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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    It was probably one of the best-kept, yet most unsurprising secrets in television history.

    The only reason people weren't sure and it became such a "thing" was because they actually managed to lock it down and lie about it so well, creating some real doubt in the audience.

    GRRM is known for breaking narrative expectations, but it was on the magnitude that things not happening this way would have threatened to shatter trust in the meaning of the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellflower View Post
    The constant online talk prevents there from being something new....if there is any plausible idea about something, it gets talked to death.

    You kinda have to live under a rock to not hear about everything.
    I live under THE rock. Although the PLOT in this case ran towards the expected conclusion.

    It remains to be seen if the PLOT will follow the predictable how, though.
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    Damn. That (s06e04) was one of the best episodes ever, I think.

    And their pace has really kicked up.



    ALL the storylines seemed to make significant process. It's pretty clear they are moving the story along, all the pieces are quickly coming together, and really do plan to finish this probably at the end of Season 7. it's just so unlike the pace we've experienced in the past that it feels too fast, even if it's not. And almost all of the scenes was actually pretty substantial, with decent dialogue. (The only one I didn't enjoy much was the Winterfell sequence, it felt like an abrupt and rather ignominious end, alas.)

    (No recaps of Dorne? No problems here. That storyline was terrible.)

    The whole ending was pretty effin' awesome, though. Dani is finally back to doing what she is good at. let Tyrion handle the politics. She's just an asskicker. I had forgotten about that. I loved the expression on her face... that terrible but knowing smile.
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    The Dany CGI at the end was terrible but AT LEAST her plot is FINALLY moving.

    LOVED Sansa this episode. PLEASE do not take her development away from her with more misplaced torture porn, D&D ...

    Also, based on the promo, I'm SO excited for Bran stuff next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    The Dany CGI at the end was terrible but AT LEAST her plot is FINALLY moving.

    LOVED Sansa this episode. PLEASE do not take her development away from her with more misplaced torture porn, D&D ...

    Also, based on the promo, I'm SO excited for Bran stuff next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    The Dany CGI at the end was terrible but AT LEAST her plot is FINALLY moving.

    LOVED Sansa this episode. PLEASE do not take her development away from her with more misplaced torture porn, D&D ...
    It was an episode for real reunions.


    Also, based on the promo, I'm SO excited for Bran stuff next week.
    Yeah, Bran has been interesting finally, now. That final shot of him in the promo... haha, wow! Hello!

    Rickon's still not much more than a plot device at the moment.

    And our little Robin has grown.
    But he hasn't changed much.

    It looks like King's Landing is going to be crazy next week.

    I really liked the Margaery scenes.

    And Cersei, without power now, is learning other ways to move situations to what she desires. Smartly played.

    Again, I really liked the resolution to Dani. I thought it was going to be something lame. It ended up being elegantly simple. Her entire manner with the Dothraki leaders was regal and in control; she was the Kahleesi again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellflower View Post
    It was an episode for real reunions.




    Yeah, Bran has been interesting finally, now. That final shot of him in the promo... haha, wow! Hello!

    Rickon's still not much more than a plot device at the moment.

    And our little Robin has grown.
    But he hasn't changed much.

    It looks like King's Landing is going to be crazy next week.

    I really liked the Margaery scenes.

    And Cersei, without power now, is learning other ways to move situations to what she desires. Smartly played.

    Again, I really liked the resolution to Dani. I thought it was going to be something lame. It ended up being elegantly simple. Her entire manner with the Dothraki leaders was regal and in control; she was the Kahleesi again.
    Thank the Seven Face God that the Sansa/Jon reunion was not bogged down with 3 episodes on the road (as much as I like Brienne and Pod aside).

    Tyrion - It's just a conversation. But this is where he excels and I hope Dani sees that and I know she rewards loyalty. But I wonder what Grey Worm will have to say when/if she shows up with the Dothraki army. Could be fun. But the entire last scene was so awesome (although I laughed when they called her a midget).

    The Cercei/Jamie/Olenna alliance - this has to happen, no matter how disgusting it tastes.

