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Why do artists enjoy zombie movies so much?

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As far as I'm concerned, an ideal artist enjoys variety. So why do they enjoy zombie movies? They are literally all the same.

I mean, James Bond movies have a lot more variety -- they revolve around the same formula, but each movie has various ways of mixing the formula. Zombie movies have the same way of telling the same story with the same formula.

Maybe the true artist is one who enjoys mainstream film?
 

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I've always wondered how anyone decides just what constitutes an artist/good art/etc. and what doesn't. It all seems rather subjective to me.
 

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I've always wondered how anyone decides just what constitutes an artist/good art/etc. and what doesn't. It all seems rather subjective to me.

I wholeheartedly agree, actually. Now if I can only convince everyone that high culture is only the expression of insecure snobbery.

People seem to favor either low-culture (exploitation or porn flicks) or high-culture media (boring Oscar movies) but are intensely critical of mainstream media. I think all it has to do with is money.

But the differences in terms of mainstream cinema and "high-cultured" media such as stage, dance, and sculpture are superficial and subtle, and therefore unimportant.

I am personally not above enjoying Bay/Bruckheimer summer blockbusters (Transformers is the best movie of the year, thus far).

These "hidden messages" in the so-called higher art films are really little more than advertising.

And I must say that product placement in mainstream cinema is often quite clever.

If culture is more about appreciating the beauty of the performance, then what makes elaborate f/x sequences in blockbusters any less of beautiful performance?
 

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Maybe it stems from people wanting to appear to be different/better than others by talking down on mainstream media and playing up their appreciation for other films. In reality, mainstream media wouldn't be mainstream if most people didn't like it.
 

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what's wrong with zombie movies?!? :shock: zombie movies are hillarious! as someone who is always hoping to see bodily harm inflicted on people in movies I'd think that there would be some more appreciation of a genre in which people get torn to bits and eaten!
 

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As far as I'm concerned, an ideal artist enjoys variety. So why do they enjoy zombie movies? They are literally all the same.

I mean, James Bond movies have a lot more variety -- they revolve around the same formula, but each movie has various ways of mixing the formula. Zombie movies have the same way of telling the same story with the same formula.

Maybe the true artist is one who enjoys mainstream film?

I know what you mean. I don't like zombie movies because they're so predictable. The first few I watched were interesting/scary, but subsequent ones got old rather quickly.

So why don't we just say that artists who watch/write zombie movies aren't ideal artists, or are boring/unimaginative artists?
 

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Zombies play into post-holocaust fantasies very popular in this day and age. End of civilization as we know it, all normal rules rendered meaningless, freedom to loot, survivalism, weapons, and doing as much harm as you please to ordinary people with a clear conscience. No more wondering which college major suits you, no more thinking about how much you hate your job and what you can do about it, no more mortgage concerns. All of your priorities have been reduced to those of simple survival. Moral ambiguities have disappeared. Your cause is clear. Your enemy is clear. In fact, all ambiguities have passed. You don't find anything attractive in that idea? Sure, a lot of zombie movies are repetitive, but it's a killer genre.
 
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I agree that zombie movies seem to have gathered a large base of hardcore fans for a genre that is basically the same every time out. However, I do think a little bit of originality and a fresh take on an old tired formula can make for a good movie. For instance, I really enjoyed the remake of Dawn Of The Dead.
 

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I agree that zombie movies seem to have gathered a large base of hardcore fans for a genre that is basically the same every time out. However, I do think a little bit of originality and a fresh take on an old tired formula can make for a good movie. For instance, I really enjoyed the remake of Dawn Of The Dead.

Dawn of the Dead was okay because of the Richard Cheese soundtrack.

30 Days of Night, a zombified vampire movie, was pretty dreadful, on the other hand.

I have to say though, that when it comes to zombie media, the game Half-Life is the exception. It's in intelligent game because it dares to use a physics term for its title.
 

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I think one of the things that I ( an artist ) enjoy about zombie movies is watching the pampered "gated communities" get breached. Not sure how that constitutes being "elitist". :)
 

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I don't enjoy them, in fact I hate them, and yes I am an artist.
 

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I hope you don't exclusively like the "high-culture" stuff either, because that's just snobbery.

No, but I am particular about the art I like, when I see something I like I just do.

No I did not like Picasso, yes he was revolutionary, cubism and all that, I give him that credit, but no, I don't like his paintings.

The closest I have gotten to liking the greats is probably Dali, and not all of them, but I like surrealism, Kahlo I found interesting as a person, all of her paintings don't resound in me except for a few, Rivera was more to my liking.

