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    I find Star Trek comforting, but not that expressive. I enjoy watching it with friends or when I'm really tired.
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    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    TNG is and will always be the best.

    But that is just my opinion.
    Deja que pasemos sin miedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aven View Post
    TNG is and will always be the best.

    But that is just my opinion.
    I don't trust its idealistic picture of the future; that looks like a kind of propaganda to me.

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    I actually like both series of Star Trek. They're very different, but they have their own strengths and weaknesses. I like the original series because of the sense of the characters being barely removed from the pioneers of space travel, and having that same spirit of exploration and innovation for the most part... respecting their own idea of what was right above all, yet still respecting those above them in rank who had demonstrated leadership.

    In Next Generation, you see a different sort of idea. The Federation is more established, there are more guidelines, expectations, and bureaucracies. Some of the individual ideas are given up to unity and a sense of stability, although you can still discern their existence under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    In Next Generation, you see a different sort of idea. The Federation is more established, there are more guidelines, expectations, and bureaucracies. Some of the individual ideas are given up to unity and a sense of stability, although you can still discern their existence under pressure.
    Plus, you've got a major 'droid crush on Data, don't ya 3PO?

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    Series:
    1. TNG
    2. DS9
    3. VOY
    4. TOS
    5. ENT "The Series of Which We Do Not Speak"


    Movies:
    1. II Wrath of Kahn
    2. VII Generations
    3. VI Undiscovered Country
    4. I Motion Picture
    5. VIII First Contact
    6. X Nemesis
    7. IX Insurrection
    8. III Search for Spock
    9. IV Voyage Home
    10. V Final Frontier

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I don't trust its idealistic picture of the future; that looks like a kind of propaganda to me.
    It's a television series, obviously it would be nice if it was actually true, and the physics of it are kinda interesting, but for me it's a matter of opinion, personally I like the Foundation series much better than ST, but they haven't made a series or movie out of the books and I hope no one ever does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    Series:
    1. TNG
    2. DS9
    3. VOY
    4. TOS
    5. ENT "The Series of Which We Do Not Speak"


    Movies:
    1. II Wrath of Kahn
    2. VII Generations
    3. VI Undiscovered Country
    4. I Motion Picture
    5. VIII First Contact
    6. X Nemesis
    7. IX Insurrection
    8. III Search for Spock
    9. IV Voyage Home
    10. V Final Frontier
    that sounds about right for me... though I put Voyage Home a bit higher since it's the first ST movie/show/anything I ever saw; I'd probably flip-flop it with Motion Picture.

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    My favorites in Star Trek:

    TV SERIES
    1. The Next Generation
    2. The Original Series
    3. Deep Space Nine
    4. Enterprise (it was probably the best of the lot during the first season, then it drastically went downhill)
    5. Voyager


    MOVIES
    1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
    2. Star Trek: First Contact
    3. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
    4. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
    5. Star Trek: Generations
    6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
    7. Star Trek: Insurrection
    8. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    9. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
    10. Star Trek: Nemesis


    For the movies, I don't subscribe to that silly even-numbered-films-are-good or odd-numbered-films-are-bad superstition. Although if you notice, the weaker ones were the ones that Industrial Light and Magic didn't work on (although they did a couple of stock shots from in Star Trek V, which were reimplemented from the previous film). And those films were weak not just in terms of special effects, but in terms of general storyline and/or movie-making quality...and they make up the four films below.

    Star Trek: Insurrection was entertaining, but it was very TV-quality in terms of both storyline and effects.

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture had great effects (for the time), a great story, and visionary concepts, but it was way too drawn out...it was mostly an unsuccessful 2001: A Space Odyssey clone.

    Star Trek V had a great idea and story, but the application was terrible and the effects (done by Associates & Ferren) were absolutely dreadful. It did, however, have some interesting themes, even though Shatner hammed it up much of the time.

    Nemesis was the one that had excellent effects (done by Digital Domain), but the movie itself was a total mess, complete with a plot that didn't even try to be inventive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aven View Post
    It's a television series, obviously it would be nice if it was actually true...
    You misunderstand me.

    I don't dislike it because I think Roddenberry and company tried to use it as a vehicle for effecting social change (which, by the way, I think they did). I dislike it because behind the storylines and special effects I can sometimes detect a hint of the didactic stridency that came through Winston Smith's video feed. I don't dislike it because it's propaganda; I dislike it because it often tastes like propaganda.

    And as has been said earlier, this was in large part (but not completely) Roddenberry's doing.

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