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    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post
    Well of coarse! I was in love with them when they first came out.
    I actually like brandon uries voice. It intrigues me so. :swoon:
    I feel they have a nice beat I can actually move to.
    Yes, I love the energy of the first album, the beat is great!

    I don't know if he's had vocal training, but when he does certain things with his voice it can be so sweet or so intense or both. Sometimes I can close my eyes and I feel it right through my

    /embarrassing emo confession

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    link some song that you think has musical talent and originality in it, id like to hear it
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    link some song that you think has musical talent and originality in it, id like to hear it
    You can no longer hear most of their entire albums on You Tube, because of the record companies. Their My Space profile also only contains hits.

    Why don't you go out of your way to listen to the entire albums cohesively as a whole if you're so intrigued? That's the only way to appreciate them, I think. I listed some individual songs on this thread already that I think are good.

    I listen to A Fever You Can't Sweat Out the same way I would listen to Interpol's Turn on the Bright Lights or Tori Amos' Under the Pink. I'm also a Nick Cave, PJ Harvey, Bjork, White Stripes, Tool, and Mars Volta fan, so why don't you stop making yourself look like such an ignorant judgemental jerk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    link some song that you think has musical talent and originality in it, id like to hear it
    lol let me guess, you listen to Dream Theater?

    A lot of INTPs have this bone-stupid pretentious "IT'S NOT GOOD UNLESS I SAY SO" attitude about music and it's retarded.

    Hint for INTP musicians: Nobody gives a fuck how many notes you can cram into that measure. Being able to play every Danny Carey part does not make you a good drummer; being able to play a part that's tasteful and appropriate to the feel of the song does. People want to hear cohesive songs that produce an emotional response. You don't make "good music" by going so far outside the box that you reinvent every single piece of the entire thing--nobody wants to hear your 22-minute prog epic!

    You make good music by taking the same established pieces and rearranging them into a new combination that people find compelling. Panic at the Disco (they dropped the exclamation point from their name) is doing this exceptionally well, especially for their young age.

    I know, I know--they'll revoke your musical elitist license if you admit that any "pop" band is good, but trust me...if you think pop music is inherently bad/automatically unoriginal/stupid because it sells a lot of records and a lot of people like it, you don't know the first thing about making music.

    It's not about you; it's about the audience. Try and consider that for a bit before you mouth off about how any band that doesn't play harmonized 64th note Mixolydian dueling solos over alternating time signatures and show off their chops at every possible opportunity is "totally unoriginal!" Chances are you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and that your playing stinks of tasteless wankery.

    If pop music is so easy and requires so little creativity, why aren't you a pop star yet?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Panic at the Disco (they dropped the exclamation point from their name)
    They dropped it then added it back. Panic! At The Disco Premiere Demo, Bring Back The Exclamation Point

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    You can no longer hear most of their entire albums on You Tube, because of the record companies. Their My Space profile also only contains hits.

    Why don't you go out of your way to listen to the entire albums cohesively as a whole if you're so intrigued? That's the only way to appreciate them, I think. I listed some individual songs on this thread already that I think are good.

    I listen to A Fever You Can't Sweat Out the same way I would listen to Interpol's Turn on the Bright Lights or Tori Amos' Under the Pink. I'm also a Nick Cave, PJ Harvey, Bjork, White Stripes, Tool, and Mars Volta fan, so why don't you stop making yourself look like such an ignorant judgemental jerk?
    i found atleast the first record full from youtube, record companies havent removed what people uploaded from european server. I listened few songs and still think the same, its all the same as other pop rock bands like this. Hits ongs were much worse than what i listened from youtube, but still pretty much the same. all songs sound like straight copies of other pop rock bands with little own thing added. imo adding small own things like this to something that people have done too much allready isnt original music.

    is that A Fever You Can't Sweat Out some collection of theyr songs? i listened to it and it sounded like totally different songs put together badly(if it was supposed to be one song).

    what comes to those other bands/artists, they got nothing to do with this imo. i bet your just looking for different things from music than me and thats why panic at the disco is enough for you. personally i need it all perfect, or atleast near perfect. pj harvey is great, those others i dont really like, but im not saying theyr not talented.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    lol let me guess, you listen to Dream Theater?

    A lot of INTPs have this bone-stupid pretentious "IT'S NOT GOOD UNLESS I SAY SO" attitude about music and it's retarded.

    Hint for INTP musicians: Nobody gives a fuck how many notes you can cram into that measure. Being able to play every Danny Carey part does not make you a good drummer; being able to play a part that's tasteful and appropriate to the feel of the song does. People want to hear cohesive songs that produce an emotional response. You don't make "good music" by going so far outside the box that you reinvent every single piece of the entire thing--nobody wants to hear your 22-minute prog epic!

    You make good music by taking the same established pieces and rearranging them into a new combination that people find compelling. Panic at the Disco (they dropped the exclamation point from their name) is doing this exceptionally well, especially for their young age.

    I know, I know--they'll revoke your musical elitist license if you admit that any "pop" band is good, but trust me...if you think pop music is inherently bad/automatically unoriginal/stupid because it sells a lot of records and a lot of people like it, you don't know the first thing about making music.

