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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I had to watch that for Film Appreciation in college...and I was like lolwut? but I suppose it demonstrates the Hollywood formula in the Sci-Fi genre
    Oh no girl you did NOT just dis BLADE RUNNER!!!

    You probably couldn't even pass a Voight-Kampff test yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Or how bad you are at Film Appreciation
    Actually my grade was so high in that class that the prof excused me from the final exam with an A.

    But I digress...I'm just not a Sci-Fi person, that's all...I'm a horror person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Actually my grade was so high in that class that the prof excused me from the exam with an A.
    Pfftt... education = Si. Big news.

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    But I digress...I'm just not a Sci-Fi person, that's all...I'm a horror person.
    I personally hate horror. Funny how I tend to find them formulaic myself. It's not that though, they either don't scare me and I wonder "what's the point?" or they do and why I wonder "what's the point?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Pfftt... education = Si. Big news.
    Calling me an SJ now? That's okay I can handle it.

    Also my ex is a film collector who trades in the underground and makes his own short films, so I had a private tutor for five years, along with my own life-long interest in film.



    I personally hate horror. Funny how I tend to find them formulaic myself. It's not that though, they either don't scare me and I wonder "what's the point?" or they do and why I wonder "what's the point?".
    Yeah I think people feel that way about any genre they don't get into...horror and mystery are my favorites (at least in terms of genre...I don't watch all "genre" films)...and I tend to be bored to death by Sci-Fi and action...if you watch most genre films closely, they all have The Formula, and Blade Runner is actually a good example which is why the prof used it in a beginning film class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Calling me an SJ now? That's okay I can handle it.
    Just hinting at a fact that you had a class for Film Appreciation. Anything thought in a class is aiming at people of all backgrounds and is anything thought in a class about such a subjective subject as art is ....subjective. Si = tradition, history.



    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Yeah I think people feel that way about any genre they don't get into...horror and mystery are my favorites (at least in terms of genre...I don't watch all "genre" films)...and I tend to be bored to death by Sci-Fi and action...if you watch most genre films closely, they all have The Formula, and Blade Runner is actually a good example which is why the prof used it in a beginning film class.
    Formula will be formulas though. Like with anything worth labelling, originality is seen in the differences not the similarities. It's not the most original movie in the whole world, but I wouldn't classify it as average or samey compared to most mainstream movies out there either.

    As for horror, I don't quite agree. Well sure, there is some truth to what you are saying but I mean...it's a bad panicky feeling. I can experience sadness as a "bad" feeling, but fear activates more primal animalistic instincts in our body. I don't find it very smart and thus not very entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Just hinting at a fact that you had a class for Film Appreciation. Anything thought in a class is aiming at people of all backgrounds and is anything thought in a class about such a subjective subject as art is ....subjective. Si = tradition, history.
    Well Hollywood films are designed to sell, and tradition and history shows that The Formula sells movies, cross genres.

    This is why some really spectacular indie films get ignored by many people, or even blackballed by critics...The Formula works, even on "smart people" and intuitives.

    You start with the formula and branch out to other types of film as you progress in studying film, of course. You get taught the formula as a base theory behind movies that are popular and timeless.





    Formula will be formulas though. Like with anything worth labelling, originality is seen in the differences not the similarities. It's not the most original movie in the whole world, but I wouldn't classify it as average or samey compared to most mainstream movies out there either.
    Well of course...that's what seperates a good film from a bad film...it doesn't change the fact that the formula works quite well at manipulating human beings psychologically.

    As for horror, I don't quite agree. Well sure, there is some truth to what you are saying but I mean...it's a bad panicky feeling. I can experience sadness as a "bad" feeling, but fear activates more primal animalistic instincts in our body. I don't find it very smart and thus not very entertaining.
    You don't think it's "smart"? A lot of horror is actually psychological or religious or atmospheric/aesthetic in nature, which is what seperates it from crap horror and torture porn.

    There's also a proven connection between fear and sexual arousal, hence people taking their dates to see horror flicks...just because you don't personally like horror doesn't make it "dumb."

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    Terms of Endearment... gah. That movie can still make me cry like no other. It's absolutely stupid, but it never fails. Probably because I can completely identify with the mother-daughter issues. YouTube - Terms of Endearment - Movie Trailer
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    There's also a proven connection between fear and sexual arousal, hence people taking their dates to see horror flicks...
    Oh, that reminds me!

    CUJO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Well Hollywood films are designed to sell, and tradition and history shows that The Formula sells movies, cross genres.

    This is why some really spectacular indie films get ignored by many people, or even blackballed by critics...The Formula works, even on "smart people" and intuitives.

    You start with the formula and branch out to other types of film as you progress in studying film, of course. You get taught the formula as a base theory behind movies that are popular and timeless.
    My point being that just because it fits what "studied" people defined as formula (I can define you a new kind of formula in which 99999% if not all films will fit too, it's not that hard) doesn't mean it's predictable as the word might imply. Why I know was not what you said per se, but I just wanted to clarify my position on that.




    Well of course...that's what seperates a good film from a bad film...it doesn't change the fact that the formula works quite well at manipulating human beings psychologically.
    Sure. There's more than one way to fry a fish though.

    You don't think it's "smart"? A lot of horror is actually psychological or religious or atmospheric/aesthetic in nature, which is what seperates it from crap horror and torture porn.
    Not in the sense that the story is actually smart. I get really disappointed at the character depth in horror movies for example. I get disappointed at the fact what moves the movie forward is often not the goal of telling a good story, but the goal of scaring the living jeebus out of you without having a crappy story.

    There's also a proven connection between fear and sexual arousal, hence people taking their dates to see horror flicks...just because you don't personally like horror doesn't make it "dumb."
    It makes it for me. Because I labelled as not smart in my opinion of course. It's dumb for me, because I consider myself relatively smart and the thrills it provokes IN IT'S ESSENCE (i'm talking about the essence of horror, the concept of horror itself, not movies that have horror in it) provokes a reaction in my more primal side of the brain, and not the more brain part.

    Btw, just because I label something smart it doesn't make it smarter either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    My point being that just because it fits what "studied" people defined as formula (I can define you a new kind of formula in which 99999% if not all films will fit too, it's not that hard) doesn't mean it's predictable as the word might imply. Why I know was not what you said per se, but I just wanted to clarify my position on that.
    Um, not really. It's like the fact that there are common archetypes and symbols in literature. There are patterns in the human mind, and it's pretty bizarre for an Ne dom to deny that. People are pretty predictable. I mean, it's why MBTI works.




    Not in the sense that the story is actually smart. I get really disappointed at the character depth in horror movies for example. I get disappointed at the fact what moves the movie forward is often not the goal of telling a good story, but the goal of scaring the living jeebus out of you without having a crappy story.

    It makes it for me. Because I labelled as not smart in my opinion of course. It's dumb for me, because I consider myself relatively smart and the thrills it provokes IN IT'S ESSENCE (i'm talking about the essence of horror, the concept of horror itself, not movies that have horror in it) provokes a reaction in my more primal side of the brain, and not the more brain part.

    Btw, just because I label something smart it doesn't make it smarter either.
    I was a literature major in college, I understand character development on a very detailed level, and what you're saying is an overgeneralization of horror. Stephen King and Edgar Allan Poe are actually considered both masters of horror and story-telling. The actual novels upon which The Exorcist and Legion are based are great works. It actually appears that you don't have a broad study of horror, which is not surprising for someone who hates it as much as you do.

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