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    I don't enjoy them, in fact I hate them, and yes I am an artist.
    Deja que pasemos sin miedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aven View Post
    I don't enjoy them, in fact I hate them, and yes I am an artist.
    I hope you don't exclusively like the "high-culture" stuff either, because that's just snobbery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I hope you don't exclusively like the "high-culture" stuff either, because that's just snobbery.
    No, but I am particular about the art I like, when I see something I like I just do.

    No I did not like Picasso, yes he was revolutionary, cubism and all that, I give him that credit, but no, I don't like his paintings.

    The closest I have gotten to liking the greats is probably Dali, and not all of them, but I like surrealism, Kahlo I found interesting as a person, all of her paintings don't resound in me except for a few, Rivera was more to my liking.

    My favorite painting to date was a painting I found in a Boulder Hospital lobby, actually, they were a series of three paintings, and I could not read the signature so it will forever be lost to memory.

    I LOVE street art, some of it is just awesome, and I also like simplistic art, however, that is to say, I probably would not buy any piece of art unless I REALLY loved it, and that I guess is hard to do, blame my J side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, an ideal artist enjoys variety. So why do they enjoy zombie movies? They are literally all the same.
    Wrong. I loathe zombie movies. Because if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all! Plus, watching dead people shamble around and groan isn't really interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrielle View Post
    Wrong. I loathe zombie movies. Because if you've seen one, you've seen 'em all! Plus, watching dead people shamble around and groan isn't really interesting.
    I guess I've just been on MySpace too long, where everyone is considered an "artist." (But in reality, they're just scene kids who want attention.)

    But on the other hand, I do make exceptions -- Serenity is kind of a zombie movie.

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    Somewhat offtopic, but *shrugs*.

    My top 3 zombie-type movies:

    1. 28 days later
    2. Dawn of the Dead (the remake, great Johnny C song in there incidentally)
    3. Resident Evil (Milla, mmmm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I guess I've just been on MySpace too long, where everyone is considered an "artist." (But in reality, they're just scene kids who want attention.)

    But on the other hand, I do make exceptions -- Serenity is kind of a zombie movie.
    I really don't think MySpace counts for anything towards truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree, actually. Now if I can only convince everyone that high culture is only the expression of insecure snobbery.

    People seem to favor either low-culture (exploitation or porn flicks) or high-culture media (boring Oscar movies) but are intensely critical of mainstream media. I think all it has to do with is money.

    But the differences in terms of mainstream cinema and "high-cultured" media such as stage, dance, and sculpture are superficial and subtle, and therefore unimportant.

    I am personally not above enjoying Bay/Bruckheimer summer blockbusters (Transformers is the best movie of the year, thus far).

    These "hidden messages" in the so-called higher art films are really little more than advertising.

    And I must say that product placement in mainstream cinema is often quite clever.

    If culture is more about appreciating the beauty of the performance, then what makes elaborate f/x sequences in blockbusters any less of beautiful performance?
    Well said, all around. I've never understood why schools insisted on teaching us about classical music. "Its sophistocated", they once told my brother when he asked the teacher. But how? Its music. It felt like I was getting ripped off not learning about all the different types of music (which is something I now do on my own time as much as possible).

    These things need a concrete definition... either all films are art, or none of them are. Either all music is, or none of it is. Either all paintings... ect. ect. ect. They can't be "more art" or "more culture" than something else. They can be of different quality, but that must be judged on an individual basis, not weather it is an indie film or some other non-mainstream form of "high culture".

    I particularly liked "Now if I can only convince everyone that high culture is only the expression of insecure snobbery." I have felt like that many times when I've heard people (especially those of authority) talk about art and culture.

    "These "hidden messages" in the so-called higher art films are really little more than advertising." I enjoy "hidden messages" and symbols, but I see them all the time in good "low-culture" movies, too. You can make symbols all you want with pretty much anything, and thats what I like to do to enjoy my movies!

    I don't see how a movie like "Transformers" or "Superbad" is any less a work of great art than Shakespeare (who bothers me, by the way). Transformers, as you mentioned, had incredibly well done visual effects, and it was extremely enertaining because of the impeccable mix of the action and humour (giant fighting robots is a sure winning forumula, anyway). Superbad had a very good plot, and very good characters, too, and was hilarious, yet because it had a lot of cock jokes a lot of snobs will probably look down on it. And those cock jokes were smart, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    Somewhat offtopic, but *shrugs*.

    My top 3 zombie-type movies:

    1. 28 days later
    2. Dawn of the Dead (the remake, great Johnny C song in there incidentally)
    3. Resident Evil (Milla, mmmm)
    I'll give you Number 2, but 28 Days Later was incredibly boring, and Resident Evil was just bad. FWIW, Resident Evil: Apocalypse was enjoyable, particularly because it had some cool explosions!

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    yes, RE was bad, but it was awesome in that it was nothing more than a hot chick kicking a shit-ton of ass. And thus, if in the ride mood, is a worthy waste of time.

    I havent found that a lot of artists love zombie movies. as you've said, its mostly "scene-kids" who like it. Granted, some scene kids actually ARE artists (and while I do really like a lot of modern art, the stuff these guys com up with, I cant bring myself to like), and then I guess thats the case. Take, for example, Quintin Tarentino, hes pretty much the archetype for the modern hipster (coincidentally, the guy bugs the hell out of me). And he's all about over stylized B-genre movies like zombie movies.

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