    It's not about you; it's about the audience. Try and consider that for a bit before you mouth off about how any band that doesn't play harmonized 64th note Mixolydian dueling solos over alternating time signatures and show off their chops at every possible opportunity is "totally unoriginal!" Chances are you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and that your playing stinks of tasteless wankery.

    If pop music is so easy and requires so little creativity, why aren't you a pop star yet?
    nah i dont listen to dream teather, theyr talented, but i just dont like theyr music.

    im not just into play meny notes thats hard to play together and do it fast music. theres so much more in music than just that. its as much how you play it than what you play when it comes to talented musicians. when your talented you dont have to play hardest stuff that you possibly can, you can play simple song, but the how you play it(right vibrato, how you change to next note, with other instruments in the band etc.) shows the talent. what people do in studio doesent show much of a talent, you need to be able to really play the music and that means you need to be able to play it live and play it as well live as you do it in studio. live jamming/soloing is great thing to show musical talent, because you need to be able to go with the music totally different than with writing music on paper for hours and then finishing it for days. musical talent is really much about being able to do your own thing well allso, because good musical imagination is what good artist needs.

    what comes to original music, its not original if you do what others do and add something own in it. you can do something way out of the box, that doesent mean that you will be good, thats just originality, and originality doesent mean enything unless you do it good. allso when people make music that others have done before them and basicly copying theyr sound(even if they add something own in them) it sounds hollow since they dont have the creative understanding to the music that they make(that comes thru musical imagination), in other words its missing the soul of the music. im not saying music needs to be 100% original, but it needs to come from your own imagination and if your imagination only contains something that you have heard with little added to it, thats a poor imagination.

    i never told all pop music is bad, but i do think most of it is, because bad music sells if they offer some feeling that some kid wants. funny thing about pop music is that really often the artist doesent even write or mix his/hers own music, this creates kind of a boundarie inside the music and makes it sound soulless(since the artist doesent have the real musical understanding on what hes singing or playing, so hes basicly just copying the song writer) even more and even if it was original at the beginning, this soulless sound is mastered in studios and the guy whos mastering it tries to add something in it and tries to make it sound good for cheap speakers/earphones and the resault sounds like plastic carbage bag. but thats no problem because britney spears etc sells enyway, but it doesent sell because its what real musicians would call a good music, it sells because this is what most people(and most people got no idea about music) like.

    im not saying that pop music reguires no talent, it reguires talent on small aspects of music and much talent in knowing what people want at the moment, not to mention that you need to get your music to people so that they know to buy your music. i cant sing and i dont look like britney spears, thats why im no pop star

    britney spears might be desently good singer, but her voice is mastered so much in studio(by removing small "dirt"(or what ever its called) from her voice) that it just makes it sound plastic and doesent sound good enymore. or who knows if she can really even sing, you can master enyones voice in studio to sound good

    i dont mind people listening to soulless music, but if people cant see that the music they say is the best band in the world is missing the soul, they dont know what music is about, therefore they got nothing to say when it comes to real music.

    i think i might have missed some essential info out, but i think we can continue from here pretty well too

    and im not debating to piss you off and i hope that you wont get pissed off from my opinions
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i found atleast the first record full from youtube, record companies havent removed what people uploaded from european server. I listened few songs and still think the same, its all the same as other pop rock bands like this. Hits ongs were much worse than what i listened from youtube, but still pretty much the same. all songs sound like straight copies of other pop rock bands with little own thing added. imo adding small own things like this to something that people have done too much allready isnt original music.

    is that A Fever You Can't Sweat Out some collection of theyr songs? i listened to it and it sounded like totally different songs put together badly(if it was supposed to be one song).

    what comes to those other bands/artists, they got nothing to do with this imo. i bet your just looking for different things from music than me and thats why panic at the disco is enough for you. personally i need it all perfect, or atleast near perfect. pj harvey is great, those others i dont really like, but im not saying theyr not talented.



    nah i dont listen to dream teather, theyr talented, but i just dont like theyr music.

    im not just into play meny notes thats hard to play together and do it fast music. theres so much more in music than just that. its as much how you play it than what you play when it comes to talented musicians. when your talented you dont have to play hardest stuff that you possibly can, you can play simple song, but the how you play it(right vibrato, how you change to next note, with other instruments in the band etc.) shows the talent. what people do in studio doesent show much of a talent, you need to be able to really play the music and that means you need to be able to play it live and play it as well live as you do it in studio. live jamming/soloing is great thing to show musical talent, because you need to be able to go with the music totally different than with writing music on paper for hours and then finishing it for days. musical talent is really much about being able to do your own thing well allso, because good musical imagination is what good artist needs.

    what comes to original music, its not original if you do what others do and add something own in it. you can do something way out of the box, that doesent mean that you will be good, thats just originality, and originality doesent mean enything unless you do it good. allso when people make music that others have done before them and basicly copying theyr sound(even if they add something own in them) it sounds hollow since they dont have the creative understanding to the music that they make(that comes thru musical imagination), in other words its missing the soul of the music. im not saying music needs to be 100% original, but it needs to come from your own imagination and if your imagination only contains something that you have heard with little added to it, thats a poor imagination.

