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    Offside also exists in hockey ... if it's missed it's missed ... doesn't affect video review.

    The KEY is to establish WHAT is reviewed, what circumstances will prompt a review.

    The difficulty of course in football (soccer) is that offside can occur anywhere on the field of play, as opposed to hockey with a defined blue line which readily defines what is on or offside, thereby effectively negating it (most of the time) from the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    The other team keeps playing.

    And how would you restart?
    However it would've happened if the ref had gotten the call right in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    Didn't your mother ever teach you "don't say 'what', say 'pardon'"?

    What I mean is that if you let video technology judge offside goals, then the linesman won't call marginal offside decisions, or even if he does the ref won't blow for offside, because they will prefer to wait in case there is a goal, to review it.

    But this will be a problem if the offside player doesn't score, but does win a corner/free kick/penalty. Then the defending team which shpuld have had a free-kick, will now have to defend free kick/corner/penatly. Which they could concede from. (unless you then go back and review the original offside, which would be a joke).
    The linesman should call the game correctly to begin with. If he is incompetent, replace him.

    This isn't rocket science.

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    PeaceBaby - so in hockey there are no calls for video to be used for offside calls?

    I have no idea I'm just asking. I know in football there are already many such calls.

    However it would've happened if the ref had gotten the call right in the first place.
    This happens all over the ptich with all kinds of decisions. It's the nature of the game, it's a game of continuity, not a game with stoppages built in. That is what makes it the most accessible sport.

    The linesman should call the game correctly to begin with. If he is incompetent, replace him.
    It won't happen if you introduce video refereeing for offside goals. The referees and linesman will not risk calling a dubious offside if they can fall back a video decision in the case of a goal. To use your own words back at ya :

    This isn't rocket science
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    This happens all over the ptich with all kinds of decisions. It's the nature of the game, it's a game of continuity, not a game with stoppages built in. That is what makes it the most accessible sport.
    We're just talking about goals here.

    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    It won't happen if you introduce video refereeing for offside goals. The referees and linesman will not risk calling a dubious offside if they can fall back a video decision in the case of a goal. To use your own words back at ya :
    They will if they are replaced by refs that do make the correct offsides calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    PeaceBaby - so in hockey there are no calls for video to be used for offside calls?
    That's right, just goals.

    Was just thinking about this ... in football (soccer) the problem is that offside applies at the moment the ball is passed, not at the moment the ball is received.

    So the officials have to have their eyes in two places at once, like this guy: ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I am looking forward to the Argentina match. If we manage to break Messis legs in the first half we have clear chances, otherwise it hopefully will be a great soccer match .
    If you do the aggressor will probably get away with a 'stern talking to' the way things have been going. The referees seem to think that if someone doesn't fall down and stay down, no foul has been committed. That's why there's so much diving in the sport IMO.

    AFP: Germans eager to tame vibrant Messi

    Now they take on Diego Maradona's Argentina in Cape Town on Saturday and according to midfielder Sami Khedira, the key will be to contain Messi, the world footballer of the year and Argentina's talisman.

    "Messi is a difficult player to play against, if not the best in the world, there is no way one player can keep him at bay for the full 90 minutes," he said after Messi helped his side to a 3-1 win over Mexico in their last 16 match.

    "It will be a team effort and we may have to put several players on him.
    I think that might be a mistake. The quality of the other forward Argentine players has been underestimated and as we saw yesterday, when several players collect around Messi he just serves as a decoy and passes to his teammates left open. The Greek tactic (assigning him his own highly focused man-marker) seemed the most effective to me. Messi did lure him away but because it was only one player it didn't make much difference, as our commentator said they just cancelled each other out of the game. I'm glad the Germans don't intend to copy though because it's no fun to watch and I'm not sure what the team could do about it if it caught on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    They will if they are replaced by refs that do make the correct offsides calls.
    This replacement does take place ... after a game that's considered poorly officiated, some of these guys aren't invited back to ref another match.

    The difficulty of offsides in soccer would be solved with either a zone (as in hockey) that defines where any player is allowed to be at the moment of entering the opposing player's "side" OR changing the call to the receipt of the ball, rather than the striking of it.

    Personally, I think soccer fans just love to argue calls anyway, so it would take away from all the fun.

    Edit: I want to use this emoticon again ...
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    I always get scared of the highly skilled/finesse teams against Germany. They're very much a "system" team/defense and are thus weak to players who have a lot of individual skill that can create something out of nothing. If you're Germany, I think you have to go into this match thinking that you're going to concede 2 goals, so they better score 3.



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    I also have the solution to world peace, if anyone is interested.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
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