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    Default funny full tilt 6max 10NL texas holdem hand vs. terrible LAG

    Poker nerds will maybe appreciate this...play at microstakes is hilarious. This guy has raised my big blind from small blind like the last 14 hands in a row, playing VP 50+ and PFR like 35 lol. He's also 2- and 3-barreling numerous hands with total garbage!



    Look who thinks he's Gus Hansen (I'm oldgreggbaileys):

    Full Tilt Poker Game #14201069265: Table Flavor (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:55:49 ET - 2009/08/22
    Seat 1: acegy ($2.71)
    Seat 2: ShibbenFisk ($7.92)
    Seat 3: JOB 7 7-8 ($33.73)
    Seat 4: Judetheman ($10)
    Seat 5: KimSu65 ($22.14)
    Seat 6: oldgreggbaileys ($13.32)
    KimSu65 posts the small blind of $0.05
    oldgreggbaileys posts the big blind of $0.10
    The button is in seat #4
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to oldgreggbaileys [8s Jd]
    acegy folds
    ShibbenFisk folds
    JOB 7 7-8 folds
    JOB 7 7-8 is sitting out
    Judetheman folds
    KimSu65 raises to $0.30
    oldgreggbaileys calls $0.20
    *** FLOP *** [9c 2d Qs]
    KimSu65 bets $0.60
    oldgreggbaileys calls $0.60
    *** TURN *** [9c 2d Qs] [Tc]
    KimSu65 bets $1.80
    oldgreggbaileys calls $1.80
    *** RIVER *** [9c 2d Qs Tc] [2s]
    KimSu65 bets $19.44, and is all in
    oldgreggbaileys calls $10.62, and is all in
    Uncalled bet of $8.82 returned to KimSu65
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    KimSu65 shows [8h 6s] a pair of Twos
    oldgreggbaileys shows [8s Jd] a straight, Queen high
    oldgreggbaileys wins the pot ($24.87) with a straight, Queen high

    lolz.
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    Doesn't Read Your Posts Haight's Avatar
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    Oddly enough, I like Kim's line better than oldgregg's.

    But at those stakes, the thinking is generally, "But it's only [x]-cents."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    Oddly enough, I like Kim's line better than oldgregg's.

    But at those stakes, the thinking is generally, "But it's only [x]-cents."
    Did you read the specific info on his play? He's playing over half his hands and raising preflop over 35%, and he's also repeatedly shown down total garbage after raising from SB--I know for a fact that he's trying to steal my BB from SB with all kinds of crap. With position in heads up pots like this I'm calling this kind of player with pretty much anything (he's stealing from button well over half the time as well); I'm also floating the flop because his c-bet stat is well over 80 and I can float/steal him a lot.

    Also, I apparently have huge implied odds on the gutshot, because I've seen this guy shove in with air on marginal reads at least twice already.

    My play is a specific response to his extremely aggressive style. I know there are winning players with these kinds of stats at like 200NL and up, but most people trying to play like superheroes at microstakes are just huge losers.

    P.S.,

    <10 hands later Kim was down to below $10, after having had over $50 recently. He lost most of it on a hand where he limped UTG with J5s, cold called a 3bet after two people raised behind him (still out of position against both opponents), and then called all in for more than the pot on on a KQT flop with nothing but an OESD (nowhere near necessary odds, and absolutely no fold equity because he called all in.)

    I know you're used to higher stakes and all, but come on. This guy is just retarded.
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    Doesn't Read Your Posts Haight's Avatar
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    Sure, but loose-aggressive isn't a losing strategy. But calling a pot bet with a gut shot and convincing yourself that you have "implied odds" is.

    If you don't believe me, keep doing that as you move up and tell me how it's working out.

    In my humble opinion, you should have shut down after the flop bet. However, he should have shut down after you called the bet. His plan was worse than yours, but you made the first mistake. And you're only viewing it favorably because of the hand result.

    Again, just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    Sure, but loose-aggressive isn't a losing strategy. But calling a pot bet with a gut shot and convincing yourself that you have "implied odds" is.

    If you don't believe me, keep doing that as you move up and tell me how it's working out.

