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    I actually hadn't gotten a chance to watch the final episode yet. Im watching it now, and I just saw Natalie give her "opening plea". She is about as adept at articulating herself as a fucking rock.

    And listening to Andrea and Natalie converse is causing me physical pain. "I was like... just wondering... if like... I mean like you betrayed the person that I like thought was your like best friend!"

    Is it just me, or do they NEVER put intelligent girls on this show? I think in 22 seasons I can count the number of women I considered intelligent on one hand. It's like an endless parade of bimbos with nice bodies. The dynamics of this game would have been 100% different if all of the girls had a brain. But I feel like the women, consistently, are just pawns. And the game is determined by how someone else moves the pawns.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    Jesus. Natalie and Ashley have to be retarded. How could they not grab at the opportunity to vote out Rob? And Ashley gloating after Andrea was voted out.. yeah, most definitely retarded.

    And Ashley must have let Rob win the last challenge. She had all of the words. It's laughable the way these female sheep follow him.

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    What's Survivor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    Is it just me, or do they NEVER put intelligent girls on this show? I think in 22 seasons I can count the number of women I considered intelligent on one hand. It's like an endless parade of bimbos with nice bodies. The dynamics of this game would have been 100% different if all of the girls had a brain. But I feel like the women, consistently, are just pawns. And the game is determined by how someone else moves the pawns.
    My sentiments as well.

    I'm still sort of surprised the females didn't get together and vote out rob, that was idiotic of them. Ashley had immunity, TWICE, and she kept rob... *shakes head*.... I would've cut his throat the moment I had the chance.
    Even though Andrea was a bit of a rock as well, she was definitely a little more intelligent and hardworking than those two.

    Then there is Philip. Gefus... I don't know what words to use to describe the sheer.... thoughtlessness of that man.

    Rob deserved to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    Then there is Philip. Gefus... I don't know what words to use to describe the sheer.... thoughtlessness of that man.
    Playing for 2nd still gets you 100,000$.

    I truly think he never expected to win. And I think he IS smarter than he lets on.



    I had to laugh at the Reunion when Jeff was on Russel's ass about never playing again."So, should we throw away your phone number?" "You know I just don't think that... blah blah blah" "Russel. SIMPLE QUESTION. Do you, or do you not want us to throw away your phone number?" "Just keep the damn number Jeff."

    I heart Jeff Probst.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    Playing for 2nd still gets you 100,000$.

    I truly think he never expected to win. And I think he IS smarter than he lets on.
    I think he just has ego problems. He might be book smart( according to that lady), but that doesn't make him intelligent, from the way I've seen him try to articulate himself, he seems to think people should automatically embrace him as an authority figure, and demands their respect without properly earning it. This is a huge issue in a game where deception and "making nice" is key. Oddly enough, his rotten behavior is what got him to the top 3; people wanted to keep a loyal but un-liked individual by their side.
    I thought at jury, his behavioral patterns would shift; in order for him to convince them to vote for him. I expect him to tell them that "this has all been a play, I'm not actually this person--yadda yadda", instead, he told jury members to go to hell, and that its their problem they don't know who "Philip" really is. I definitely would not call that smart in such a situation. Yes he stuck by his twisted principles, but in survivor, you have to break your own principles at one point, and adapt a new persona to get ahead.

    He just does not know how to let things go.

    Just my 2 cents.

    I had to laugh at the Reunion when Jeff was on Russel's ass about never playing again."So, should we throw away your phone number?" "You know I just don't think that... blah blah blah" "Russel. SIMPLE QUESTION. Do you, or do you not want us to throw away your phone number?" "Just keep the damn number Jeff."

    I heart Jeff Probst.
    I effen love Jeff, he seems like such an instigator sometimes. Its fantastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    I think he just has ego problems. He might be book smart( according to that lady), but that doesn't make him intelligent, from the way I've seen him try to articulate himself, he seems to think people should automatically embrace him as an authority figure, and demands their respect without properly earning it. This is a huge issue in a game where deception and "making nice" is key. Oddly enough, his rotten behavior is what got him to the top 3; people wanted to keep a loyal but un-liked individual by their side.
    I thought at jury, his behavioral patterns would shift; in order for him to convince them to vote for him. I expect him to tell them that "this has all been a play, I'm not actually this person--yadda yadda", instead, he told jury members to go to hell, and that its their problem they don't know who "Philip" really is. I definitely would not call that smart in such a situation. Yes he stuck by his twisted principles, but in survivor, you have to break your own principles at one point, and adapt a new persona to get ahead.
    Making nice is NOT key if you're playing for 2nd. Being hated is key.

    Heres the situation: Either you play nice/strategic for a SMALL chance of making it to the final 3 (and if you are nice, you become a prime target for backstabs near the end) OR, you be a fucking dickhead and guarantee yourself a final 3 seat. Being nice makes it harder to get to the final 3, because no one wants to sit beside you. Being an asshole means EVERYONE wants to sit beside you.

    Being nice is key if you want a small shot at getting a million. Being an asshole is key if you want a nearly guaranteed shot at getting 100k.


