User Tag List

First 456

Results 51 to 58 of 58

  1. #51
    Senior Member INTPness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    2,158

    Default

    I've always thought it was much easier to "buy a championship" in the NBA than in the other leagues.

    How many years did the Yanks have the top payroll and kept getting eliminated in the playoffs? Sure, their big spending in the last 15 years has resulted in multiple championships, but you can't really "buy the championship" in baseball (or football or hockey) like you can in the NBA. In the NBA, if you can "buy" 2 or 3 really great players, you will most likely be one of the last 4 teams standing - and you have a pretty good shot of winning it all.

    -Shaq being brought to L.A. to accompany a young Kobe
    -Pau being virtually stolen to help Kobe
    -Pierce, Garnett, Allen = 2 huge free agents teaming up with Pierce to win a championship
    -Lebron/Wade/Bosh = I really don't expect this to be any different. They will have success. Especially with the signings they've made in recent days (Miller, probably Ilgauskus who is decent, etc.)

    There have been some epic flops though, namely the Kobe/Shaq/Malone/Payton experience. 4 Hall of Famers and they couldn't win it. But, Malone and Payton were no longer spring chickens.

    If you do that in the other leagues, you may win it all, but there's a good chance you still won't. In the NBA, you will at least get deep into the playoffs - that's pretty much guaranteed.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


    There are two great days in a person's life - the day we are born and the day we discover why. --William Barclay

  2. #52
    I am Sofa King!!! kendoiwan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    IsTP
    Posts
    1,334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I've always thought it was much easier to "buy a championship" in the NBA than in the other leagues.

    How many years did the Yanks have the top payroll and kept getting eliminated in the playoffs? Sure, their big spending in the last 15 years has resulted in multiple championships, but you can't really "buy the championship" in baseball (or football or hockey) like you can in the NBA. In the NBA, if you can "buy" 2 or 3 really great players, you will most likely be one of the last 4 teams standing - and you have a pretty good shot of winning it all.
    Knicks highest payroll for years running, no rings, not even close to sniffing one in fact.
    Spurs one of the leanest payrolls for years running and have 4 titles to show for it.

    -Shaq being brought to L.A. to accompany a young Kobe
    Shaq was there before Kobe was drafted, Kobe wasn't even a starter when he did come, and he left because of issues with the Magic organization.

    -Pau being virtually stolen to help Kobe
    Memphis was salary dumping.

    -Pierce, Garnett, Allen = 2 huge free agents teaming up with Pierce to win a championship
    Garnett and Allen were both acquired by trade.

    -Lebron/Wade/Bosh = I really don't expect this to be any different. They will have success. Especially with the signings they've made in recent days (Miller, probably Ilgauskus who is decent, etc.)
    This is the only example that really applies.

    There have been some epic flops though, namely the Kobe/Shaq/Malone/Payton experience. 4 Hall of Famers and they couldn't win it. But, Malone and Payton were no longer spring chickens.
    If you consider going to the finals and losing an epic flop I don't know what to say about that, seems you've drank the kool aid. Especially since Malone injured his shoulder the round before and was toughing it out because the team lacked depth behind the starting unit.
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

    "They the type of cats who pollute the whole shoreline. Have it purified. Sell it for a $1.25"

  3. #53
    ^He pronks, too! Magic Poriferan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    MBTI
    Yin
    Enneagram
    One sx/sp
    Posts
    13,905

    Default

    About the money thing... I think New York was offering more money to LeBron than anyone else, was it not?
    Go to sleep, iguana.


    _________________________________
    INTP. Type 1>6>5. sx/sp.
    Live and let live will just amount to might makes right

  4. #54
    I am Sofa King!!! kendoiwan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    IsTP
    Posts
    1,334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    About the money thing... I think New York was offering more money to LeBron than anyone else, was it not?
    Actually under the CBA the team you play for can offer you more money than any other team. The idea that he could make more in NY stems from the belief that he could make more money off the court. I personally don't buy it.
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

    "They the type of cats who pollute the whole shoreline. Have it purified. Sell it for a $1.25"

  5. #55
    Senior Member INTPness's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w4
    Posts
    2,158

    Default

    Terrific response. I've come down from my kool-aid buzz now, so I'll try to "refute" or "slap back" or whatever we're doing here:

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    Knicks highest payroll for years running, no rings, not even close to sniffing one in fact.
    Spurs one of the leanest payrolls for years running and have 4 titles to show for it.
    I wasn't necessarily talking about huge payrolls. The Knicks made stupid payroll decisions. I was looking at teams with, like I said, 2 or 3 great players. The Knicks haven't had this. And yeah, the Spurs did exactly what you said. I never said you couldn't win a title without 2 or 3 great players. All I was aiming for was that if you do have 2 or 3 great players, you will do well. I never said anything about teams that don't have 2 or 3 great players. Spurs are an example of great all-around "team" basketball.


    Shaq was there before Kobe was drafted, Kobe wasn't even a starter when he did come, and he left because of issues with the Magic organization.
    They both played their first season with the Lakers in the same year, if I'm not mistaken. All I'm saying is that the Lakers paid big bucks to bring in a superstar - and there was a lot of anticipation at the same time for what Kobe was going to become. But, the more I think about it, I'll humbly agree with you that this probably doesn't fit the category of "buying a championship". But, you do hear a lot of fans say that teams like the Yankees and Lakers are known for "buying a world championship". Isn't that the common perception of those two teams? Do you disagree with that perception? Do you think those two teams' high levels of success are for reasons other than being able to bring in great players at huge prices?


