What do you NF's think of the other temperaments?

[animenagai]

basically i read the NT thread, i felt like there was a lot that i wanted to say to some of the so called 'logical' NT's, but couldn't. revenge bitches! :D

NT's: i get along with them pretty well despite what i just said. it's nice to talk to other N's out there. once again, i don't think talking about feelings is somehow illogical (go study psychology or whatever) but that's a rant i don't want to get into now.

SP's: we have fun together. as an ENFP, happiness is my 'purpose'. why do anything if it doesn't make you happy in the long run? i can't philosophize with a bunch of them though, not because they're necessarily incapable, but that they don't appreciate the more 'vague' or 'abstract' concepts. still good fun though.

SJ's: o boy. i appreciate their dedication and how they stand by their values, however i'll say that they're the group i have the most trouble communicating with. i'll say that NP's are the most impractical group of all the MBTI types. not only do we like theory, we like to talk about theory just for the sake of it and dwell in the question. i tell ya, that just drives the SJ's nuts. i think i might get along decently with an ESFJ but i've yet to really meet one and have a conversation with.

now your turn. :D

[nolla]

I think my relations to the types are about like this:

SP: The people I drink with
NT: The people I argue with
SJ: The people I don't quite understand

The SPs are great because they never seem to get angry, or if they do, they will mellow out real fast. On the other hand it is fun talking to NTs but when it gets out of control, there is no choice but to leave the subject since they don't like to back up and neither do I if I am sure about it. But SJs.. they are ok, if there's SPs around. The SPs are the link between me and SJs. If you lock me in a room with an SJ, it will be a really long awkward silence.

[phoenix13]

NF- they're alright. Sometimes frustrating because they're too much like me.
NT- they're alright. Sometimes frustrating because there's a touch of arrogance to 'em.
SP- they make great buddies. Sometimes frustrating because they don't understand me AT ALL.
SJ- they're alright. Actually, I've had very good relations with them (I only know 3 for sure). They don't understand me, but they actually try. Very organized. Takes initiative. Yup, I like 'em.

[Travo7]

I think my relations to the types are about like this:

SP: The people I drink with
NT: The people I argue with
SJ: The people I don't quite understand

The SPs are great because they never seem to get angry, or if they do, they will mellow out real fast. On the other hand it is fun talking to NTs but when it gets out of control, there is no choice but to leave the subject since they don't like to back up and neither do I if I am sure about it. But SJs.. they are ok, if there's SPs around. The SPs are the link between me and SJs. If you lock me in a room with an SJ, it will be a really long awkward silence.

SP: I agree with what you said about SPs. The ones I know are super friendly and accepting "party" type people. We can occasionally talk about more abstract concepts or "real" things as I call them, but for them it's like a detour from the moment, whereas for me it is the actual path I'm on. So it's hard for me to really connect on that level. That aside, a couple of my best friends are sp.

NT: I think I know an ENTP, but I'm not 100% on that. He and I can really talk about anything, but yet it is more of a friendly, playful argument than an inspirational sharing of ideas(too cheesy?). He always tries to convince me that he's right, in so many words.

SJ: My father is an ESTJ. We have an ok relationship, and as long as things don't get to deep, he's great. We have very little in common however. Anything emotional is hard for him. You can't really tell when he's on vacation, or off work. He is always very meticulous and scheduled. He likes golf, football, and basketball, and manages the psychiatric ward of a VA hospital. I couldn't see myself doing or liking any of those things (and that's just on the surface).
Actually, the fact that he is a psychiatrist has recently given us many things to talk about, and has given him an opportunity to get things of his chest.

NF: One of my best friends is an ENFJ. When we first met, we both knew we would be friends. There was an instant connection, even though we barely spoke that night. He is one of the only people that I've felt very close to, who I can relate to intimately. He's almost a long lost brother. Man I know that sounds so cheesy...:cheese:

oh well...

[runvardh]

NT: people who actually understand the words that are coming out of my mouth
SP: friends or childhood punching bags, depended on the attitude they gave me
SJ: best dealt with when they are kept busy or remenecing

[Evan]

NT: I probably relate to this temperament most, but sometimes I feel so bad for them -- some of them are so obsessed with logic as a psychological coping mechanism; the same ones also think "feelings are stupid", which may be true, but it's a pointless mantra, as feelings are inescapable. They must be navigated just like everything else. Some of them (my dad for instance) live life in a fantasy land where everyone should be "rational" (whatever that subjectively means to them, ironically) and they're always surprised by peoples feelings. It's like they walk into the same obstacle over and over, refusing to see that maybe THEY are the ones that need to change their path.

SP: Fun. They know how to pull me out of my analysis loops, which is definitely necessary sometimes. They make me envious of their ability to let go. I'm relieved around them, because my random thoughts are pushed to the background. Sometimes I need to drink or smoke to be on their social level, though, which is bad...

