops there, all she has is the short game, and to hell with the ramifications. Still, I respect that as a flaw of the character. It has been VERY consistent.

    And yeah, Jaime... I'm thinking that he migh -- yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Ah. Thanks! I forgot about Varys presence! this makes sense.
    @riva

    I do love Cersei for her complexity. She's one of few female characters who have ascended through ranks by sheer cunning ruthlessness. (As opposed to Dani, who has mystical power, which makes it so much easier to be morally upright )
    Cersei was born into one of the most powerful families in Westeros and married the king. In no way did she come up from nothing by her own skills. She started at near the top.

    Now, once in the position, she played her skills fiercely, but her choices have been often poor, demonstrating her limited wisdom and foresight. But she is a survivor and is willing to sacrifice anything to stay in the game.
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