    However, I recall reading that admitting that that is your strategy, or giving any indication of such is a breach in the survivor contract. That you can't claim that as your strategy, or conspire to share the million amongst multiple people because it ruins the integrity of the game. I think thats why he stuck to his schtick at final tribal. He got his 100k, he knew he wasn't winning, no reason not to keep up the act.

    I do think he's batshit crazy. I just also think he's smart.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    Making nice is NOT key if you're playing for 2nd. Being hated is key.

    Heres the situation: Either you play nice/strategic for a SMALL chance of making it to the final 3 (and if you are nice, you become a prime target for backstabs near the end) OR, you be a fucking dickhead and guarantee yourself a final 3 seat. Being nice makes it harder to get to the final 3, because no one wants to sit beside you. Being an asshole means EVERYONE wants to sit beside you.

    Being nice is key if you want a small shot at getting a million. Being an asshole is key if you want a nearly guaranteed shot at getting 100k.

    The only reason Philip made it to the top 3 was because of Rob, everyone wanted to get rid of philp at one point. Multiple times. Rob convinced everyone otherwise; there were "bigger threats". Lets admit it, a LOT of the players have not been as intelligent as Rob. They would've gotten rid of Phil right away. Even those 2 idiot girls had been gunning for Philip over Rob, even at the end( when Ashely was unaware she was next). If Philip was in the other tribe, he would've gotten voted out LONG ago for the way he behaved. A "cancer" to a tribe is usually cut off from the get go: example--> Russell-- who was deemed as "negative energy" because he was seen as a possible crushing force.


    However, I recall reading that admitting that that is your strategy, or giving any indication of such is a breach in the survivor contract. That you can't claim that as your strategy, or conspire to share the million amongst multiple people because it ruins the integrity of the game. I think thats why he stuck to his schtick at final tribal. He got his 100k, he knew he wasn't winning, no reason not to keep up the act.

    I do think he's batshit crazy. I just also think he's smart.
    I'll have to look into this, it would make a lot of sense. Also, Philip did admit his reasoning behind his behavior on camera(without the knowledge of others), he also pointed out that he was after the 100k, not the million, in which case, "sticking to his shtick" was the appropriate thing to do.

    To me, he got lucky he lasted the noob-phase of the season; bring out the crazy later in the game, instead of the get-go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    The only reason Philip made it to the top 3 was because of Rob, everyone wanted to get rid of philp at one point. Multiple times. Rob convinced everyone otherwise; there were "bigger threats". Lets admit it, a LOT of the players have not been as intelligent as Rob. They would've gotten rid of Phil right away. Even those 2 idiot girls had been gunning for Philip over Rob, even at the end( when Ashely was unaware she was next). If Philip was in the other tribe, he would've got voted out LONG ago for the way he behaved. A "cancer" to a tribe is usually cut off from the get go: example--> Russell.
    No, the dumbass girls wanted to get rid of Phillip. And as we have seen... The dumbass girls had absolutely zero strategy. If they would have taken a moment to think... They would have realized that Phillip was the best choice to take with them. Think about it... If they had flipped, and taken out Rob and anyone else... Phillip, Natalie, and Ashley as the final three? One of those girls would have been a millionaire.

    The actions of those girls don't follow rational thought processes, they don't count.



    I'll have to look into this, it would make a lot of sense. Also, Philip did admit his reasoning behind his behavior on camera(without the knowledge of others), he also pointed out that he was after the 100k, not the million, in which case, "sticking to his shtick" was the appropriate thing to do.

    To me, he got lucky he lasted the noob-phase of the season; bring out the crazy later in the game, instead of the get-go.
    He didn't admit he was going for the 100k. He said, (paraphrasing) that he wanted to be the villain so that everyone would take him to the final 3, BUT that he has a master plan to defeat Rob at the final 3, regarding what he was going to say. That BUT is the caveat... As long as he claims he has a plan.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    No, the dumbass girls wanted to get rid of Phillip. And as we have seen... The dumbass girls had absolutely zero strategy. If they would have taken a moment to think... They would have realized that Phillip was the best choice to take with them. Think about it... If they had flipped, and taken out Rob and anyone else... Phillip, Natalie, and Ashley as the final three? One of those girls would have been a millionaire.

    The actions of those girls don't follow rational thought processes, they don't count.
    Thats what I'm saying. They wanted to get rid fo phillip, because they saw him as a nuisance, instead of a strategic move. Just because they weren't following a rational though process, it does not mean their votes did not count. Most of the players are idiots, who made multiple illogical decision, but their votes still counted. If Rob didn't know how to manipulate his tribe, and protect Philip for later use, he would've been gone early on. Imo, the only reason Philp made it to the top, was because rob was smart enough to recognize an opportunity, whereas, everyone else wouldn't have.


    He didn't admit he was going for the 100k. He said, (paraphrasing) that he wanted to be the villain so that everyone would take him to the final 3, BUT that he has a master plan to defeat Rob at the final 3, regarding what he was going to say. That BUT is the caveat... As long as he claims he has a plan.
    I recall early on, after they solidified their alliance against the incoming tribe, that he admitted to going for the 100K, then afterwards, a few episodes down, he said he was working on a master plan to defeat rob. Thats what I saw, I might be wrong.

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