SJ: Really really depends on the person. Some of them are very refreshing, because their lives are so structured somehow without making a crazy analytical mess out of everything. I know I can count on them to answer their phone or call me back. Their predictability makes me very comfortable. It sucks if they have underdeveloped intuition, though (like my mom), because it makes me incomprehensible to them. They always wonder, "why doesn't that dude just shut the fuck up and do his work? that way he really wouldn't be depressed..." Sometimes they don't realize that there's a broader picture, and that motivation is affected by all sorts of factors. Meh.

Finally,
NF: Honestly, I'm mostly pissed off by NFs. Since I've spent my whole life developing my Thinking abilities, I think I get mad that they're so free to just FEEL. My favorite NFs are the fucked up ones, honestly; the ones who've repressed their feelings and are finally integrating everything back together. I think another reason I'm mad at most of them is that I see the potential for logical analysis -- it's like they just choose not to use it as much -- it seems irresponsible. I'd definitely say NFPs piss me off much more than NFJs, just because they're not worried about social appropriateness, and if they're immature it's so hard to watch. Immature NFJs are hard to watch, too, but it's because they compromise themselves so much that it's obvious to everyone. Meh.

[SillySapienne]

ENFP: Chill

INFP: Chill

ISTP: Chill

ENTP: Chill

INTJ: Chill

INTP (females): Chill

INTP (males): Not chill

INFJ: Not chill

[Evan]

^Aaah watch for unfair generalizations.

(I'm not taking the INFJ thing as an insult, I just know some INFJs and INTPs that you COULDN'T not get along with. People might surprise you...)

[SillySapienne]

LOL, no shit I was supremely over-generalizing!!!

I can think of a few INTPs I find to be lovely and an INFJ or two who I think are not batshit insane. :)

[Evan]

K.

[SillySapienne]

dissonance: Not Chill

lol, jk

sorta

:)

[Evan]

dissonance: Not Chill

lol, jk

sorta

:)

Hey I'd rather you point a judgment like that at me than at an entire group.

Keep it personal!

(P.S. CC, I love giving you a hard time on this forum, but I'm sure we'd be chill in real life. Totally sure.)

[SillyGoose]

NT's: pretty much get along with. Most attracted to type romantically. :smile:

SP's: FUN

SJ's: Typically like a whole lot and are usually the closest friendships I develop in real life.

NF's: Hit or miss, I think.

But I usually like everyone and I'm just generalizing and whatnot.

[Silently Honest]

ENFP: Chill

INFP: Chill

ISTP: Chill

ENTP: Chill

INTJ: Chill

INTP (females): Chill

INTP (males): Not chill

INFJ: Not chill

Am I chill? :shock:

[SillySapienne]

Am I chill? :shock:
:yes:

Kiddo, lol, not so much.

[Silently Honest]

:yes:

Kiddo, lol, not so much.
lol Oh yeah, him. He was wound up a little too tight. Still is actually.( I frequent another forum with him)

[prplchknz]

NTs-Like them, though this whole F's are weak and vunerable bullshit bugs me

NFs-Like them, except a few.

SPs-Like some, hate some

SJs-Sometimes I can get along with them

[Clownmaster]

NFs: Love em, we get to different conclusions but our methods of reaching the conclusionsa re the same

NTs: Gotta love my NT conversations. They can keep up with my topic changing speed while providing intelligent debate

SJs: They listen really well, but their ideas are set in stone, so you have to provide a lot of evidence to supply your point if you find a disagreement. My brother is this type, so I've learned how to deal with them, thus I enjoy their company. But I could understand if other NFs didn't get along with them

SPs: Don't know enough to accurately judge

[Pitseleh]

Finally,
NF: Honestly, I'm mostly pissed off by NFs. Since I've spent my whole life developing my Thinking abilities, I think I get mad that they're so free to just FEEL. My favorite NFs are the fucked up ones, honestly; the ones who've repressed their feelings and are finally integrating everything back together. I think another reason I'm mad at most of them is that I see the potential for logical analysis -- it's like they just choose not to use it as much -- it seems irresponsible. I'd definitely say NFPs piss me off much more than NFJs, just because they're not worried about social appropriateness, and if they're immature it's so hard to watch. Immature NFJs are hard to watch, too, but it's because they compromise themselves so much that it's obvious to everyone. Meh. Just out of curiosity, are you talking about the NF's that just go by their intuition and don't try to back it up by logic?

[Clownmaster]

Just because we're F doesn't mean we're incapable of using logic as a primary method for our problems. I think he's just had bad experiences with NFPs in rl experience and hasn't come across the right ones yet.

[Pitseleh]

Just because we're F doesn't mean we're incapable of using logic as a primary method for our problems. I think he's just had bad experiences with NFPs in rl experience and hasn't come across the right ones yet.

oh ok. I hate to admit it but I might be kind of like what he described when I get extremely stressed or mad. However, I'm not too fond of it either, haha. I try really hard to go about things in more of Ti fashion. Both arguments makes sense though.