    Teenagers with power - Ramsey eclipses Joffrey but are all of them going to be horrible? We knew Robin was coming but there is Bran and if the trailer for next week tells us anything - it's telling us this is awesome. If Ned can hear him, you know nothing good can come of it, though, right?

    I keep thinking - who should really have the honor of dispatching Ramsey? Theon - yes. Sansa - yes. Rickon? Maybe. I hope he isn't just a placeholder until Jon/Sansa and the Wildlings arrive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Thank the Seven Face God that the Sansa/Jon reunion was not bogged down with 3 episodes on the road (as much as I like Brienne and Pod aside).
    It's one of the most obvious explications of narrative style between GRRM and the showrunners. I remember book readers (before the show) complaining about how Brienne kept doing lots of minutia... riding from town to town -- "Are the stark girls here?" -- it was like an endless litany from them. And there was a lot of time in the show spent on movement when they were following the books.

    The way the narrative has leaped forward since going off book... pretty different. They don't waste time. I thought the Osha storyline capped too quickly, but mostly it's been a nice change.

    Tyrion - It's just a conversation. But this is where he excels and I hope Dani sees that and I know she rewards loyalty. But I wonder what Grey Worm will have to say when/if she shows up with the Dothraki army. Could be fun. But the entire last scene was so awesome (although I laughed when they called her a midget).
    I think Tyrion made a lot of sense in terms of restructuring an economy. He's not an idealist, he's pragmatic and rational. you need to give change time to settle. I'm sure too he is also aware that these guys are barely warming up to the idea, and so the standard response will be to wait til near the end of the allotted time, then complain about not having enough time to make the changes. But like you said, he is just having a conversation (and buying time until Dani gets back). After all, they aren't in position to do much either -- they occupied territory without really managing any real change in the areas, and now they can't control them effectively. We've seen this before, where you can conquer a land but not manage to hold it IRL or replace it with anything better.

    The dialogue in that temple barn was pretty great.
    I love how neither side was cowed, well, until the endgame.

    The Cercei/Jamie/Olenna alliance - this has to happen, no matter how disgusting it tastes.
    For once, Cersei knew what card to play on Olenna.

    Teenagers with power - Ramsey eclipses Joffrey but are all of them going to be horrible? We knew Robin was coming but there is Bran and if the trailer for next week tells us anything - it's telling us this is awesome. If Ned can hear him, you know nothing good can come of it, though, right?
    Who knows what Bran might do, by accident? He must tread carefully.

    But it was the last shot with him and.... well, you know who... that made me laugh in a good way. I wouldn't want to stand that close.

    I keep thinking - who should really have the honor of dispatching Ramsey? Theon - yes. Sansa - yes. Rickon? Maybe. I hope he isn't just a placeholder until Jon/Sansa and the Wildlings arrive.
    Ramsay's been such a busy boy, I think his dance card is already full for the night.

    I'm not sure what they can do with Rickon. He wasn't developed as a real character before he disappeared, and with the quicker narrative pace, I fear he might end up just a plot point.
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    I've managed to catch up on this show a little over the last few days. I think right now I'm finding Jon's storyline more interesting than Tyrion. I predicted that if he comes back, he won't have the same loyalty to the Night's watch, and he won't give a damn about what Melisandre has prophesized for him. This is pretty much where he's at emotionally right now, coincidentally. I think the reunion with Jon and Sansa was my favorite scene of this whole season. I guess people probably differ with me on this, but I think Jon's really grown into a compelling character. I find something relatable about everything that's happened to him as a character.

    It's also interesting to me that the show is still working on plot points from the book that I thought they'd abandoned, like the pink letter and the kingsmoot. They're still drawing on material from the books in a lot of places, it's just in a different sequence of events.

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    Season 6 definitely is bringing some excitement that I haven't been seeing consistently like season 2 and before.

    It was during season 3, the show slowed down in its pace.

    WHOOP WHOOP

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    We can't cut Margaery's hair!

    Quick, let's make the seven god worshipers pay. Yeah. That's something interesting.

    Oh oh! So much hair rising next episode, I think it's going to be an exhilarating episode next time.
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