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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    To be fair though, did anyone else notice the vicious c*** punt Sandor gave Brienne? If not, I will show you.
    Yeah, I saw that -- he dished it back to her, and it hurt her pretty bad.


    How many times has a man been in a fight been like, "Yay!, I'm gonna win!! [and then..]"
    It was pretty cray for her -- looks like she grabbed a rock since she no longer had a weapon. She's never been a gladiator fighter before, but this was pretty much 'bar room fight / seat of your pants" fighting.

    I think Disco said that the Hound was more likely to win in such a match-up and I'd agree, more times than naught. Brienne just happened to have some decent crit rolls on her d20. I also will note that the Hound was likely suffering sepsis at this point from earlier wounds suffered, so he wasn't in top form.


    This fight was epic though. beautiful battle ground. Two Warrior Legends, The Hound, even more legendary, though Brienne will now have songs written about her I'm sure.
    Epic fight in the short term, a failure in the big scale -- they were fighting over Arya, and both lost in that regard.

    It was pretty much two parents trashing each other over the future of their child, and their kid finally flips them both the bird and says, "I can take care of myself, thank you so very much," and walks off.
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    God, Hodor is such a useless Hodoring piece of Hodor, all he's hodor for is hodoring hodor around.


















    Thank God, Bran is a Worg.









    edit: fuck, guess imgur.com is down
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, I saw that -- he dished it back to her, and it hurt her pretty bad.




    It was pretty cray for her -- looks like she grabbed a rock since she no longer had a weapon. She's never been a gladiator fighter before, but this was pretty much 'bar room fight / seat of your pants" fighting.

    I think Disco said that the Hound was more likely to win in such a match-up and I'd agree, more times than naught. Brienne just happened to have some decent crit rolls on her d20. I also will note that the Hound was likely suffering sepsis at this point from earlier wounds suffered, so he wasn't in top form.




    Epic fight in the short term, a failure in the big scale -- they were fighting over Arya, and both lost in that regard.

    It was pretty much two parents trashing each other over the future of their child, and their kid finally flips them both the bird and says, "I can take care of myself, thank you so very much," and walks off.
    Good point about the Hound being weakened. Probably a little malnourished too. He wasn't eating Hot Pie's hot pies.

    Arya, ungrateful little twat. She likes to think she's done everything on her own or something. But it's almost fact that she'd be dead without Sandor. She can't even give him that final request.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    Good point about the Hound being weakened. Probably a little malnourished too. He wasn't eating Hot Pie's hot pies.

    Arya, ungrateful little twat. She likes to think she's done everything on her own or something. But it's almost fact that she'd be dead without Sandor. She can't even give him that final request.
    Note what she did do, very consciously and provocatively.

    She took his silver, like he had taught her. It doesn't matter how nice someone is, according to the Hound; if they'll be dead by winter, there's no point in being sentimental about things, if you want to survive.

    She could have easily killed him, but maybe she didn't want to at that point?
    She certainly couldn't have saved him.
    It's up to him to live or die.

    He also was in that scrape beacuse both he and Brienne were treating her like an object to be fought over, without consideration of what she wanted. If either had stood down or listened to her, he wouldn't have been in that mess. It's rather obnoxious for him to demand she carry his blood on her hands, when it's his own fault he was laying there at the bottom of that cliff.

    Like Jesse tells Walter at the end of Breaking Bad, "If you want it... do it yourself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Note what she did do, very consciously and provocatively.

    She took his silver, like he had taught her. It doesn't matter how nice someone is, according to the Hound; if they'll be dead by winter, there's no point in being sentimental about things, if you want to survive.

    She could have easily killed him, but maybe she didn't want to at that point?
    She certainly couldn't have saved him.
    It's up to him to live or die.

    He also was in that scrape beacuse both he and Brienne were treating her like an object to be fought over, without consideration of what she wanted. If either had stood down or listened to her, he wouldn't have been in that mess. It's rather obnoxious for him to demand she carry his blood on her hands, when it's his own fault he was laying there at the bottom of that cliff.

    Like Jesse tells Walter at the end of Breaking Bad, "If you want it... do it yourself."

    I'd say it's up to him, maybe, to die. Certainly can't go anywhere with that leg. Couldn't even get up to piss probably, much less get to somewhere that can heal him.

    Don't know what he'd use to kill himself with.

    But yeah, Arya being a piece of property. I feel like Sandor would have let her go if she insisted. But not Oathkeeper.

    She didn't kill him cuz she felt he needed to think over the life he's lived.
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    @Jennifer

    I was focusing less on his seemingly false threat of raping Sansa and more on what slipped out afterwards -- "at least I would have had one good moment in my life" or whatever he said. That one sentence to me is a window on a world of isolation and hurt. I wonder how many women he's actually been with who he wasn't actually paying for the pleasure... if even that, since it sounds like he's never had sex even as part of something as awful as rape.

    I mean... his face.
    You mean this face?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    imo, he's not even dead and she let him live because she thinks he can survive.
    For the sake of the sometimes vast differences in the books and the show, this is one possible interpretation.

    I personally think she did it to let him reflect on his life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    True, it has been a valuable learning curve, but she is still too sure of herself, self-righteous, and quick to anger. She still assumes there's a right answer for the moral dilemmas she's been facing, when really it's lose-lose.

    At very least I feel she's going to be forced to make a choice between maintaining her 'righteous' status but achieving little, versus genuinely affecting change but having to get her hands dirty to do so. Both options have the potential for disaster. It doesn't help that for her "Justice" is pretty much whatever she chooses to define it as.
    You think she's quick to anger? I feel if she is angry, it's usually justified.

    I don't think it's "lose-lose" I think she's just discovering ruling is like, hard. It's more of a gray (worm) area (haha, sorry had to).

    I still think she's trying to make right decisions, but now she I think she's evolving to to the point of "what is the greatest for the greatest good?" Hard choices for sure. I don't envy her.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    Also, as a eunuch, he might be able to shed some light on Grey Worm's "Grey Worm" situation, nam sayin'?
    Goddang, I hope so. Right now, this is the biggest mystery of all.



    As far as Arya and the Hound death scene is concerned, I'm just going to forget the books (don't read 'em, but hear reveals). I felt she was so stoic and quiet during that scene because she wanted to know what he'd say, how he'd respond knowing (or thinking he knows) that he was dying.

    To me, it's a sort of confession scene, though you have to read between the lines. He admits his lifelong loneliness, but ultimately is not a bad man.

    Arya is becoming quit cold and ruthless. Like Anakin, she may be walking down the Dark Side. I do think all of her killings so far have been justified. Though this thing with making The Hound suffer is odd. He did kill the Butcher boy, which is why he was on her kill list, but I think she's forgiven him for that. If not, that's part of the reason she's letting him die slow, because c'mon, how's he getting out of this? He can't walk, the only living people within like 100 miles seems to be Brienne and Big-Dick boy.

    But then again, just as GOT surprises me with who they kill, also with who they let live. The Mountain, for one, whom I was 99.9% sure was dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    ...But then again, just as GOT surprises me with who they kill, also with who they let live. The Mountain, for one, whom I was 99.9% sure was dead.
    There's a lot of that going around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    There's a lot of that going around...

    Zyrtec?
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