[sade]

Finally,
NF: Honestly, I'm mostly pissed off by NFs. Since I've spent my whole life developing my Thinking abilities, I think I get mad that they're so free to just FEEL. My favorite NFs are the fucked up ones, honestly; the ones who've repressed their feelings and are finally integrating everything back together. I think another reason I'm mad at most of them is that I see the potential for logical analysis -- it's like they just choose not to use it as much -- it seems irresponsible. I'd definitely say NFPs piss me off much more than NFJs, just because they're not worried about social appropriateness, and if they're immature it's so hard to watch. Immature NFJs are hard to watch, too, but it's because they compromise themselves so much that it's obvious to everyone. Meh.

Unfortunately, I can relate at a level to this. Then again I'm probably one of the fucked up ones. Well, I was pretty much raised to the thought that feelings weren't valid and needed to be subdued and definately not expressed. That being said.. It's my problem. I don't wish it to affect or show to the surface, it's not like ugh.. Let's kust say I'm trying to learn out of it.
Meh.

NF: Hit or miss. With some I get along amazingly well and relate to, with some uh.. not. The ENFJ I know is like a second mother to me (she has known me since I was 12 and is about 20 years older than me) and we get along fantastically. The feeling is mutual.
NT: My best friend is an ENTP and I've had close friendships with NTs. As long as they don't get too hung up on rationality it's okay. Interesting conversations in real life. My brain tends to disconnect sometimes when it comes to male INTPs though. It might take awhile to understand.
SP: Fun, I usually like them much.
SJ: I get along with them, but feel the need to distract them every now and then and have difficulty communicating with them.

CaptainChick I'd ask if I was chill, but since I am batshit insane, uh.. :doh: I don't think I have courage to do so.
Please excuse the generalisations.

[iwakar]

NFs: You are great and terrible. Great, because great minds think alike, terrible, because you remind me of all the flaws I detest in myself. Imagine two windows looking out onto the world side-by-side. The same panes of glass tinted the same color, but only varying in their open to closed state and their degree of cleanliness. (Pardon while I lol at my own metaphor loving INFJness.)

NTs: You brilliant basta'ds. We are capable of such expansive conversation in the parlor on a comfortable couch. We might sort out the world's troubles once and for all, or so I hope. But woe betide us if we venture into a discussion of feelings, morality, or romance. It would be a "Murder Death Kill" of our temporary synchronizations of being. Farewell my short-lived shipmate in the boat called life. *waves tear-filled handkerchief*

SPs: What the f*ck to do with you wacky ass nutters? You're a mess you know that? You're all over the damn place. But God strike me down if I pretend you don't make me laugh, love, and err in spite of my better principles. *sigh* You exasperate me, but you make it worthwhile. And you draw out my envy because you have a grasp of this world, this tangible world that you always manage to experience so fully, that I will never achieve --only dream of in retrospect.

SJs: You sexy, stubborn, practically-oriented fuckaz. I don't want you anywhere near a position of authority over me. You will always fail to relate to what matters most to me. But as a mate, as a friend, you are dependable and trust-worthy with an unshakable inner compass. Though for slightly different reasons, you for your sense of duty, me for my sense of affection --we would walk through fire for the other, without looking back.

[Evan]

Just out of curiosity, are you talking about the NF's that just go by their intuition and don't try to back it up by logic?

Kinda. I'm talking about the ones that say stuff like "no, it just can't be like that; that can't be true!".

People that get Intuitions and can't clearly explain why actually aren't a problem for me. "I'm so sure I'm right, just watch" is something I say all the time. It's when they refuse to see a truth because it doesn't match their value system that I get annoyed.

Just because we're F doesn't mean we're incapable of using logic as a primary method for our problems. I think he's just had bad experiences with NFPs in rl experience and hasn't come across the right ones yet.

Heh, my best friend is an ENFP and she still pisses me off to no end! (In debate at least, which somehow takes up more than half the time we're around each other...) She always comes around to the dark side (Thinking) after a while though :)

[Clownmaster]

Ah, I understand now.

[Pitseleh]

ohhh, ok. I'm pretty sure I'm not like that. Many people would probably consider me a T at first glance IRL. Thank you for the clarification.

[SillySapienne]

Heh, my best friend is an ENFP and she still pisses me off to no end! (In debate at least, which somehow takes up more than half the time we're around each other...) She always comes around to the dark side (Thinking) after a while though :)
Pfft, last I checked, BOTH enfps and infjs had thinking as their tertiary functions.

And Te pwns Ti debate, sorry hon, it just does.

:smooch:

[Evan]

Pfft, last I checked, BOTH enfps and infjs had thinking as their tertiary functions.

True. I find it pleasing when they start using their 2nd and 3rd functions with close to equal weight, instead of heavily relying on one.

And Te pwns Ti debate, sorry hon, it just does.

:smooch:

From a Te user's perspective, Te wins.

From a Ti user's perspective, Ti wins.

