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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    The bar for getting an R rating is higher than it used to be. If the original was resubmitted for review I bet it would get a PG-13 rating too.
    You have got to be shitting me. Watching Murphy get his hand blown off at point-blank range was pretty horrific even nowadays.

    Then again, I did see the remake of Evil Dead. "Electric Meat Slicer." (My other word for that movie would be "chainsaw".)

    I guess Pan's Labyrinth was rated R? That had some pretty sadistic stuff in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    I don't see the point in re-making already perfect films. The original Robocop's probably one of my top 5 favorite movies. A villain like Boddicker just doesn't work in a PG-13 film (think what LOTR would've been like if it had been Disney's The Lord of the Rings).
    At least I could have had a Balrog plushie for my bed.

    Also, I hear they're remaking The Crow, another perfect film that should be left alone.
    nooooOOOoooooooo.....

    Is there a thread somewhere about what movies we'd LIKE to see remade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    You have got to be shitting me. Watching Murphy get his hand blown off at point-blank range was pretty horrific even nowadays.

    Then again, I did see the remake of Evil Dead. "Electric Meat Slicer." (My other word for that movie would be "chainsaw".)

    I guess Pan's Labyrinth was rated R? That had some pretty sadistic stuff in it.
    Pan's Labyrinth was given the equivalent of PG-13 here.

    Do you think a movie like Die Hard would get an R rating nowadays? It's a movie from the same time period that originally got an R, but was reclassified here last year to the equivalent of PG-13. It really wouldn't surprise me if RoboCop (1987) was given a similar treatment.

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    I'm not sure the bar has been raised for ratings. It's been a while since I've seen the original Robocop, but I remember a lot of graphic violence and A LOT of profanity. Compared to something like, Sleepy Hollow, which had virtually no profanity and not much gore aside from the occasional bloodless decapitation. Not saying that Sleepy Hollow should've been PG-13, but Robocop definitely earned an R rating. If I remember correctly, it was almost dubbed NC-17.

    Haven't seen the new movie yet. I don't hate the new Robocop's appearance, but I think they should've stuck with chrome instead of black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solar Plexus View Post
    Robocop definitely earned an R rating. If I remember correctly, it was almost dubbed NC-17.
    X. NC-17 didn't come about until 1990.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    X. NC-17 didn't come about until 1990.
    According to wikipedia, it received 11 X ratings. lol

    The movie was originally given an X rating by the MPAA in 1987 due to its graphic violence, in sharp contrast to most other X-rated movies that received the rating due to strong sexual content. To appease the requirements of the ratings board, Verhoeven reduced blood and gore in the most violent scenes in the movie, including ED-209's shooting of Kinney in the boardroom, Boddicker's gang executing Murphy with shotguns, and the final battle with Boddicker (in which RoboCop stabs him in the neck with his neural spike and Boddicker's blood splatters onto RoboCop's chest). Verhoeven also added humorous commercials throughout the news broadcasts to lighten the mood and distract from the violent aspects of the movie (most of the commercials are satirical on various aspects of the American consumer culture, such as the commercial for the 6000 SUX sedan). After 11 original X ratings, the film was eventually given an R rating.[19] The original uncut version was included on the Criterion Collection laserdisc and DVD of the film (both out of print), the 2005 trilogy box set and the 2007 anniversary edition—the latter two were released by MGM and were unrated. The 2014 Blu Ray 4K master edition also features this unrated cut.

    Regarding the omitted scenes, Verhoeven stated in the 2007 anniversary edition DVD that he had wanted the violence to be "over the top", in an almost comical fashion (the executive that is killed by ED-209, for example, and Bob Morton immediately asking "Somebody wanna call a goddamn paramedic?!", was meant as black comedy). Verhoeven also states that the tone of the violence was changed to a more upsetting tone due to the deletions requested by the MPAA, and that the deletions also remove footage of the extensive animatronic puppet of Murphy just before he is executed by Boddicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Pan's Labyrinth was given the equivalent of PG-13 here.

