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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    "My shadow's

    Shedding skin and
    I've been picking
    Scabs again.
    I'm down
    Digging through
    My old muscles
    Looking for a clue.

    I've been crawling on my belly
    Clearing out what could've been.
    I've been wallowing in my own confused
    And insecure delusions
    For a piece to cross me over
    Or a word to guide me in.
    I wanna feel the changes coming down.
    I wanna know what I've been hiding in

    My shadow.
    Change is coming through my shadow.
    My shadow's shedding skin
    I've been picking
    My scabs again.

    I've been crawling on my belly
    Clearing out what could've been.
    I've been wallowing in my own chaotic
    And insecure delusions.

    I wanna feel the change consume me,
    Feel the outside turning in.
    I wanna feel the metamorphosis and
    Cleansing I've endured within

    My shadow
    Change is coming.
    Now is my time.
    Listen to my muscle memory.
    Contemplate what I've been clinging to.
    Forty-six and two ahead of me.

    I choose to live and to
    Grow, take and give and to
    Move, learn and love and to
    Cry, kill and die and to
    Be paranoid and to
    Lie, hate and fear and to
    Do what it takes to move through.

    I choose to live and to
    Lie, kill and give and to
    Die, learn and love and to
    Do what it takes to step through.

    See my shadow changing,
    Stretching up and over me.
    Soften this old armor.
    Hoping I can clear the way
    By stepping through my shadow,
    Coming out the other side.
    Step into the shadow.
    Forty six and two are just ahead of me."


    My Ni is exploding right now. I just grasped the fundamental theorem of online poker and Ne is going nuts with the implications.


    EDIT: Holy crap so is "Lateralus."

    Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
    red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
    lets me see.
    as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
    drawn beyond the lines of reason.
    Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

    Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
    Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
    Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

    Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
    red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
    lets me see there is so much more and
    beckons me to look thru to these infinite possibilities.
    as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
    drawn outside the lines of reason.
    Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

    over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
    Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind.
    Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
    Reaching out to embrace the random.
    Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

    I embrace my desire to
    I embrace my desire to
    feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow
    to feel inspired to fathom the power, to witness the beauty,
    to bathe in the fountain,
    to swing on the spiral
    to swing on the spiral
    to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.

    With my feet upon the ground I move myeslf between the sounds and open wide to suck it in.
    I feel it move across my skin.
    I'm reaching up and reaching out. I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
    what ever will bewilder me.
    And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
    We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
    Spiral out. Keep going.
    Spiral out. Keep going.
    Spiral out. Keep going.
    Spiral out. Keep going.
    Spiral out. Keep going.
    46&2 is about DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.a View Post
    46&2 is about DNA
    Read the thread, brah.

    Yes that's the literal reference.

    MJK is obviously writing about a few concepts that run just a little bit deeper than that as well.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    As far as 46+2, though--I said Ni because he's critiquing his own mistakes/seeking self-betterment through expansion of perspectives.
    that's actually the disposition and habit of a Ti type.
    Ni, simply finds the perspectives. it doesn't desire or aspire. using Ni means only to notice the abstract, in an introverted [most commonly synonymous with esoteric, in this context] way.

    This seems to be a running theme with him...what would you say the song is about?
    i say the same as nozflubber.
    i don't see in those lyrics that he's actually trying to correct a mistake. the song is more perceptive than necessarily action inducing like a Thinking ideal would.

    i'm trying to agree with you, but it's really hard.
    even if he is a student of jung, i strongly doubt that this lyric is a statement about accruing something which cannot be possessed.
    as a matter of fact, i think that because he's a student of jung, and any serious pupil would know that.

    you stay classy
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocap View Post
    that's actually the disposition and habit of a Ti type.
    Ni, simply finds the perspectives. it doesn't desire or aspire. using Ni means only to notice the abstract, in an introverted [most commonly synonymous with esoteric, in this context] way.

    i say the same as nozflubber.
    i don't see in those lyrics that he's actually trying to correct a mistake. the song is more perceptive than necessarily action inducing like a Thinking ideal would.

    i'm trying to agree with you, but it's really hard.
    even if he is a student of jung, i strongly doubt that this lyric is a statement about accruing something which cannot be possessed.
    as a matter of fact, i think that because he's a student of jung, and any serious pupil would know that.

    you stay classy
    He took the term "shadow" directly from Jung; he's literally writing about understanding weaker functions. Really, look it up.

    Sorry, I tend to use overuse the term "correcting mistakes" because I play too much god damn poker and the lingo pervades my speech. You're right that it's more perceptive; it's just a sudden realization, not a plan of action or a categorization into a systematic framework just yet. This song is the perception process itself.

    Now that I think about it only slightly less high than I was at the time that I wrote it, though, "Lateralus" seems more like the Judgment process taking effect. That one's probably more Ti.

    Can you explain the statement about Jung/that which cannot be possessed? I honestly don't understand the connection yet.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    INTJ with same subtype as Bruno, the heretic mystic. Deep Ni-Fi connection there. A highly individualistic type of mindset.

    EDIT TO ADD: I see the lyrics in 46 & 2 here (I'd probably never actually listen to this type of music) as being profoundly deep with layered meaning. It's about the corrupting action of the corruprting world on the individual human self/soul/persona...whatever name you want to give it, no matter how we strive with our individual thoughts, feelings, insights and actions in our earthly life--- just all that we strive for and are in our lives--- death and decay await us all in the end.

    Nozflubber is correct in that he's using the symbolism of DNA and it's decay. I see it as a Ni-Fi statement about the individual and the corruption of physical life. There are deeper issues of DNA being the code to our individuality here in this world and yet it is also the timekeeper to how long we get to hang onto it before we return to primordial soup. There's also issues about our shadows, human duality, duality of life and death, growth and decay.
    Maynard isn't a "J" in my opinion he seems more INTP, i've never seen an INTJ dress in high heels and paint themselves being half naked on stage. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    so wrong, yet again. 46 & 2 is a reference to the # of chromosomes in a human (23 pairs and 1 gender pair), and the song is about the corruption of the human form and it grows and decays in this world. But hey, don't let me stop you on your mission, son!
    The song is about evolving not being corrupted, ex "shedding skin" which is your previous self detaching from your present self.

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    functions are just the letters we use as protocol for referencing a specific cognitive action.
    Ne isn't palpable, nor can it be "gained" or built up. you can practice it... i suppose, but you're not gaining it, all you're doing is getting better at perceiving the abstract object.

    i'm not sure if you mean to increase frequency of use by saying "gaining Ni" or whether by that you mean flexing the muscle that produces introverted abstract perceptions.
    but after having read the lyrics one time i think i'd know pretty well what it's about.
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    anyway, if he's an IN_J type, shadow has no relevance to Ni for him.
    we fukin won boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Read the thread, brah.

    Yes that's the literal reference.

    MJK is obviously writing about a few concepts that run just a little bit deeper than that as well.
    sorry im not very deep

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