Te keeps trying to apply the hypothetical. Ti keeps trying to refine the inner consistency of the hypothetical. I'd say Ti is better because it finds the internal logical flaws (which is more what debate is about) instead of applying the system outward, which is great if you're a business man, I guess.

Meh. Stupid argument, anyway, since no one uses JUST Te or JUST Ti. There are all sorts of other functions interacting all the time, so every type is capable of lots of different kinds of reasoning.

[tenINsFJ]

SJ - Love them, but I can't really communicate with them relationship wise.. friendship is fine but dang.
SP - Friends = Fine, anything else is beyonnnddd me
NT - My favorite of them all. INTP are my favorites, dated one for 3 years. Not clingy(in cases I've been in), and mostly logical, and are over analytical like myself so there's always something to talk about, and compatibility seems great. I think the most appreciative thing about INTPs is their ability to talk intellectually, hard to find in a lot of other types... well being only 21 yrs old.
NF - INFJ women are too.. I don't know, clingy. I feel like my personal space gets invaded consistently. INFP women are pretty chill, I don't mind talking to them(only know three), ENFP are awesome, I like them a lot. ENFJ.. eeeeeee too much feeling talk for me.

[Neo Genesis]

Finally,
I think another reason I'm mad at most of them is that I see the potential for logical analysis -- it's like they just choose not to use it as much -- it seems irresponsible.

Yep. But then again, I don't care much for politics, so I don't have the desire to identify what is more efficient, only what I see as morally right.

I'd definitely say NFPs piss me off much more than NFJs, just because they're not worried about social appropriateness,

:shock: You're from Berkley and you're worrying about social conformity?!?

[kiddykat]

NTs- cool, so long as they're mellow, not anal. One of my close friends is INTP; I love her sense of humor/philosophical thoughts.

SJs- one of my long time good friend is ISFJ- I get along with her really well. Other than that, XSTJ, I have a hard time really bonding with. We're neutral on a professional level.. friendship-wise? I just.. cannot really relate at all.

SP- ISXPs are okay.. SPs I know tend to take things at face-value too much, which is one of my pet-peeves. It's hard for me to share deep/relavent conversations with them, but they make great shopping/party buddies.

NFs- I love. ENFs, I tend to have more fun with- our conversations can last for hours it's crazy. INFs I know are sweet/sincere- I find myself sticking up for them often.

[Oleander]

I've just been involved with an INFJ. Shortly after she went back home, she posted End of Story. She is probably right because my feeling would be to drift on seeing each other a week or two every few months where nothing can come of it but because she is there obstructs anything else from developing. At the same time, I can't help feeling that a lot of her reason was that she will take something in a way quite different from what I meant, sometimes how somebody with a bee in their bonnet wants to take it.

Trying to explain I meant something else just puts her back up that I can't tolerate her disagreeing with me (that is, disagreeing that what I say I mean is what I mean), and showing her how she risks repeating the same kind of mistake as others who may be doing it deliberately has her complaining angrily that I am accusing her of being one of that group.

I hate this sort of thing because it plays right into smirking gits full of opinions about 'women'. I think it's partly realism coming to play and maybe my own inconsiderate feelings that never want to lose anybody altogether no matter who else comes on the scene - after all, it's never bothered me to be 'second fiddle' - while she realises emotionally what I only see intellectually that a boring marriage with a house of her own is better than anything I have to offer.

[cascadeco]

Haven't read anyone elses responses...

I guess there are people of each temperament (and breaking it down even further into type) who I really like and really get along with, and people of each temperament/type who I just don't want to invest deeply in, or dislike. It just depends on the individual and their maturity/interests/beliefs.

However most of my friends happen to be NF's. There's no great reason behind that, other than that we all tend to have similar interests and that's how the friendships began.

I've never had issues with NT's, though, and actually feel very comfortable around them, and haven't ever encountered any communication barriers/issues or anything, or conflicts related to the differing temperament (so that's why I find it curious when there's so much talk about nf vs. nt, or nf vs. sp, etc etc). I actually find it kind of refreshing being around NT's - I can joke around a lot more and don't have to bother with pleasantries.

I'm actually not friends with any SP's, although know I'm acquainted with some -- and think as a temperament they're rather delightful.

I work with some SJ's (and my mom and some other relatives are SJ's), although again, have never gotten 'close' to most, with the exception of one -- I've become really good friends with an ISFJ over the past couple of years, and she's a wonderful, funny, interesting person with complexities just like the N's. ;-)

[mlittrell]

NTs -> most of my best friends are NTs. very intellectually fun. able to turn any situation into a deep conversation (which i love). they dont waste time on pointless small talk (thank god). over all they are a great compliment to my own personality

SJs -> my most loyal friends are SJs. they are the kind of friends that will willingly take a bullet for you. as much as people dont believe it, my few ISTJ friends are extremely caring about my overall wellbeing. my two ISFJs take this to an extreme. i can occasionally have a deep convo with SJs also.

