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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Where do we find a spectacle like that? Have you seen Ingmar Bergman movies? Antonioni? Godard? Fellini? Pasolini? Visconti? Kubrick? Hitchcock?

    When you write for the screen do you see how the camera moves?

    The dialogue must follow the camera. The camera must not follow the dialogue.

    Why do the craftsmen, the artists know this? Why the entertainers do not?

    Cinema is not theatre.
    Look at the directors you've listed as artists. Are "La Dolce Vita", "Breathless", "Dr. Strangelove", "Vertigo" and countless other works by these artists not among the greatest entertainments of our time? Art and entertainment are inextricably linked, and each is at its best when they overlap. Don't limit these guys by locking them in the "artist" box. After all, who makes a movie hoping that nobody enjoys it?

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    Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.

    Cinema is still a very new form of art, video games even newer, and so neither have become fully accepted as such, or at least not in the way theater is.

    Theater, on the other hand, has been around since Ancient Greece. To the Ancient Greeks, theater was little more than entertainment -- a chance to unwind. Only with time was it considered an art.

    The same thing happened with knight's armor, which was of practical use in its day, but is now displayed in art museums.

    I have calculated three basic artforms:
    • High Art is art of the past.
    • Entertainment is art of the present.
    • Technology is art of the future.

    In the end, all creations of man will be high art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.
    Exactly. They're the type that look at you like you're a baboon when you talk about a television show and then claim not to watch any television "except for PBS every now and then." But at least I understand where that viewpoint comes from. To argue that the more highbrow stuff isn't entertainment is just plain mystifying.

    To paraphrase your insight...

    Pop culture + time = art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMWarner View Post
    Look at the directors you've listed as artists. Are "La Dolce Vita", "Breathless", "Dr. Strangelove", "Vertigo" and countless other works by these artists not among the greatest entertainments of our time? Art and entertainment are inextricably linked, and each is at its best when they overlap. Don't limit these guys by locking them in the "artist" box. After all, who makes a movie hoping that nobody enjoys it?
    Art is to find the cord.
    Entertainment is to discord.

    Entertainment is for the masses.
    Art is for the patriacate.

    Art elevates the spirit.
    Entertainment is an escape.

    Distraction is death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.

    Cinema is still a very new form of art, video games even newer, and so neither have become fully accepted as such, or at least not in the way theater is.

    Theater, on the other hand, has been around since Ancient Greece. To the Ancient Greeks, theater was little more than entertainment -- a chance to unwind. Only with time was it considered an art.

    The same thing happened with knight's armor, which was of practical use in its day, but is now displayed in art museums.

    I have calculated three basic artforms:
    • High Art is art of the past.
    • Entertainment is art of the present.
    • Technology is art of the future.

    In the end, all creations of man will be high art.
    Yes.

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    Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

    These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK Radio View Post
    Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

    These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.
    Again, all this high art is just a status symbol that people use to show off their superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Art is to find the cord.
    Entertainment is to discord.

    Entertainment is for the masses.
    Art is for the patriacate.

    Art elevates the spirit.
    Entertainment is an escape.

    Distraction is death.
    If you want to write beat poetry instead of engage in a discussion then I guess I'm done here. But I can't leave without making plain that "entertainment" isn't pejorative and art can be found anywhere.

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    It seems to me you misunderstood.

    There has not been an offence intended from my part.

    A lie never hurts.

    Truth does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK Radio View Post
    Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

    These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.
    The college kids, eh?

    The true representation of the masses.

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