    Memphis was salary dumping.
    Right. So what does that mean? I know Gregg Popovich, everyone's favorite coach, was absolutely livid at the way the whole thing went down, as were many GM's, owners, players, and fans. Most of them thought it was more or less "stealing".


    Garnett and Allen were both acquired by trade.
    I obviously forget how those transactions went down. Free agents or trades, what I was really getting at was that when the Celts were able to bring those 2 guys on board (along with Pierce), the Big 3 brought them a title in short fashion. And I know there are a lot of smaller market teams that could not (or would not be willing to) pay the price to bring in 3 big guns like that.


    If you consider going to the finals and losing an epic flop I don't know what to say about that, seems you've drank the kool aid. Especially since Malone injured his shoulder the round before and was toughing it out because the team lacked depth behind the starting unit.
    In Los Angeles, when that team was put together, everyone was saying that if they didn't win it all, it would be a huge flop. Dr. Jerry Buss, the owner himself, has been quoted as saying that basically anything short of a World Championship in unsuccessful in his book. So, you may have thought it was a success and I may have even thought they did pretty darn good that year, but he wasn't happy.

    Either way, the point was that if you have a roster of 12 Hall of Famers (or 4), I don't really think the players on the team are thinking, "Well, we lost in the Finals, but we still did really good." A team with 1 or 2 Hall of Famers, maybe you just say, "Hey guys, good year. Good job. We'll get 'em next time." 4 HOF's - big things are expected.

    Aside from all my miscues, my point in my last post was simple: if you are able to compile a team with 2 or 3 great players, you usually do pretty well. It's harder to do that in the other leagues. That's all - nothing too outlandish about that.

    Back to the kool-aid. Good stuff.
    NTJ's are the only types that have ever made me feel emo.
    ENP's are the only types that have ever made me feel like a sensor.


    There are two great days in a person's life - the day we are born and the day we discover why. --William Barclay

  6. #56
    I am Sofa King!!! kendoiwan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    IsTP
    Posts
    1,334

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post


    I wasn't necessarily talking about huge payrolls. The Knicks made stupid payroll decisions. I was looking at teams with, like I said, 2 or 3 great players. The Knicks haven't had this. And yeah, the Spurs did exactly what you said. I never said you couldn't win a title without 2 or 3 great players. All I was aiming for was that if you do have 2 or 3 great players, you will do well. I never said anything about teams that don't have 2 or 3 great players. Spurs are an example of great all-around "team" basketball.
    I was more or less taking issue with the notion of buying a title. Obviously if you compile a good team you have a shot.



    But, you do hear a lot of fans say that teams like the Yankees and Lakers are known for "buying a world championship". Isn't that the common perception of those two teams? Do you disagree with that perception? Do you think those two teams' high levels of success are for reasons other than being able to bring in great players at huge prices?
    I'm a Yankee fan, and we do buy championships. We spend the most money for the best players. Our infield famously makes more than entire teams payrolls.


    Right. So what does that mean? I know Gregg Popovich, everyone's favorite coach, was absolutely livid at the way the whole thing went down, as were many GM's, owners, players, and fans. Most of them thought it was more or less "stealing".
    I chalk it up to sour grapes. Everyone knew Gasol was on the market, and were pissed LA got him for so cheap. I've heard rumors of Memphis getting better offers, but I'm inclined not to believe them.



    I obviously forget how those transactions went down. Free agents or trades, what I was really getting at was that when the Celts were able to bring those 2 guys on board (along with Pierce), the Big 3 brought them a title in short fashion. And I know there are a lot of smaller market teams that could not (or would not be willing to) pay the price to bring in 3 big guns like that.
    The Celtics gave up the pick that turned out to be Kevin Durant and a shitload of talent to make that happen and were over the cap to boot, is all I can say about that.



    In Los Angeles, when that team was put together, everyone was saying that if they didn't win it all, it would be a huge flop. Dr. Jerry Buss, the owner himself, has been quoted as saying that basically anything short of a World Championship in unsuccessful in his book. So, you may have thought it was a success and I may have even thought they did pretty darn good that year, but he wasn't happy.

    Either way, the point was that if you have a roster of 12 Hall of Famers (or 4), I don't really think the players on the team are thinking, "Well, we lost in the Finals, but we still did really good." A team with 1 or 2 Hall of Famers, maybe you just say, "Hey guys, good year. Good job. We'll get 'em next time." 4 HOF's - big things are expected.
    I just don't buy it. If Malone doesn't get injured, or if Kobe played better, they win.

    Aside from all my miscues, my point in my last post was simple: if you are able to compile a team with 2 or 3 great players, you usually do pretty well. It's harder to do that in the other leagues. That's all - nothing too outlandish about that.
    Again I took exception to your phrasing of "buying a championship".
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

    "They the type of cats who pollute the whole shoreline. Have it purified. Sell it for a $1.25"

  7. #57
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sx/so
    Socionics
    Will
    Posts
    5,927

    Default

    The king has finally been crowned!

  8. #58
    royal member Rasofy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/sx
    Posts
    5,933

    Default

    I'm gonna make a kick ass thread once I decide to take my talents to PersonalityCafe.

Similar Threads

  1. [Other] What is your favorite quote...
    By jck221 in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 72
    Last Post: 07-09-2014, 05:43 PM
  2. Colorful Sayings/Quotes
    By ladypinkington in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 05-10-2010, 06:28 PM
  3. Words of Wisdom, Inspiring Quotes, etc
    By rivercrow in forum The Fluff Zone
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 11-21-2008, 06:39 PM
  4. [MBTItm] Quote on Intution
    By heart in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 07-15-2007, 01:28 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO