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    I actually really like long books IF there is something being said worth reading.

    For example, I love the Song of Ice and Fire books by George RR Martin. (Dear God, please let him live long enough to finish this series. <3 - Me)

    But for one of my college classes I was supposed to read Ulysses by James Joyce. I wanted to kill myself. That book could easily have stopped on page 1: Nothing to see here, Really.

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    If I remember correctly, Vladimir Nabokov named 'The Metamorphosis', 'Ulysses' and 'In Search of Lost Time' as the best books of fiction written in the 20th century.

    The Metamorphosis: 19,000 words
    Ulysses: 265,000 words
    In Search of Lost Time: 1,500,000 words

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    I'm mostly a science fiction reader. I do love nice tight 250 page novels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    If I remember correctly, Vladimir Nabokov named 'The Metamorphosis', 'Ulysses' and 'In Search of Lost Time' as the best books of fiction written in the 20th century.

    The Metamorphosis: 19,000 words
    Ulysses: 265,000 words
    In Search of Lost Time: 1,500,000 words
    Yeah, Ulysses tops many "best of" novel lists.... and I have tried three times to read it and just couldn't do it. It was even worse than Heart of Darkness was.

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    Usually novels shorter than 250-300 pages are pretty rare, even by paperback standards, I think... However, before you constrain yourself, remember that Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men has a little over 100 pages and Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea is even shorter; as a matter of fact, Hemingway famously crafted a six-word "story":

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Yeah, Ulysses tops many "best of" novel lists.... and I have tried three times to read it and just couldn't do it. It was even worse than Heart of Darkness was.
    I once saw Ulysses described as "the greatest nover ever made that no one reads".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I once saw Ulysses described as "the greatest nover ever made that no one reads".
    It is like Hitler's 'Mein Kampf': the most-selled, least-read book in German history.

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    Depends on lots of stuff.

    The genre is a biggie. Most genres tend to have a typical length.

    And while people are right when they've said, "As long as it needs to be," that's sort of misleading. A friend of mine said that when she sent in her first novel she wrote it at 300k words and they immediately told her to trim it down to 100k.

    Usually you'll see it be somewhere around 100k. 60k to 100k, if I had to guess a range.

    Page numbers are arbitrary, since part of the process is deciding on typeset, page size, etc. I defy you to find two different editions of a book that have comparable page numbers. Word count is the currency, not page numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tkae. View Post
    A friend of mine said that when she sent in her first novel she wrote it at 300k words and they immediately told her to trim it down to 100k.
    So two thirds of her novel were waste?

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    I just finished the first version of my manuscript one and a half weeks ago. It's around 200 pages in Garamond 12 (127000 words).
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