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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    You don't think good music is good irrespective of context?

    I do agree with part of your post.

    Radiohead, to me, is an example of our arbitrary tastes and success criteria are in the music business. There are somewhat similar-sounding bands (at least when compared to other successful bands) out there that the average joe might like, that he just never got a chance to hear. Thus Radiohead starts getting worshipped as something otherworldly since "there's clearly nothing like it".
    Look, here's how it works in the music business...

    If you're not making it anywhere, it's for one or both of two fundamental reasons:

    1) Not enough people are willing to pay for your music, either because it's not good enough or not marketable enough (in business terms these are the same thing), or
    2) You haven't made enough of an effort to market yourself.

    The whole "zomg the music business is just RANDOM LUCK!" thing is total bullshit perpetuated by non-musicians who don't know what the fuck they're talking about and/or failed musicians who want to make excuses for having failed/continuing to fail.

    I don't buy it. The amount of luck required to succeed in music is inversely proportional to the amount of work and time you're willing to put into it. Starting a band IS starting a business, and if you're not making money it's because you need to improve your product and/or the way you market it. End of story.

    If you've been out touring the country and passing out thousands of demos for several years and nobody in the industry with any clout is taking notice or paying any attention, it's not because you're unlucky--it's because you suck. Industry scouts are everywhere; too many bands delude themselves into thinking they'll "make it when the right guy hears us"--if you're truly good, you'll be showered with praise virtually everywhere you go, because to informed and experienced people in the industry, it's obvious who's good and who isn't despite what your personal tastes happen to be.

    Notice how labels don't sign totally unmarketable bands no matter how much the A&R guy happens to enjoy them?

    It's just like poker players who whine and whine about how they're the unluckiest player in the world, because their perspectives aren't even wide enough to grasp the reasons why they suck. And yet the best players in both the music world and the poker world still come out with lots and lots of money every year, and I don't buy the bullshit socialist argument that everyone should be paid the same for not doing as good a job.

    If you think that any "bad band" ever actually makes a lot of money, you're judging music according to arbitrary inner standards and you lack context.


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    I wonder if this entire ordeal could be solved by clarifying the term "good".

    Simulatedworlds' points would touch base with what is defined as 'musical quality'.
    Magic Poriferan's points would touch base with what is defined as 'musically pleasing'.

    For an example, someone could say Pavarotti's Nessun Dorma is technically flawless, but they could also say they prefer to listen to Paul Pott's emotional, imperfect rendition of it.
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    OK, regardless of what you guys think, let's pull back to the main topic:

    We didn't get a new EP, but we did get the official release of "These Are My Twisted Words," the song in question which sparked this whole fire of speculation. The song is available for digital download for free from the band's official website or via torrent. Sweeeet.

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    Thanks! I'm going to listen right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metaphours View Post
    OK, regardless of what you guys think, let's pull back to the main topic:

    We didn't get a new EP, but we did get the official release of "These Are My Twisted Words," the song in question which sparked this whole fire of speculation. The song is available for digital download for free from the band's official website or via torrent. Sweeeet.

    That song isn't bad. Got more going on than the Harry Patch song for sure.
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    I loved it.

    The quirky darkness made me smile and hit repeat.

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    Posts worthy of a new thread by r.a. and SimWorld have been moved here.
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    Thank you, Jennifer.

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    The tracing paper translucent artwork was interesting. Song was decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Decline View Post
    The tracing paper translucent artwork was interesting. Song was decent.
    I really liked the artwork. The song sounded Krautrock-y, a bit like Liars circa Drum's Not Dead. Still a great song, but I definitely need to give it more time to grow on me .

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