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    Default Firearms!

    I'm thinking about getting a Smith and Wesson .40 cal at some point. Such as this:


    It'd be mainly to have for home defense and the occasional recreational firing at the gun range.

    Who owns a gun(s); be it handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.? What do you have? What's your favorite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    I'm thinking about getting a Smith and Wesson .40 cal at some point.
    That's actually the exact kind of gun I have.

    This is it right here:


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    How do you like it?

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    .357 magnum revolver
    .22 cal. semi-automatic pistol with 6" barrel (for cheap target shooting)
    12 gauge shotgun for trap and skeet

    I used to go to the local pistol ranges with both my ex and my current wife. I liked the .22 because I could shoot all day for pennies, and the pistol itself is very accurate. The women both liked the .357 for the simplicity of the revolver action. They fired .38 rounds with it, which reduced the kick considerably. They both liked the "big gun" feel of the .357; and as women they got more respect from other shooters at the range when they were firing the big gun.

    Never fired a .40 cal, but it sounds like it would be a good size for general self-defense. It sounds like a good semi-auto middle ground between the .45 and the 9mm, I'm guessing.

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    Nice...

    Yes, precisely. The .40 has more stopping power with the bigger caliber round, but it's not quite overkill like a .45 would be. I may end up with a 9mm though. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    How do you like it?
    I'd recommend it. It's light. no safety. compact, but still a cannon. kickback isn't too bad and it's pretty accurate. Plus it has a good aesthetic look to it. The metal on black looks pretty good. I'd recommend it over the nine. plus everyone goes for the nine... and the like you said, it's not overkill like the .45 would be.

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    I've been thinking that this thing looks like a lot of fun, even if it's kind of a toy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_SUB-2000

    The RFB looks awesome, too.

    I really need to start shooting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juice View Post
    I'd recommend it. It's light. no safety. compact, but still a cannon. kickback isn't too bad and it's pretty accurate. Plus it has a good aesthetic look to it. The metal on black looks pretty good. I'd recommend it over the nine. plus everyone goes for the nine... and the like you said, it's not overkill like the .45 would be.
    Got it. You said there's no safety?? Is that common? I thought basically all guns that aren't outdated had safety.

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    I wanna get one of these eventually.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignite View Post
    [...] You said there's no safety?? Is that common? I thought basically all guns that aren't outdated had safety.
    I'll provide "the long explanation" on safeties. I know you're interested in a semi-automatic, but to cover the subject you really have to start by talking about safeties on revolvers...

    I think most *revolvers* come without safeties. You can buy some revolvers with safeties (I think), but most people wouldn't bother. An uncocked revolver has a trigger pull of something like 8-12 pounds across an inch of travel (a so-called "double action" pull). It takes quite a lot of effort to fire an uncocked revolver; it's not something you would normally do accidentally. It's only when you cock the revolver that it becomes hair-trigger (a "single-action" pull) and more prone to accidental discharge.

    So basically with revolvers, you consider a loaded but uncocked pistol to be "safe" for concealed-carry purposes: When it's uncocked, it's set for the heavier "double-action" pull.

    I knew a woman cop who kept a loaded but uncocked .38 revolver in her purse. She felt perfectly safe with it like that. She said that the only thing she had to watch out for was trying to grab it out of her purse in a hurry and finding that it was hooked on something. If she tried to yank it out without seeing what it was caught on, she might get an accidental discharge that way. (If the gun got caught in her purse, she would just reach into the purse and fire from inside the purse, if it came to that.)

    Again, you're not buying a revolver; you're looking at a *semi-automatic.* But the same principles apply.

    As for the semi-auto you're looking at, it's a Smith and Wesson "Sigma" model, which is so-called "Double Action Only." It functions like a revolver with a heavier "double-action" trigger pull, so that just like a revolver you won't need a safety. (That's handy for concealed carry, because safeties get hung up on clothes and holsters when drawing.)

    For more on the types of semi-autos and their safeties (and the kind of action they use), go to the following link and scroll halfway down to the section entitled "Autoloader Action Types." Yours is under "Double Action Only" (the Smith and Wesson Sigma): http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/ccw/selection.htm

    Anyway, if you want to get the Sigma, you may want to check one out at gun store to see if you're comfortable with that trigger pull. Since it's "Double Action Only," it may have a heavier trigger pull than the military M9 (if that's what you're used to).

    Incidentally, as for firing at a pistol range, I never use a safety with either a revolver or a semi-automatic. At a pistol range, you're either firing (unsafe) or you completely clear the weapon and open the cylinder (revolvers) or lock the slide back (semi-auto) if you want to put it down. Most semi-auto safeties don't even work when the slide is back.

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