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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yup, especially considering most people who lose fights seem to die on this show.
    That fight didn't happen in the books. It was smart for the show to use it to succinctly wrap up some loose ends, but if that fight had happened in the books, I think the Hound wins 7 out of 10 times.

    A well choreographed fight though. The second half of this season has done much better with the one on one fight choreography that I was bitching about earlier in this thread.

    The show is kind of on a girl power kick, so I can see why they threw that fight in there and had it play out the way it did.
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    The whole time I was thinking "please let this be a draw that ends with them having begrudging respect for each other." It was a pipe dream and I knew it at the time but I didn't want either one of them to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    The whole time I was thinking "please let this be a draw that ends with them having begrudging respect for each other." It was a pipe dream and I knew it at the time but I didn't want either one of them to die.
    Mmhm. I like the Hound, and I love Brienne. Her and Pod are awesome together!

    I refuse to believe that the Hound is dead. If the Moutain is being turned into Frankenstein's monster in the Maester's laboratory, then the Hound cannot be dead. The Mountain is Hound's kill. The Hound will die, but not before taking out the Mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Did you guys like the look on Arya's face when the Hound was talking to her there, and trying to goad her to do something for him? (and boy, he pulled out the stops, even making stuff up.)

    I couldn't read her at all. It was fascinating.
    The reason she didn't do anything is that
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    That fight didn't happen in the books. It was smart for the show to use it to succinctly wrap up some loose ends, but if that fight had happened in the books, I think the Hound wins 7 out of 10 times.
    That was more my expectation.
    And that is not knocking on Brienne at all.
    There are small things that would simply give the Hound an edge in a true free-for-all.

    It looked to me like this fight could have gone either way.
    In the end, it was decided by geography IMO.
    So it wasn't decisive.
    Another match-up could bring (easily) different results.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    The reason she didn't do anything is that
    Does it say that in the book?
    In the show they kept it ambiguous, which I liked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Mmhm. I like the Hound, and I love Brienne. Her and Pod are awesome together!

    I refuse to believe that the Hound is dead. If the Moutain is being turned into Frankenstein's monster in the Maester's laboratory, then the Hound cannot be dead. The Mountain is Hound's kill. The Hound will die, but not before taking out the Mountain.
    I hope he takes the Mountain out With Fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    The whole time I was thinking "please let this be a draw that ends with them having begrudging respect for each other." It was a pipe dream and I knew it at the time but I didn't want either one of them to die.
    Yup, same here. SO CONFLICTED.

    I'm not sure whether I wanted to see "The Brienee & Podrick Show" or "Arya & The Hound Variety Hour" more, in terms of next year's touring schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That was more my expectation.
    And that is not knocking on Brienne at all.
    There are small things that would simply give the Hound an edge in a true free-for-all.

    It looked to me like this fight could have gone either way.
    In the end, it was decided by geography IMO.
    So it wasn't decisive.
    Another match-up could bring (easily) different results.



    Does it say that in the book?
    In the show they kept it ambiguous, which I liked.
    Oh yea, that's not to take anything away from Brienne, she's probably in the top 1% of fighters in the realm. And she was able to beat (a substantially weakened and chained) Jaime, but the Hound is on another level and is a massive human. Now I would put a healthy two handed Jaime against the Hound and call it a coin flip because Jaime's faster and has better technique (and is widely regarded as one of the best swordsmen currently living), but the Hound is still one of the stoutest opponents in the realm. He took on five guys single handedly in the bar fight earlier in the season if you remember.

    In this case, the hounds size would neutralize Brienne's size advantage she holds over many men. But either way the fight was convincingly shot and I don't really have any complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    In this case, the hounds size would neutralize Brienne's size advantage she holds over many men. But either way the fight was convincingly shot and I don't really have any complaints.
    As a side note, that "Foreshadowing Season 4" vid I posted a few days ago, at the marker I noted where I thought Gwendoline Christie as really funny -- turns out it was referring to this fight!

    If you haven't watched her interview snippet, she was so excited that she could barely contain herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Did you guys like the look on Arya's face when the Hound was talking to her there, and trying to goad her to do something for him? (and boy, he pulled out the stops, even making stuff up.)

    I couldn't read her at all. It was fascinating.
    I loved their interaction. It was so poignant. The reluctant teacher and the reluctant student finally comes to a head, where the teacher becomes the student, and the student delivers the hard-learned lessons.

    Arya taking the Hound's silver coins, as he took from that poor father who wanted the Hound's protection, and the Hound "teaching" Arya, the hard-knocks of life, "Dead men don't need silver." Brilliant! Arya is great at delivering the "just desserts", like she did with the Kingsmen she killed, where she repeated to him to words he said to her friend when he killed him. In order for him to recognize who she is, and that he's at HER mercy, like he had her friend. And she gave him, what he gave her friend. Death without mercy.

    Arya walking away: (1) He is not her kill anymore, and she begrudgingly likes him, a little bit, (2) She will kill on her own terms, not because someone wants it/begging for it. Control. The Hound is finally left powerless, and Arya gains that power.

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    Yeah, I can't really see how the Hound could be dead either. If you don't see a clearly dead body it didn't happen. Even then sometimes it didn't happen (I thought Mountain was dead but apparently "they can rebuild him.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Does it say that in the book?
    In the show they kept it ambiguous, which I liked.
    Not to the best of my recollection. But the circumstances are different in the book so its kind of a mute point. It's just an educated guess of mine, but Arya grew attached to him in the time they spent together.
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