    Do you think a movie like Die Hard would get an R rating nowadays? It's a movie from the same time period that originally got an R, but was reclassified here last year to the equivalent of PG-13. It really wouldn't surprise me if RoboCop (1987) was given a similar treatment.
    Where are you at again, in terms of general world location?

    Yeah, I think Diehard would be bumped to PG-13, to be honest. I mean, he uses the full "mofo" word and there's lots of shooting, but I wouldn't say it's more than typical action movie violence... he does strangle the blonde guy to death, but all the other deaths are videogame deaths so to speak. I just felt like the Robocop violence was sadistic in nature, although not on par probably with Hostel and similar movies.

    ...The 2014 Blu Ray 4K master edition also features this unrated cut.

    Yeah, that's the one I have and just watched a few weeks ago, but I hadn't see the original release for so long that I was unable to recognize where things might have been added back in or made more blatant; I did remember thinking that Murphy looked a bit more mangled than I remember, though, in the execution scene.

    TBH, while I really love dark humor and like mixing humor with my drama, the TV commercials were a little too extreme in the "zany" direction for me and it broke the mood. Which I suppose is what Verhoeven was trying to do, but unfortunately I think it dilutes the intensity of the movie. (Breaking Bad was a good example of a TV show where the drama and humor were very much intermingled and tonally consistent.)

    I appreciate more the humor in the boardroom that you described (with ED-209 blasting that guy all over the place and Morton yelling with annoyance about finding the paramedics, or when Boddicker gets dragged into the police station, Robocop says, "he's a cop killer," and as all the cops stare in shock and anger, Boddicker spits blood on the log book and says something about "Now can I have my damn phone call?" I read somewhere that Smith adlibbed that), that kind of humor actually meshes with the plot and is part of the situational ironies.

    It's also pretty painful to see this machine that barely looks human spinning this gun around unexpectedly -- it's like this bit of a flicker of humanity left in this mechanized tool of the establishment, a brief glimmer of the Murphy that was but now is almost extinguished. he's like a frankenstein monster, dead but animated and dominated. Those moments in the movie, little things that could be considered throwaway, to me were some of the best bits. Or the drunk nearsighted scientist chick who can barely find Robocop's faceplate because she's drunk, and kisses him squinting, leaving this blur where her lipstick smeared on his visuals. Just cool stuff like that.

    I don't remember if we ever hear anything about murphy's family in a later movie. That was another heartbreaking scene, watching him clunk around his old house, and all these memories started flashing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Where are you at again, in terms of general world location?
    North.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    "While it's far better than it could have been..." sounds like faint praise indeed.
    There are probably so many factors to this, but one that comes to mind reading about this movie would be a sunk cost fallacy. If people have already done a certain amount with a project, they may feel like they should push ahead even after events suggest it should not carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It's a shame. I don't know why people don't figure this stuff out during development. Why do bad movies exist?
    Because decisions at movie studios aren't usually made by consensus. Generally there are people involved who have figured this stuff out, but they aren't always the ones with the juice. Then again, one man's bad movie is another man's badass movie.
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    After posting in this thread, I got my Bluray out again and watched about half the movie.

    The execution scene shows the hand being blown apart; him holding up the shredded stump coursing blood; then getting blasted with multiple shotgun shells (with the remaining part of his arm getting blown off at the shoulder in the beginning of the barrage); and then the body shots + busted cap and a few close-ups of his face w/ bullet hole.

    The ED-209 scene seems to run pretty long as well; the guy is just laying there and ED keeps spraying him. ... he's been dead for a few seconds and ED just doesn't stop. It feels like the guy eats 60-70 large caliber bullets. It's too bad he wasn't smarter, I would have run past the robot and out the door and towards a staircase, until they could slow down the thing; instead he tried to hide behind people, and they're all kind of slimey to start with.
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