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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    MMA still triumphs over boxing any day.
    Maybe so. I'm not really arguing that. But you can't deny that knockouts are cool. Boxing or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Maybe so. I'm not really arguing that. But you can't deny that knockouts are cool. Boxing or not.
    lol Tim silvia is so bad he's known for getting knocked out in the first 10 seconds. [YOUTUBE="RpE294VL6ok"]fedor vs tim[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    lol Tim silvia is so bad he's known for getting knocked out in the first 10 seconds.
    God bless him for even fighting Fedor though.

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    I do some strength/conditioning work at my friends jujitsu gym but what I take away from it is there's such a mental strength aspect people don't realize. It takes a special mindset to be a fighter and training and ability not regarded, mastering fear and accepting it seems to be the toughest part. Translates to life as well. I've got no desire to fight (lol) but the training itself has given me such respect for all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    I do some strength/conditioning work at my friends jujitsu gym but what I take away from it is there's such a mental strength aspect people don't realize. It takes a special mindset to be a fighter and training and ability not regarded, mastering fear and accepting it seems to be the toughest part. Translates to life as well. I've got no desire to fight (lol) but the training itself has given me such respect for all of them.
    So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    No, actually I think one of the guys was called King Mo.
    Not a big fan of his...

    Runs his mouth too much...

    He's not really one of the huge guys, either...

    He fights in the 205 lbs (light heavyweight division)...

    This is one of the guys (Alistair Overeem) at the weigh-ins from that other fight I mentioned...




    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Spectator sports are pointless...
    Obviously that's not an objective fact, but you stated it as such, so I'm going to make an accurate one by saying that you're wrong.

    Spectator sports are awesome, imo. I don't expect everybody to like them, but I'd be interested in why you don't.

    Perhaps the social last has something to do with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    no one in their right mind would bet against him.
    I picked Chael Sonnen against him in the first fight.

    Would've been pretty happy with my 4:1 underdog odds heading into that 5th round.

    (don't know what woulda happened in light of his test failure, tho, if he had won.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Not necessarily. The fights aren't totally unpredictable. There's a smart way to gamble.
    I didn't even know this guy (Erick Silva, the guy on the right), but this picture made me bet on him:


    The battle is won before it's fought.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Passionate sex is imminent. Looks like a porn thumbnail.
    A violent pounding did occur, but not the type you're thinking of.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I watch it if I'm with friends, who ppv a lot of it. I used to like it more. Many fights inevitably go to the ground. Admittedly I suck at that, but I never thought it was fun anyways, and especially not fun to watch.
    You just need to see some good ground game (even if it's not your style, you would appreciate it).

    Some recent examples:

    Frank Mir vs Minotauro Nogueira 2 (last time, Mir knocked Nogueira, a legend of the sport, out; this time...):



    Alan Belcher vs Rousimar Palhares (Palhares, the Brazilian, has a bad reputation for not letting go of his leglocks, and essentially ripping apart the knees of his opponents, even when they are tapping [in other words, he's a fucking asshole]): http://fightnext.com/video/5M7Y545OX...--UFC-on-FOX-3

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I can appreciate it, but it doesn't play to my strengths. I like to move on my feet, and hopefully strike to end things quickly. I don't even consider myself strong. I have long limbs, which helps with striking power. Actual brute strength like I'd need to wrestle or fight on the ground isn't there. I never formally fought like that, but the times it happened with normal people, I almost want to immediately give up. lol.
    I'm the exact opposite.

    Any fight I've been in, I've immediately closed the distance, done a standing guillotine, or taken the guy down, and guillotined or rear-naked choked him.

    Striking is beautiful/awesome, when well-executed, but I know my strengths, and have no desire to take unnecessary shots to the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Having worked on my stand up game, wrestling, and ground game, I wouldn't say any one of them "takes the most skill".

    They just take different skills.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    ...I would say it's equally difficult to reach a certain equivalent level of mastery in either.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    It is meant for gamblers, I suppose?
    Fans, gamblers, shit-talkers.

    Tbh, I just figured I'd start a thread so I wouldn't always be harassing Rasofy about it on his wall.



    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    True or false: I have heard that MMA fighters do not take blows to the face as well as traditional boxers (traditional, meaning, the kind that only use their hands with big gloves)?
    False.

    This sounds like uninformed nonsense from an anti-MMA, pro-boxing fan.

    It's not what sport you participate in that determines your chin, it's your individual characteristics.

    There are plenty of MMA fighters who have granite chins, just as strong as, if not stronger than, most boxers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    This always bothered me a little because it seems like you could just put a pro boxer in there and they'd knock the hell out of people before they even got the chance to do those other things.
    I remember wondering the same thing when I was 10 years old and first heard about the UFC...

    Then I watched UFC 1, and watched the boxer get taken down and quickly submitted, and realized it was all just a myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    lol....I think this was the last time a pro boxer tried to fight an MMA fighter who was lighter than him. The results speak for itself. http://www.boobootv.com/2010/08/30/r...ey-full-fight/
    If you watch the video, you'll actually hear Joe Rogan (a highly skilled martial artist himself) say, "And, just like we learned in UFC 1..."