    In my humble opinion, you should have shut down after the flop bet. However, he should have shut down after you called the bet. His plan was worse than yours, but you made the first mistake. And you're only viewing it favorably because of the hand result.

    Again, just my opinion.

    Loose-aggressive *can* be a winning strategy, as I've pointed out; however, the vast majority of players attempting LAG at 10NL are just idiots who think they play much better than they do. I've said about three times now that this was a very unusual and player-specific read and that I'm not normally making these kinds of calls against most players--his HUD stats clearly indicate an extremely wide range here, and while LAG may be a winning style for some, it is clearly NOT for this player.

    But as your usertitle says, you obviously aren't reading my posts here, so let's suspend discussion until you decide to bother reading more than every fifth word. Otherwise this feels like kind of a waste of time. It sounds like you're an experienced player who probably has some valuable insights, but I can't take you very seriously if you're just going to skim my posts/ignore crucial details and then ignore me when corrected. This seems to be something you have a habit of doing.
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    Doesn't Read Your Posts Haight's Avatar
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    Wow, such hostility.

    I didn't realize that I wasn't supposed to comment on the play. I guess I was just supposed to write, "Fantastic read! Nice play!" And, for whatever it's worth, I read the OP and understand what happened, but that doesn't really matter.

    Now that I'm clear, I'll stay away from your self-congratulatory threads.

    Sorry about that. Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    Wow, such hostility.

    I didn't realize that I wasn't supposed to comment on the play. I guess I was just supposed to write, "Fantastic read! Nice play!" And, for whatever it's worth, I read the OP and understand what happened, but that doesn't really matter.

    Now that I'm clear, I'll stay away from your self-congratulatory threads.

    Sorry about that. Carry on.
    I apologize for any hostile tone. I'm not being hostile; it's just a little annoying to explain repeatedly, and it comes off as kind of condescending to "inform" me that floating flop bets with J high and a gutshot shouldn't be the standard play in most situations, as if I run around doing that on a regular basis. ("Try doing that as you move up and let me know how it works" doesn't sound the slightest bit condescending to you?) Any play can theoretically be correct if the right mistake has been observed in the opponent...if you'd like to explain why my player-specific information here is irrelevant, I would like to hear your thoughts (maybe I missed something.)

    Honestly I appreciate being able to get feedback from higher stakes players...it just works better when they read the thread.
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    Doesn't Read Your Posts Haight's Avatar
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    Funny how you keep mentioning that I didn't read the thread after I already said that I did. So maybe you're the one that's not reading the posts. So I'll reiderate . . . I read the posts. However, I don't like the play.

    It seems that you're assuming that the only reason I'm not congratulating you is because I didn't read the thread. That's kind of funny if you think about it.

    Either way, have fun. Talk to you later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    Funny how you keep mentioning that I didn't read the thread after I already said that I did. So maybe you're the one that's not reading the posts. So I'll reiderate . . . I read the posts. However, I don't like the play.

    It seems that you're assuming that the only reason I'm not congratulating you is because I didn't read the thread. That's kind of funny if you think about it.

    Either way, have fun. Talk to you later.
    I'm not asking for congratulations. I'm not trying to challenge you here so much as explore ideas/gain insight...NTPs just tend to learn by arguing/trying to poke holes in everything given to them, so please bear with me. (Like that time I asked to play heads up and you decided it was some kind of ego thing--no, it's really not; I thought it would be genuinely interesting to play with you and that I'd probably learn something. Heads up is my favorite format because it's so open to creative play--this really had nothing to do with "GRR I AM GOING TO IMPRESS THE FORUM BY BEATING HAIGHT IN HEADS UP PLAY MONEY!!")

    Based solely on the difference in the stakes we play, in fact, I'd give pretty good odds that you're better and more experienced at NL holdem than I am. I have no interest in a pissing contest.

    Honestly man, I really didn't want to argue with you. I do appreciate that you offered your advice. I'd really like to hear more about it if you have the time, not because I intend to "prove" you wrong, but because I would like to know why you reached your conclusion.

    And really, if you're afraid of people mistakenly thinking you don't really read their posts, you might wanna change that usertitle.
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