SPs -> if im super bored and my NT friends are busy an SP friend is always a good call. they tend to be my most fun friends. somehow i always end up doing something crazy with them like setting off fireworks in the woods or having an egg fight in the back room of wegmans or something just plain fun. to me they are a novelty.

NFs -> my own temperament. I love NFs. they are the only temperament that truely understands me for who i am as a person. ENFPs can be much like SPs in some ways in the fact that im always having an adventure with them. my one INFP friend is great to talk to about music and just socialize in a very NF way. my another ENFJ friend is fun to have deep conversations with. they tend to be good people for boosting self esteem or bouncing ideas off of. my mom is an INFJ and a big encouragement.

[Mondo]

NT- I have a lot of NT friends, probably more NT friends than NF actually. I think that's mostly a gender thing though (more male NTs than male NFs). They are either really fun to hang around with or (only true for the XNTJs) get very arrogant and are surprisingly easy to beat in a logical argument.

NF- Awesome people! However, one thing I don't relate to necessarily is that when hanging out with NFs, you are often walking on eggshells. They like all sorts of humor- except when you make fun of the stuff they strongly believe in. A happy NF is your best friend, a grouchy one- your worst enemy.

SP- I party with these dudes all the time! :D Most are way crazier than I am.

SJ-The few I've become friends with are usually down-to-earth and open-minded types. They are uber-responsible and I don't know of an SJ who has not gotten annoyed by my overall apathy towards the little things in life.

[alcea rosea]

NF's are great for the most part. They can be also the most difficult people. ;) But generally, I just love me....hmmm....them....us. ;) NF's have what it takes - the deep feeling and intuition levels. I enjoy both of those very much.

SP's are plainly fun people. I love most of them because they are so fun and I love fun. (haha - I sound pretty stupid here). They are also many times very open to the possiblities and I appreciate it very much.

NT's are the most annoying but also the most interesting people because their way of thinking is so very different from mine. So, with NT's you always get a new viewpoint on things. NT's can be also extremely arrogant people and in those cases they make me absolutely 100% mad.

SJ's - know many pleasant SJ's and many non-pleasant SJ's. They are the most neutral in some ways even if they get me angry more than other temperament types because of their ignorance of some things.

Very much generalizations here, so not to be taken too seriously. :newwink:

[Anja]

INTPs and INFJs are the two which are most appealing to me in a general way other than other INFPs.

Interestingly enough it is the dogged precison of many INTPs and the righteous attitudes of INFJs which are my areas of contention with the two styles.

Probably stuff I'm not done working on for myself yet? Yeah. Probably.

[speculative]

Interesting that the NFs in this thread tend to categorize other types as to how good they are to party with? Are we not partiers? :party2:

[quietmusician]

I think my relations to the types are about like this:

SP: The people I drink with
NT: The people I argue with
SJ: The people I don't quite understand

The SPs are great because they never seem to get angry, or if they do, they will mellow out real fast. On the other hand it is fun talking to NTs but when it gets out of control, there is no choice but to leave the subject since they don't like to back up and neither do I if I am sure about it. But SJs.. they are ok, if there's SPs around. The SPs are the link between me and SJs. If you lock me in a room with an SJ, it will be a really long awkward silence.

I wish I had come up with that.

NF: I'm fine with them.
NT: It depends on their true character. (I know an unhealthy one, not fun to be around)
SP: Okay, sometimes.
SJ: Difficult to breathe near, lol. I feel like I'm being constantly examined and then mocked.

[Athenian200]

Theoretical Template:

NTs: Very calculating, complex people with scientific minds. They are somewhat oblivious to anything that can't be analyzed, and attempt to systematize every aspect of life they are aware of into a coherent theory. They do have feelings of a very low-key, mostly unobtrusive sort except under severe stress. No strong repulsions or attractions (which makes them seem a bit clinical), but minor irritation with things that are incorrect. Best dealt with by sticking to intricate, abstract impersonal topics and impersonal arguments, and avoiding emotional displays.

SJs: Dutiful, disciplined, and pedantic people with an eye for detail and respect for institutions and authorities. The common man. They take pride in their work and check their process carefully to make sure they've completed all steps, and that everything they're responsible for is taken care of. They approach life in a fairly conventional way, and are unlikely to do anything out of the ordinary. Best dealt with by observing all procedures and customs (including local ones, regardless of where you're from) as carefully as possible, and keeping your word without fail.

SPs: Action loving, risk-taking hedonists with a zest for life, they abhor boredom and closed-mindedness above all. They enjoy doing physical things, the outdoors, and parties. They appreciate art, good food and drink, and earthy humor. They're quite likely to love honing and showing off their physical skills, such as sports and dancing. Best dealt with by being ready for anything, cheerful, fun to be around, and willing to do anything.

Experiential template:

NTs: Intelligent, witty people with a good sense of humor and often a perfectionist streak, which is darkened by a strong sense of frustration towards the needless incompetence and ignorance in the world. May seem somewhat detached on the surface but are actually quite shy and vulnerable underneath. Often have several narrow interests that they are very knowledgeable and opinionated about, and may have little interest in more general conversation. Usually have some degree of surface knowledge about things in an abstract sense due to sheer curiosity and a desire to see themselves as informed individuals. Best dealt with by being open-minded and honest, especially about what you know and don't know.

SJs: Pretty much ordinary people. They're fairly practical and focused on doing what they have to do to get through life safely and be respected. They can be rather stubborn and rigid about things they've become accustomed to, and sometimes romanticize the past, but generally figure out that they have to move on sometimes. They sometimes struggle more than others with mistaking what others expect from them with what they want for themselves, and this is probably the cause of the common "mid-life crisis," because it's often around this time that they begin to sort it out and find themselves. Best dealt with by being dependable and considerate.

SPs: They're fairly practical and focused on doing what they have to do to get through life, similar to SJs, except that their focus tends to be on pleasure and their own idea of self-improvement rather than respect and safety, although the degree of this can vary greatly. They're a bit bolder and more in tune with their instincts than other types, and this can be a good or a bad thing depending on the situation. They tend to dislike boredom and having their freedom constrained too much. Best dealt with by being open minded and having a sense of fun and style.

[Lady X]

NFs: You are great and terrible. Great, because great minds think alike, terrible, because you remind me of all the flaws I detest in myself. Imagine two windows looking out onto the world side-by-side. The same panes of glass tinted the same color, but only varying in their open to closed state and their degree of cleanliness. (Pardon while I lol at my own metaphor loving INFJness.)

NTs: You brilliant basta'ds. We are capable of such expansive conversation in the parlor on a comfortable couch. We might sort out the world's troubles once and for all, or so I hope. But woe betide us if we venture into a discussion of feelings, morality, or romance. It would be a "Murder Death Kill" of our temporary synchronizations of being. Farewell my short-lived shipmate in the boat called life. *waves tear-filled handkerchief*

SPs: What the f*ck to do with you wacky ass nutters? You're a mess you know that? You're all over the damn place. But God strike me down if I pretend you don't make me laugh, love, and err in spite of my better principles. *sigh* You exasperate me, but you make it worthwhile. And you draw out my envy because you have a grasp of this world, this tangible world that you always manage to experience so fully, that I will never achieve --only dream of in retrospect.

SJs: You sexy, stubborn, practically-oriented fuckaz. I don't want you anywhere near a position of authority over me. You will always fail to relate to what matters most to me. But as a mate, as a friend, you are dependable and trust-worthy with an unshakable inner compass. Though for slightly different reasons, you for your sense of duty, me for my sense of affection --we would walk through fire for the other, without looking back.

loved this...haha...so funny. :)

[FantailedWall]

Hmm. I'm going to go on personal experience here...

NT's: My father is an INTJ. We both love to play with ideas (despite my 'F' inclination, our discussions generally have a great logicality to them - but are also quite rich. We share a fascination with philosophy) and learn from each other BUT only when feathers are not ruffled the wrong way. He's too sure of himself - it borders on arrogance - and then calls ME arrogant for not coming round to his way of thinking! Drives me crraaazzzy.
Then again, a dear friend of mine is almost certainly an INTP and my half-brother is an ENTP (both with fairly well-developed 'F') and I think it's nigh defiance of the laws of physics for us to ever disagree to the point of coming to blows. We bear each others company extremely well, and are able to have great theory-heavy conversations without stepping on each others toes.
NT's = My life-teachers, as well as my students.

SP's: Two of my closest friends are SP's. My best friend from high school (ESTP) who I've occasionally conflicted with in the past, but would go to the ends of the earth for. It took us a while to get where we are now (Six-ish years, actually) but we've come to understand each other extremely well (eg - for me to not feel rejected by her occasionally TOO careless attitude) and have had quiiiite the adventures. She actually loves the philosophically-inclined questions I often pose for her that she otherwise would've never thought about. The other (ESFP) I get along with famously, and has been a good friend since I met him two years ago. By that I mean you could hear the 'click' when we met! He has an adventerous spirit and is excited by possibilities like me - we have the most entertaining conversations, and plan the most daring of escapades (which will, some day, be carried out....maybe....if I don't dream up another half-dozen to replace the ones already made, and he go along with it) We both love and deeply care for people, understanding them on different levels. (I'm also INSANELY attracted to him, but that's another story ;)) I've never really tried to engage him on a wholly theoretical level, however.
SP's = My playmates.

SJ's: Again, two examples spring immediately to mind. My mother, and my best friend. My ma (ISFJ) is absolutely the kindest, most sympathetic person on the planet - who happens to love me unconditionally. And she also happens to drive me nuts. I love and would do anything for that woman, but living with her was a total bitch. OH THE PERFECTIONISM. OH THE NAGGING. OH THE GULLIBILITY. OH THE WORRY WORRY WORRY. (She also doesn't appreciate black humour quiiiite as much as me, heh) I know it's all because she cares about me, worries about my safety and wants to teach me tidiness (as well as her own intense dislike of mess) but good GOD woman, get off my back! It's a damn spoon in the sink! A spoon! A SPOOOON! She also believes things far too easily, without sufficient evidence. That being said, she is one of the best people I know :)
Ah, the other. My best friend (ESFJ) Another perfect example of someone who I would willingly walk through a rabid scorpion pit for - and yet another perfect example of someone who drives me completely insane. He's less emotionally gullible and more laid-back than my mother, having much less of a compulsion to ABSOLUTE CLEANLINESS - actually, the rigidity in him I find frustrating is intellectually. He's very smart and generally very logical but SETS his mind about things. They have to make reasonable sense to him and be from a reputable source, but once he's convinced - he's convinced. End of story. No other evidence to the contrary will convince him otherwise. YET he thinks himself very open-minded....can you see how this would drive a possibility-driven NF to tears of exasperation?! :BangHead:
On the whole, we obviously get along (hence, 'best friend') but lordy help those nearby when we get into a heated theoretical discussion!
(Oh, and I just remembered I've decided my brother is a slightly-rebellious ESTJ. We get along on the surface and both love doing insane thrill-seeking things - but we do not understand each other. At all)
SJ's = My loveable (if frustrating) foils.

And last, but never least, my fellows:
NF's: It's such a pity only one of my immediate friend/family circle I can confidently recognize as a fellow NF - and he's a bit of an unhealthy ENFJ. (Can be brutally sarcastic but hyper-sensitive to even the most innocent barbs thrown his way, drama-queen to the extreme - he IS getting better though, I think it's mostly due to a childhood where bullying was a common theme) Most of the time I get along with this ENFJ, however it's highly annoying to be mocked and then have to walk around on eggshells in return! He's getting better as his self-esteem improves though, and I think that past this, we could connect better. We're both music theatre nuts with plenty in common - we're both constantly performing, and we make each other laugh. Other than him, there's also my best friend's girlfriend (INFJ) - who I have yet to become close to, but have thus far connected with. We have the most interesting conversations, and understand each others crazy perception of reality.
'NF's' also make up the only romantic relationship thus far that has been meaningful. Spiritual, cognitive, creative, emotional connection. (Again, INFJ)
NF's = I have yet to find the perfect title to define MY dealings with other NF's but: My fellow spiritual warriors ;)


....Sorry for that massive ramble. As I said, I wanted to make judgements solely based on experience, so - out came that novel!!
Hope it was insightful to someone, somewhere :cheese:

[silverchris9]

Hmm. I'm going to go on personal experience here...

SJ's: Again, two examples spring immediately to mind. My mother, and my best friend. My ma (ISFJ) is absolutely the kindest, most sympathetic person on the planet - who happens to love me unconditionally. And she also happens to drive me nuts. I love and would do anything for that woman, but living with her was a total bitch. OH THE PERFECTIONISM. OH THE NAGGING. OH THE GULLIBILITY. OH THE WORRY WORRY WORRY. (She also doesn't appreciate black humour quiiiite as much as me, heh) I know it's all because she cares about me, worries about my safety and wants to teach me tidiness (as well as her own intense dislike of mess) but good GOD woman, get off my back! It's a damn spoon in the sink! A spoon! A SPOOOON! She also believes things far too easily, without sufficient evidence. That being said, she is one of the best people I know :)
Ah, the other. My best friend (ESFJ) Another perfect example of someone who I would willingly walk through a rabid scorpion pit for - and yet another perfect example of someone who drives me completely insane. He's less emotionally gullible and more laid-back than my mother, having much less of a compulsion to ABSOLUTE CLEANLINESS - actually, the rigidity in him I find frustrating is intellectually. He's very smart and generally very logical but SETS his mind about things. They have to make reasonable sense to him and be from a reputable source, but once he's convinced - he's convinced. End of story. No other evidence to the contrary will convince him otherwise. YET he thinks himself very open-minded....can you see how this would drive a possibility-driven NF to tears of exasperation?! :BangHead:
On the whole, we obviously get along (hence, 'best friend') but lordy help those nearby when we get into a heated theoretical discussion!
SJ's = My loveable (if frustrating) foils.


Wow. Clearly we're living the same life. Clearly. I have exactly the same feelings about my stepmom and close friend/future roommate, respectively (especially about the unchangable mind + thinks they're open-minded, and they are, from an SJ perspective, and yes, it makes me want to strangle either him or myself).

[FantailedWall]

Wow. Clearly we're living the same life. Clearly. I have exactly the same feelings about my stepmom and close friend/future roommate, respectively (especially about the unchangable mind + thinks they're open-minded, and they are, from an SJ perspective, and yes, it makes me want to strangle either him or myself).

...Want to arrange an 'SJ' swap for observation/comparison purposes?