    i never told all pop music is bad, but i do think most of it is, because bad music sells if they offer some feeling that some kid wants. funny thing about pop music is that really often the artist doesent even write or mix his/hers own music, this creates kind of a boundarie inside the music and makes it sound soulless(since the artist doesent have the real musical understanding on what hes singing or playing, so hes basicly just copying the song writer) even more and even if it was original at the beginning, this soulless sound is mastered in studios and the guy whos mastering it tries to add something in it and tries to make it sound good for cheap speakers/earphones and the resault sounds like plastic carbage bag. but thats no problem because britney spears etc sells enyway, but it doesent sell because its what real musicians would call a good music, it sells because this is what most people(and most people got no idea about music) like.

    im not saying that pop music reguires no talent, it reguires talent on small aspects of music and much talent in knowing what people want at the moment, not to mention that you need to get your music to people so that they know to buy your music. i cant sing and i dont look like britney spears, thats why im no pop star

    britney spears might be desently good singer, but her voice is mastered so much in studio(by removing small "dirt"(or what ever its called) from her voice) that it just makes it sound plastic and doesent sound good enymore. or who knows if she can really even sing, you can master enyones voice in studio to sound good

    i dont mind people listening to soulless music, but if people cant see that the music they say is the best band in the world is missing the soul, they dont know what music is about, therefore they got nothing to say when it comes to real music.

    i think i might have missed some essential info out, but i think we can continue from here pretty well too

    and im not debating to piss you off and i hope that you wont get pissed off from my opinions

    How does something being "perfect" give it a soul? Soul is an emotional quality, not a technical one. I know what music is about - while I'm not a musician in any sort of professional sense, I have sang my entire life, play the piano a little, and music means a great deal to me. The music that I listen to spans decades and centuries and cross-genres. I don't think you've even heard of some of the musicians I've listed besides Panic! at the Disco, because I can't imagine anyone calling Nick Cave or Tori Amos "soulless." Also, no one mentioned Britney Spears. I find it to be a poor analogy in this case, though it does classify as pop music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    How does something being "perfect" give it a soul? Soul is an emotional quality, not a technical one. I know what music is about - while I'm not a musician in any sort of professional sense, I have sang my entire life, play the piano a little, and music means a great deal to me. The music that I listen to spans decades and centuries and cross-genres. I don't think you've even heard of some of the musicians I've listed besides Panic! at the Disco, because I can't imagine anyone calling Nick Cave or Tori Amos "soulless." Also, no one mentioned Britney Spears. I find it to be a poor analogy in this case, though it does classify as pop music.
    firstly: "what comes to those other bands/artists, they got nothing to do with this imo. i bet your just looking for different things from music than me and thats why panic at the disco is enough for you. personally i need it all perfect, or atleast near perfect. pj harvey is great, those others i dont really like, but im not saying theyr not talented.". I didnt call them soulless, i was discussing about music generally. and i have heard pretty much others you listed but mars volta only little and nothing from interpol, im not discussing about those here.

    i didnt say music being perfect gives it a soul. soul to the music comes from imagination and if you dont do your own thing your not using musical imagination at its fullest, therefore music will be missing its soul, or atleast really big part of it. perfectly played music comes from understanding your music and being able to play it perfectly

    my respond to simulatedworld has nothing to do with what you posted really.
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    I like them. They're just a couple of kids that got lucky, but they really do enjoy doing what they do. They're clearly still young and trying to figure out where they want to go in their musical lives - they became too famous too quickly. I actually really enjoy Brendon Urie's voice. I feel that the lyrics on the first album were better than the second, simply because Ryan Ross put more of himself in the first album than the second. The second didn't seem as personal, though the music certainly improved tons.

    Ryan Ross and Jon Walker left the band though, to start an indie/alt rock band called the Young Veins. Spencer and Urie are still going with the name, and are returning to more of the "pop" sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    firstly: "what comes to those other bands/artists, they got nothing to do with this imo. i bet your just looking for different things from music than me and thats why panic at the disco is enough for you. personally i need it all perfect, or atleast near perfect. pj harvey is great, those others i dont really like, but im not saying theyr not talented.". I didnt call them soulless, i was discussing about music generally. and i have heard pretty much others you listed but mars volta only little and nothing from interpol, im not discussing about those here.

    i didnt say music being perfect gives it a soul. soul to the music comes from imagination and if you dont do your own thing your not using musical imagination at its fullest, therefore music will be missing its soul, or atleast really big part of it. perfectly played music comes from understanding your music and being able to play it perfectly

    my respond to simulatedworld has nothing to do with what you posted really.
    I took issue with this statement:

    but if people cant see that the music they say is the best band in the world is missing the soul, they dont know what music is about, therefore they got nothing to say when it comes to real music.
    because you began responding to this thread by laughing at me and claiming that I needed to listen to "real" music, because otherwise in your mind I wouldn't like Panic! at the Disco.

    The only way you could possibly be MOAR pretentious is if you were Jack Black's character in High Fidelity.

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