My favorite painting to date was a painting I found in a Boulder Hospital lobby, actually, they were a series of three paintings, and I could not read the signature so it will forever be lost to memory.

I LOVE street art, some of it is just awesome, and I also like simplistic art, however, that is to say, I probably would not buy any piece of art unless I REALLY loved it, and that I guess is hard to do, blame my J side.
 

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As far as I'm concerned, an ideal artist enjoys variety. So why do they enjoy zombie movies? They are literally all the same.

Wrong. I loathe zombie movies. Because if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all! Plus, watching dead people shamble around and groan isn't really interesting.
 

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Wrong. I loathe zombie movies. Because if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all! Plus, watching dead people shamble around and groan isn't really interesting.

I guess I've just been on MySpace too long, where everyone is considered an "artist." (But in reality, they're just scene kids who want attention.)

But on the other hand, I do make exceptions -- Serenity is kind of a zombie movie.
 

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Somewhat offtopic, but *shrugs*.

My top 3 zombie-type movies:

1. 28 days later
2. Dawn of the Dead (the remake, great Johnny C song in there incidentally)
3. Resident Evil (Milla, mmmm)
 

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I guess I've just been on MySpace too long, where everyone is considered an "artist." (But in reality, they're just scene kids who want attention.)

But on the other hand, I do make exceptions -- Serenity is kind of a zombie movie.

I really don't think MySpace counts for anything towards truth. ;)
 

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I wholeheartedly agree, actually. Now if I can only convince everyone that high culture is only the expression of insecure snobbery.

People seem to favor either low-culture (exploitation or porn flicks) or high-culture media (boring Oscar movies) but are intensely critical of mainstream media. I think all it has to do with is money.

But the differences in terms of mainstream cinema and "high-cultured" media such as stage, dance, and sculpture are superficial and subtle, and therefore unimportant.

I am personally not above enjoying Bay/Bruckheimer summer blockbusters (Transformers is the best movie of the year, thus far).

These "hidden messages" in the so-called higher art films are really little more than advertising.

And I must say that product placement in mainstream cinema is often quite clever.

If culture is more about appreciating the beauty of the performance, then what makes elaborate f/x sequences in blockbusters any less of beautiful performance?

Well said, all around. I've never understood why schools insisted on teaching us about classical music. "Its sophistocated", they once told my brother when he asked the teacher. But how? Its music. It felt like I was getting ripped off not learning about all the different types of music (which is something I now do on my own time as much as possible).

These things need a concrete definition... either all films are art, or none of them are. Either all music is, or none of it is. Either all paintings... ect. ect. ect. They can't be "more art" or "more culture" than something else. They can be of different quality, but that must be judged on an individual basis, not weather it is an indie film or some other non-mainstream form of "high culture".

I particularly liked "Now if I can only convince everyone that high culture is only the expression of insecure snobbery." I have felt like that many times when I've heard people (especially those of authority) talk about art and culture.

"These "hidden messages" in the so-called higher art films are really little more than advertising." I enjoy "hidden messages" and symbols, but I see them all the time in good "low-culture" movies, too. You can make symbols all you want with pretty much anything, and thats what I like to do to enjoy my movies!

I don't see how a movie like "Transformers" or "Superbad" is any less a work of great art than Shakespeare (who bothers me, by the way). Transformers, as you mentioned, had incredibly well done visual effects, and it was extremely enertaining because of the impeccable mix of the action and humour (giant fighting robots is a sure winning forumula, anyway). Superbad had a very good plot, and very good characters, too, and was hilarious, yet because it had a lot of cock jokes a lot of snobs will probably look down on it. And those cock jokes were smart, too.
 

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Somewhat offtopic, but *shrugs*.

My top 3 zombie-type movies:

1. 28 days later
2. Dawn of the Dead (the remake, great Johnny C song in there incidentally)
3. Resident Evil (Milla, mmmm)

I'll give you Number 2, but 28 Days Later was incredibly boring, and Resident Evil was just bad. FWIW, Resident Evil: Apocalypse was enjoyable, particularly because it had some cool explosions!
 

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yes, RE was bad, but it was awesome in that it was nothing more than a hot chick kicking a shit-ton of ass. And thus, if in the ride mood, is a worthy waste of time.

I havent found that a lot of artists love zombie movies. as you've said, its mostly "scene-kids" who like it. Granted, some scene kids actually ARE artists (and while I do really like a lot of modern art, the stuff these guys com up with, I cant bring myself to like), and then I guess thats the case. Take, for example, Quintin Tarentino, hes pretty much the archetype for the modern hipster (coincidentally, the guy bugs the hell out of me). And he's all about over stylized B-genre movies like zombie movies.
 
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