[IrishStallion819]

NFs: You are great and terrible. Great, because great minds think alike, terrible, because you remind me of all the flaws I detest in myself. Imagine two windows looking out onto the world side-by-side. The same panes of glass tinted the same color, but only varying in their open to closed state and their degree of cleanliness. (Pardon while I lol at my own metaphor loving INFJness.)

NTs: You brilliant basta'ds. We are capable of such expansive conversation in the parlor on a comfortable couch. We might sort out the world's troubles once and for all, or so I hope. But woe betide us if we venture into a discussion of feelings, morality, or romance. It would be a "Murder Death Kill" of our temporary synchronizations of being. Farewell my short-lived shipmate in the boat called life. *waves tear-filled handkerchief*

SPs: What the f*ck to do with you wacky ass nutters? You're a mess you know that? You're all over the damn place. But God strike me down if I pretend you don't make me laugh, love, and err in spite of my better principles. *sigh* You exasperate me, but you make it worthwhile. And you draw out my envy because you have a grasp of this world, this tangible world that you always manage to experience so fully, that I will never achieve --only dream of in retrospect.

SJs: You sexy, stubborn, practically-oriented fuckaz. I don't want you anywhere near a position of authority over me. You will always fail to relate to what matters most to me. But as a mate, as a friend, you are dependable and trust-worthy with an unshakable inner compass. Though for slightly different reasons, you for your sense of duty, me for my sense of affection --we would walk through fire for the other, without

I concurr, THis is a brillant piece of written insight.. THis is so true, on so many different levels.. I think the other types should read this, and use this in their relationships with the "NFs" in their life.

[silverchris9]

...Want to arrange an 'SJ' swap for observation/comparison purposes?

If it were at all possible, yes, that would quite an entertaining exercise. Not only have I had the spoon-in-the-sink argument, I believe that I've had an every possible kitchen object argument. Plus, and I don't know if it's true for everybody, but to me SJs (especially ESxJs) seem much more willing to express their anger over something that bothers them but not that much, whereas I'd never yell at anybody unless we're really, really having issues. But they get mildly upset over things that appear utterly inconsequential to me. So I get aggression directed towards me over what seems to me like nothing! Half the time it's irritating, but the other half (especially if they blow up over something really unimportant) it's just funny, although its usually funnier when its directed at someone other than me!

And I'm a theater person too! ENFPs and theater is a brilliant combination.

I also agree with the poster who said SJs are unpleasant as authority figures but very nice as loyal friends.

[FantailedWall]

If it were at all possible, yes, that would quite an entertaining exercise. Not only have I had the spoon-in-the-sink argument, I believe that I've had an every possible kitchen object argument. Plus, and I don't know if it's true for everybody, but to me SJs (especially ESxJs) seem much more willing to express their anger over something that bothers them but not that much, whereas I'd never yell at anybody unless we're really, really having issues. But they get mildly upset over things that appear utterly inconsequential to me. So I get aggression directed towards me over what seems to me like nothing! Half the time it's irritating, but the other half (especially if they blow up over something really unimportant) it's just funny, although its usually funnier when its directed at someone other than me!


It's funny - my ESFJ best friend is not all that concerned about 'order' in his environment. He has obviously decided it's inconsequential, and stuck by it :blush:
But his theories? (He's unusually theoretical for an 'S', says I - though prefers theorizing about things he could see having practical application in the future) Once decided? Oh my. Set. In. Goddamn. Stone! :17425:
(Lucky he's very 'equality for all', so we don't generally conflict on the highly important core values)

Man, you should hear our conversations on ideas about romance, for instance. Hii-larrrious. He just does not GET how much I love the idea of random spontaneity which is totally individual to the person, as a sign of affection. He's very romantic - yet so traditional in his ideas about romance he's one likely to propose to a girl in a fancy restaurant with champagne. (Not that this is such a BAD thing...) Whereas ridiculing how enchanted I am with the idea of someone, for example, proposing whilst snorkeling - underwater, above a reef. (Just a thought I randomly had at the time- but...whose with me, female ENFPs? HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT BE?!)

And I'm a theater person too! ENFPs and theater is a brilliant combination.

I do love a life upon the open stage :duel:

[briochick]

I concurr, THis is a brillant piece of written insight.. THis is so true, on so many different levels.. I think the other types should read this, and use this in their relationships with the "NFs" in their life.

yes, ditto, + 1

[MrME]

NT - Stoic and hard to get to know, even after years of trying. Capable of unexpected flashes of brilliant creativity. I've also been burned by a rather machiavellian NT in my day, so I tend to approach these types carefully.

NF - Two of my closest friends are INFPs and I love them both dearly. I get along better with them than I do with anybody else. Funny thing is, when we met we just CLICKED. We have a tendency to be stubborn and irrational if our emotions fly out of control.

SP - My roommates are both SP. They are maddening and fascinating and lovely people. Our lifestyles are sometimes in conflict, so there can be some friction between us. I like to call them Living Chaos, because they will move from subject to subject so quickly and without warning -- which is both a strength and weakness.

SJ - I can't say I've had any experience with this type. (*shrug*) :D