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    Didn't read the story but have gotten the gist of what happened. I don't really know how sports games work though.

    But I'm surprised it's not possible for the winning team to just call an end to the game when it's obvious they're better and they're blowing the other team out of the water. Halftime would have been the appropriate time for that to happen. Second half shouldn't have even happened.

    Is it always the losing team that has to call the game off and forfeit it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascademn View Post
    Is it always the losing team that has to call the game off and forfeit it?
    Nah, the winning team can forfeit too. That really makes a statement.

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    I'm confused. I think people are supposed to do their best to win. I think it's kind of ridiculous to imply that someone "should" cut their opponent some slack in a competition. If they didn't cheat, they didn't do anything wrong.

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    Good questions, Jennifer.. Only I believe you ought to know exactly what's going to happen going in. In this sense.. if they shouldn't have played, but wanted to anyways, and got creamed.. Why should it be on the other team?

    The problems stated earlier about being insulting either way would be present.. I dont' think it was a christian or unchristian thing.. merely a game that probably shouldn't have happened, but did. Either side should feel bad, although the loser side would feel a bit creamed..
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    No way I'm handing over a loss because the other team needs to get their skills up. Either you step on the court and play, and win, or you lose by whatever means that is. If you can't handle it take yourself off the game or get your skills up!
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    I like insight about my position. I think losing that badly would be very insightful. To me it would be very insulting to have someone much better than me nurf their own performance, as to let me have an effectively false score.

    I don't think most of the morals theoretically being applied here really make sense when it comes to sports, or games in general. I mean, the points in a game don't actually have any value. Where does compassion enter into this? If, say, the only way people made money was based on how much they scored in sports, then I'd understand the need for compassion. But as it is, points are just a mechanism of the game, and the game is just for entertainment.

    And you know, the point is to win. Because of this, the sense of fun often comes from the competition, and the sense of satisfaction is only possible if you earned your success. If I know someone isn't trying their best against me, I lose all interest in playing. There'd be nothing generous about someone letting me score points then, because the only purpose of the game is entertainment, and now it wouldn't be entertaining at all. The only value the points have, is essentially removed if I know their simply being given to me.

    I don't know, perhaps other people have a completely different idea of what games are for that I'm not aware of. This situation to me looks like a misunderstanding of what competetive games are all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Was what happened "unchristian"?
    If not, are Christian values and sports excellence in conflict here?
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    These are interesting questions. While I attended a Christian college for one year and played on a woman's basketball team, I have no idea what my coaches had in mind regarding sportsmanship and Christianity.

    Certainly they must have been trying to get some message across and apparently I didn't pay much attention. My focus in team sports has always been to be part of the cooperative effort to beat, preferably anihilate, the other team. Heh.

    The Christian viewpoint from my perspective would be the body as "Temple of the Lord." To be well-maintained and used to its fullest potential as a precious gift.

    When playing a game, that would mean practicing, building physical strength and skill and then exhibiting the same to prevail over the other team. (Gee. I wonder if that would mean one team were better Christians than the other! Or simply given finer "gifts" by their Maker. ) That doesn't work very well.

    I think charity would be best practiced on a one-to-one basis. It seems personally dishonest in most one-to-one competition to not do one's best. That's excepting the situation Jennifer described above where she is teaching her child and instilling some values.


    Then there is that other, more stealthy practice, of sand-bagging to draw an opponent in and make the kill particularly satisfying.

    A large group of students hardly seems the place where teaching through this example, or demonstrating the Christian value of charity would be applicable.

    Need to hear more. . .
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    I'm a Christian, but I just fail to see where Christianity means throwing a game to spare the other side the embarrassment. Sports are by nature competitive. You come to play your best and your hardest, and the outcome is what it is. If you were worried about the other side's feelings and self-esteem the whole time, no one would ever win a game. You'd have a bunch of feel-good ties that don't mean anything. Much like in kids' soccer leagues where everyone gets a trophy for trying. I'm not a sports person at all, but I don't see the point in playing team sports at all if you aren't going to compete.

    I suppose you could actually argue that going easy on the other team is kind of dishonest. (Edit: just saw Anja made that point!)

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    It's not about throwing the game, it's about having the kids score less, practice harder moves, put in the kids who don't get to play as much because they aren't as good.

    I don't know how high school works but in (elementary school) rec leagues it's bad form to win like that. When my kids soccer teams used to kick butt (before they switched to a harder league the next year) they would practice certain plays and stuff. He would never let them run up an extreme score if it was obvious they were so much better than the other team.

    I imagine they could have done something other than go 100-0. Especially if they are apologizing. It's possible they just left their best players in and tried to get the highest score possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What do you think?

    Was it dishonorable for the leading team to press its advantage and not let up (as an ethical standard of excellence), or do you think that it would have been better to ease up and play on a lesser level out of a sense of compassion?
    Yes.

    A win that preserves the other team's sense of self-worth is still a win. I'm not saying they should play beneath their ability just to let the other team have a chance (which would be condescending), but a slaughter like that is perverse.

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