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    I guess I wasn't even thinking so much of adults who go on to work in art-related fields. Does a person have to make money to be an artist? Isn't there room in art for hobby artists who are, let's face it, never going to sell their work, but enjoy doing it?

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    I am not going to speculate on what happens to most kids without the aid of statistics, because I've proven myself to be a horrible judge of what is "common" among people. I have somehow managed to surround my slef with people who are not common for most of my life.

    I agree with the other statements made, in a way. I still do consider myself an artist (whose "media" changes from moment to moment). But, I wouldn't raise my hand if I were asked "Who here is an artist?" in most cicumstances. Because, I know in most circumstances, there will be a "proximate meaning" to their words. In most cases, I am a horrible guesser at these arbritrary proximate meanings, so I will be very conservative in including myself in the categories the words conote (e.g. "artist").

    Not that anyone would ask the question, but I would not raise my hand if people asked "Who here is not an artist?" either. Since the "proximate meaning" of "not an artist" will also be interpreted conservatively.

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    It does make sense. Do you think there are as many adults who enjoy doing art but wouldn't answer "yes" to "are you an artist" as there are kids who fancy themselves artists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I guess I wasn't even thinking so much of adults who go on to work in art-related fields. Does a person have to make money to be an artist? Isn't there room in art for hobby artists who are, let's face it, never going to sell their work, but enjoy doing it?
    Do you mean by "art", painting, sculpting, drawing, etc as an activity (work or play)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It does make sense. Do you think there are as many adults who enjoy doing art but wouldn't answer "yes" to "are you an artist" as there are kids who fancy themselves artists?
    Not if you mean painting, sculpting, drawing, etc.

    Kids get exposed to more and more things as they grow up. Pure painting, and sclupting and the like may get replaced with making and flying model airplanes, creating little electronic circuits to play with, playing with POV-ray on the computer(art?), creating computer games with whatever forms of graphics they come up with, and mostly likely playing video games other people make, or socializing on instant messanger, texting, or forums .

    The short of it is people get exposed to more things as they get older, and are less likely to choose painting, sculpting, or drawing (whatever "art" is) as they have more choices.

    In addition, as people become adults, they have to find ways to support themselves, and will have less time for leisure activity in general because of potentially demanding jobs (which I think is a real shame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Part of the mystery comes from a narrow understanding of those occupations of which artistry is comprised -- one that emphasizes the traditional "fine arts."

    Oooh, I'm glad you brought up the mystery thing. I'll have more to say on that later, but for now my mysterious ass has a shitty opening reception to attend.

    Quick! Somebody liquor up the introvert!

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    raincrow007,

    At first glance, I thought your avatar was a silhouette of the ponytailed head of a child peeking over a chain link fence. Then I noticed your user name. . . Yikes! I need to get some sleep.
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    I paint and draw reasonably well but I don't call myself an artist, because it's neither my career nor my passion. It's just something I do for fun (or out of boredom) every so often.

    I never wanted to be a professional artist, even though I always enjoyed art in various forms and I was praised for my artistic creations from an early age. I always knew that I needed a more secure/lucrative career. I'd imagine that's the case for most kids, and I don't think that's a bad thing...aren't there more than enough mediocre artists around?

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    I tend to think it's an inhibition thing. People filter out what they express increasingly with age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raincrow007 View Post
    I'll have more to say on that later, but for now my mysterious ass has a shitty opening reception to attend.
    What does this have to do with laxati -- ah, right, right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    What does this have to do with laxati -- ah, right, right...
    You turd!

    I'm completely [to continue with the horrid punning] wiped out from the weekend. I'd post something interesting on the topic, but I'm pretty sure at this point whatever I'd write would just be complete drivel.

    God only knows what lame memes I released into the public in the name of good ol' fashioned money grubbin'.

    Crap.

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    Since I'm not your mother, I won't make you sit there until you produce. Come back when you're ready.

    As an incentive, I promise to end scatalogical plays on words, though that's probably also a civil obligation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I'm not sure they're comparable. I don't notice a whole lot of kids who would say that they ARE astronauts, veterinarians, etc. And those aren't professions that also lend themselves to being a hobby-- they require years and years of training and doing little or nothing else professionally. It's the same for professional artists, yes, I'm not meaning to denigrate professional artistry to the level of child's play here. But people could continue to get joy out of doing art without pursuing it as a profession.

    To a kid, doing art is being an artist, and they're almost universally pleased with what they produce. Or maybe it's the process; I find that my kids almost instantly lose interest in something once they're done working on it. Once they've finished it and shown it to someone, they're on to the next thing. Maybe as adults we're too wrapped up in the results instead of the process.

    I would have thought it was more to do with realising that he/she isn;t that talented in art as he/she grew older and learned what real standards of art are?

    I loved art as a child, but soon realised that I wasn't talented enough to make it as an artist, to me it's eaither an amazing piece of work, or it's crap, there is no inbetween, and since mine wasn;t amazing it wasn;t right for me.

    Same goes with all the professions I once dreamed of being, some life got in the way and some, like art, were simply my realisation that I wasn;t naturally talented at it.
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