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    Senior Member Snoopy22's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I've been thinking about getting either a Winchester 1300 Defender or a Remington Express 870. I'm gonna need something to protect all the gold and silver I'm stockpiling for when the dollar collapses.
    Do not forget, bullets are their own currency.

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    Attachment 2963

    Daisy VL 22 Rifle...
    Years Produced late1967-1969
    Description: It was especially designed rifle which exclusively utilized a unique, caseless ammunition, forming a completely integrated firearm-ammo combination of its own. Jules Van Langenhoven was the Belgian petro-chemist who invented the system. The velocity was 1150 feet per second.

    It also has abysmal accuracy, most likely due to its caseless ammo, getting a caseless powder charge consistent in an manufacturing setting is beyond most systems. I believe the BATF halted production of this rifle due to Daisy not having a license to make guns other then air rifles.
    Finding ammo is impossible, and when I e-mailed Daisy if the had the recipe for this ammo, they acted like I was a freak'e survivalist, maybe I am.


    First attachment I have tried, it may be a bit small.

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    @snoopy22, I make zero guarantees as to the validity of this website, but...

    Daisy V/L .22 Caseless Ammunition 100rds - $12.00 : Buymilsurp.com, Your source for military surplus.

    Also, last post on this page: DaisyTalk: Can I shoot .22 airpellets in a Daisy VL?
    I-95%, S-84%, T-89%, P-84%

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    Caseless??? H&K G11 FTW!!

    3 round burst with the third round leaving the barrel before the recoil of the first round is felt. An approximated rate of fire equivalent to 2,000rpm!!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I did not hear of this gun ever going into production, I could be mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy22 View Post
    I did not hear of this gun ever going into production, I could be mistaken.
    I don't believe it did. I'm only 95% sure of that.

    Militaries are notoriously old fashioned, and have so far stuck with 60s tech in infantry weapons.

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    I doubt they even really tried it.

    Same deal with the Glock. It worked better and totally owned the Beretta and yet they chose the Beretta anyway...

    I guess they thought it was better than a smack in the face... I heard one marine disagreed though.....
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Ahhh.. guns are a work of art! I have gun fever BAD! If I was rich I would get every gun I could get my hands on!

    The best shot I took was with my Springfield Model 700 (30-.06) it was nighttime and a coyote was hauling ass down a field about 300yrds my friend hit him with a spotlight and I took the shot off-hand. It dropped him lol. That is truly one of the most accurate guns I own.

    I went duck hunting last week and took out a few ducks with my A390ST.

    The thing I have been trying to figure out is how to master the art of black powder. I just can't seem to get an accurate shot off! I don't think it's the loads, I have double checked the measurement (I shoot 120 grains)... The scope is sighted in too, I just bought it a couple months ago! Hmmm... does anyone else shoot muzzleloader?

    I plan on getting a new handgun come July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    The thing I have been trying to figure out is how to master the art of black powder. I just can't seem to get an accurate shot off! I don't think it's the loads, I have double checked the measurement (I shoot 120 grains)... The scope is sighted in too, I just bought it a couple months ago! Hmmm... does anyone else shoot muzzleloader?
    Smoothbore? If so, it'll never be accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Smoothbore? If so, it'll never be accurate.
    Nope, rifled.
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