    The truth is, western-style boxing can be a very effective style, but one must also know how to defend the takedown; if they can't, then they're almost guaranteed to get their ass kicked. Chuck Lidell, that dude with the goofy mohawk, was famous for this, as is current Heavyweight Champion, Junior Dos Santos. Wrestlers couldn't/can't take them down, nor could they strike with them on their feet. But they've got to be able to stuff the takedown (and/or have good grappling if the fight does go to the ground).

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia though (but also lost against Kimbo before that). I think it's just going to boil down to individuals and pre-fight training. Plus, I don't think a lot of the badass boxers see the money in it yet. Ray Mercer was over the hill by the time he went in mma.
    Tim Sylvia had been booted out of the UFC by that point, and was a fat, out-of-shape slob. Don't get me wrong, Ray Mercer is a beast standing up, but the same thing that happened to James Toney would happen to him if he stepped into the UFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Not a big fan of his...

    Runs his mouth too much...

    He's not really one of the huge guys, either...

    He fights in the 205 lbs (light heavyweight division)...

    This is one of the guys (Alistair Overeem) at the weigh-ins from that other fight I mentioned...



    I'm pretty sure King Mo got busted for failing a 'roids test, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I remember wondering the same thing when I was 10 years old and first heard about the UFC...

    Then I watched UFC 1, and watched the boxer get taken down and quickly submitted, and realized it was all just a myth.
    I mean, I wouldn't know because I have next to no technical knowledge of the various fighting styles that go into MMA. It just seemed to me, as a lay person observing, that when the MMA dudes did actually box (and not "take it to the ground," as it were, or kickbox), their skills seemed a little...off. It didn't appear that they defended themselves very well, their accuracy was way off (wild swinging a lot of the time, which they could get away with because their opponent was not usually good enough to punish them for their whiffs), and they didn't move good (like, not moving laterally at all, or moving into the direction of their opponent's strongest punch.)

    I guess they must make up for it with other skills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I'm pretty sure King Mo got busted for failing a 'roids test, too.



    I mean, I wouldn't know because I have next to no technical knowledge of the various fighting styles that go into MMA. It just seemed to me, as a lay person observing, that when the MMA dudes did actually box (and not "take it to the ground," as it were, or kickbox), their skills seemed a little...off. It didn't appear that they defended themselves very well, their accuracy was way off (wild swinging a lot of the time, which they could get away with because their opponent was not usually good enough to punish them for their whiffs), and they didn't move good (like, not moving laterally at all, or moving into the direction of their opponent's strongest punch.)

    I guess they must make up for it with other skills?
    The boxing is a different style because the fighters have to be very cautious about getting into the clinch or being taken down or getting a kick to the head etc so it may look sloppy compared to pro boxers. I would rather compare MMA stand up to K-1 kickboxing than boxing since it's more closer to kickboxing than it is to strict boxing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I'm pretty sure King Mo got busted for failing a 'roids test, too.
    Sure did.

    You know, you kind of know your stuff.

    Do you follow the sport to some degree?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I mean, I wouldn't know because I have next to no technical knowledge of the various fighting styles that go into MMA. It just seemed to me, as a lay person observing, that when the MMA dudes did actually box (and not "take it to the ground," as it were, or kickbox), their skills seemed a little...off. It didn't appear that they defended themselves very well, their accuracy was way off (wild swinging a lot of the time), and they didn't move good (like, not moving laterally at all, or moving into the direction of their opponent's strongest punch.)

    I guess they must make up for it with other skills?
    Well, there's a number of things going on here:

    1. Stand-up skill varies greatly from one fighter to the next, so you may have just been watching some guys with crappy stand-up.

    2. The best fighters are almost all in the UFC, and, seeing as how you've mentioned King Mo, you probably watched him in Strikeforce, which is a vastly inferior promotion. The fighters just aren't as skilled there, so you might've been watching some crappy stand-up.

    3. In boxing, you don't have to worry about the takedown, kicks, knees, elbows, or the ground game. As such, you have a lot less threats to be concerned with, and can focus on just a few techniques your opponent might use. In MMA, you've got all those other threats to worry about, so it changes the way the stand-up game is executed.

    If you want to see some damn good striking in MMA, I recommend checking out Anderson Silva, Junior Dos Santos, or Nick Diaz.

    Silva is widely considered the best striker in MMA (combining Tae Kwon Do, Capoeira, Boxing, Muay Thai, and more), trains with legendary boxing coach Freddy Roach (who has called him the best striker in MMA), and has several professional boxing matches under his belt:



    Dos Santos, the current Heavyweight Champion, is considering boxing in the 2014 Olympics (his head trainer is the Brazilian Olympic boxing coach), and some believe he could be the Heavyweight Champion in Boxing as well as MMA:



    Nick Diaz is a crazy motherfucker (guaranteed counterphobic ennegram 6) with a really unorthodox boxing style who has considered going into boxing; Freddy Roach has also called him one of the best strikers in MMA, and thinks he could be successful in boxing as well:


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    Apparently some of the NTs are just as much if not more into the sport than some of us SPs here.

    NTs are the new Artisans and SPs are the new Rationalists because we SPs are not as into sports.

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