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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Living like what?
    In tune with Nature.
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    Ooh! Here's another article about why there aren't more black superheroes in the movies (excluding Will Smith and Denzel Washington).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    In tune with Nature.
    Believe it or not, I felt that way too. Either way, it didn't make me sad - more just pensive, I guess. Wondering what it would be like to sense a stranger in the midst or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Hahaha, when Hitch came out, that was the biggest movie in Germany (where I was living) at the time.

    Also, Independence Day and MIB were huge with him in the lead, although there were a lot of big name supporting actors.

    I agree with him not being able to draw a crowd like that on his own, though. With the (inexplicable) exception of Hitch.
    Yeah, the one you mentioned are ones where he had white people costarring.
    The movies I mentioned were ones he seemed to be more the "lone star." The movie "Hancock," too, since I don't consider Jason Bateman an A-list actor and Charlize didn't really become prominent until Act II. None of them seemed to really do well, although they could have been better movies.

    Here's a counter-question: What's the proportion of movies written by black people (both here in the States or overseas) that feature a non-black protagonist? Is this all just basically "authors writing about what they know" or is it something else?

    The Matrix movies did wonderfully to try to have a lot of black people in the prominent cast (the Oracle, Morpheus, the head general, Niobe, Link, and others) but the races all seemed muddle together a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    In tune with Nature.
    What's stopping you from being in tune with nature? I think that if you were willing to give up modern conveniences (including sanitation, clean drinking water, a ready abundance of food, hospitals, etc) then getting in touch with nature isn't impossible. The thing is, most people want to go back when "nature" shows its strength and stops being about gentle breezes in a rainforest.

    I think that's what some of the complaints are about: that people are romanticizing this "simpler" way of life and the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yeah, the one you mentioned are ones where he had white people costarring.
    The movies I mentioned were ones he seemed to be more the "lone star." The movie "Hancock," too, since I don't consider Jason Bateman an A-list actor and Charlize didn't really become prominent until Act II. None of them seemed to really do well, although they could have been better movies.

    Here's a counter-question: What's the proportion of movies written by black people (both here in the States or overseas) that feature a non-black protagonist? Is this all just basically "authors writing about what they know" or is it something else?
    Tons of black people write with interchangeable leads - normal, everyday people. People that would be seen as neutral. Directors choose to cast these leads as white.

    Because, to be honest, if I were to write something I don't know if I would have that "black sound" that white people identify with black people. I mean, I didn't grow up in the projects so my voice doesn't count as black, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Believe it or not, I felt that way too. Either way, it didn't make me sad - more just pensive, I guess. Wondering what it would be like to sense a stranger in the midst or something like that.
    For me it was more that the world that is Pandora pretty much resonates with my own internal world. Mine looks more European, but the flashy lights, the forest being alive, the connection between all living things...spot on. It made me realize that I'd never be able to live as in tune with Earth as they did with Eywa as our society doesn't allow for that. It's focussed on exploiting the Earth, not living in harmony with it, and I am unfortunately part of that system, unable to escape the way of life that it dictates (such as sitting behind a desk 8 hours a day, fast paced life, etc) I'm aware that it aint all peachy to live in a hazardous setting like the jungle of Pandora, but you know what...it would be worth it to me, I think.

    I just felt jealous of the characters in the movie when I left and resentment towards our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    For me it was more that the world that is Pandora pretty much resonates with my own internal world. Mine looks more European, but the flashy lights, the forest being alive, the connection between all living things...spot on. It made me realize that I'd never be able to live as in tune with Earth as they did with Eywa as our society doesn't allow for that. It's focussed on exploiting the Earth, not living in harmony with it, and I am unfortunately part of that system, unable to escape the way of life that it dictates (such as sitting behind a desk 8 hours a day, fast paced life, etc) I'm aware that it aint all peachy to live in a hazardous setting like the jungle of Pandora, but you know what...it would be worth it to me, I think.

    I just felt jealous of the characters in the movie when I left and resentment towards our society.
    Yes, I understand what you're saying.

    I guess I view it as having six in one hand, half dozen in another. It's truly a matter of the grass/greener syndrome. My brother just came back from Ghana and was telling me about how emulative of the British the rich in Accra are and how even the poor seek to have as many trappings of the West as they can lay their hands on. Everyone sees the other situation as better.

    In terms of quality of life, I'm quite happy where I am as I surf the internet...I mean work in my climate controlled office. I think I'll head to Chipotle for lunch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    It made me realize that I'd never be able to live as in tune with Earth as they did with Eywa as our society doesn't allow for that. It's focussed on exploiting the Earth, not living in harmony with it, and I am unfortunately part of that system, unable to escape the way of life that it dictates (such as sitting behind a desk 8 hours a day, fast paced life, etc)
    I think you're able to escape if you really want to. It's a choice to be a part of any society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I think I'll head to Chipotle for lunch!
    Oh great, let's drive the "whitified" hispanics into things now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I think you're able to escape if you really want to. It's a choice to be a part of any society.
    You can do anything if you are willing to pay the cost.
    But often the price is more than we want to pay.

    In the end, it's best to realize it up front rather than getting lost in the angst and daydreaming without making any changes. I did that for far too many years.

    But I can identify with you, Amarg, I spend a lot of my youth wishing I could just enter a lot of the fantasy worlds I loved so dearly and being able to commune with things on a different level. The stories I read were far more real to me and meaningful than much of my drab reality, I felt more engaged and alive in them. Living here sometimes seems like having had my eyes and ears put out and my skin numbed in comparison to what I have felt sometimes envisioning myself in another place.
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