NTs, what do you honestly think about other temperaments in relation to yours?

[ygolo]

I am going to test out this Private Forum thing.

How do you view:
NTs vs. NFs?
NTs vs. SPs?
NTs vs. SJs?

[Jack Flak]

Awful, just awful, I can't even believe I put up with any of them.

[Lucifer]

They are merely people, they cannot be more then that. NT's can be truth therefore it can be challenging to communicate with people when they do not understand truth.

[Metamorphosis]

I think every type has their own strengths and weaknesses and each individual has their own specialties. With that said, I know that there are certain types (generally SPs) that I have trouble communicating/identifying with so I don't normally go out of my way to be around them.

[Trinity]

I'm only posting because I can.

I don't have NT in my type though :huh:

Oh well :woot:

[Jack Flak]

*sigh*

[Didums]

Hooray loopholes?

[ajblaise]

She'll get hers. She doesn't know what we do to trespassers.

[Jack Flak]

Takin' bets on how long disregard can hold out before the siren call of NF Private Forums takes hold....

[Didums]

She doesn't know what we do to trespassers.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Fallbeil_muenchen_1854.jpg

[Jack Flak]

Too generous, we need the Rack.

[Didums]

Too generous, we need the Rack.

Granted.

http://www.listaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/the-rack.jpg

[Trinity]

You can post because you haven't listed yourself as any of the 12 other types, which would prevent you from posting in this subforum, so you are in the pile of people that are unsure about their type, who have universal privileges in terms of posting in the private community subforums.
Doesn't look like I have access to the other private forums.

She'll get hers. She doesn't know what we do to trespassers.
Pfft! Ya'll don't scare me :coffee:

[ajblaise]

picture

Ah nice one didums, now how are we going to lure her into the chamber?

[Jack Flak]

Doesn't look like I have access to the other private forums.


Pfft! Ya'll don't scare me :coffee:
Quiet you, or you're out of the Cult of Rationality.

Edit: PLS CHANGE NT PRIVATE FORUM NAME TO "Cult of Rationality"!!!

[Trinity]

I've always wanted to be taller *sigh*

[Didums]

Ah nice one didums, now how are we going to lure her into the chamber?

We could put some:
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/gummi.jpg


Right next to the:
http://www.listaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/iron-maiden.jpg

[Jack Flak]

Yes, yes, just enough of a tipoff for a real NT to notice, good plan.

[Trinity]

You still sore that I ate your inner rainbow gummybear didums? *rubs belly*

I wonder at what point private forum conversations get moved to the fluff zone *waits*

[Jack Flak]

Shit, this thread is headed for Classic status.

[Didums]

You still sore that I ate your inner rainbow gummybear didums? *rubs belly*

I've been empty ever since... vengeance will soon be mine...

[ArbiterDewey]

I don't think anyone has access to the other Private Forums. Someone forgot to lock/unlock them/yours, whatever the case may be. Especially since I can post here.

[01011010]

GTFO

LOL Seriously?

All types are fine. It is more difficult for communication at times, but other than that I don't think anything of other people that aren't my type.

[Morgan Le Fay]

To borrow from Ivy's notation:

NT : NF :: moth : flame :wubbie:
NT : SP :: moth : butterfly :party2:
NT : SJ :: moth : naphthalene :banned:

[YourLocalJesus]

How I do view:
NTs vs. NFs: Pretty much OK, I just hate trying to argue with them, because generally they suck at logic. They can't follow a straight line, they always (more or less) mix up emotions and fact.

NTs vs. SPs: Usually ok, though the Feelers are usually a bit annoying.

NTs vs. SJs: Can only put up with ISTJ's. They complete me, and usually have a form of logic that I respect. The rest of the SJ's annoy me, and I would rather die than have one in a position over me. I loathe law-abiding traditional twits.




They are merely people, they cannot be more then that. NT's can be truth therefore it can be challenging to communicate with people when they do not understand truth.

Agreed.

I think every type has their own strengths and weaknesses and each individual has their own specialties. With that said, I know that there are certain types (generally SPs) that I have trouble communicating/identifying with so I don't normally go out of my way to be around them.

I have the same problem with SJ's. I can spot them from afar, so it isn't usually a problem. I hate the fact that you'll have to carry your goddamn lawbook, the bible and a damn field manual on etiquette any bloody time you happen to be around one. Though this doesn't apply to most ISTJ's I know, I kind of like that temperament. More respect than liking, though.

[Trinity]

Ok a SJ invaded and I was like meh, he was helpful and answered a question, all’s good. But now a SP has infiltrated the ranks. I think an NT hazing is in order :thelook:

*ties Jeffster to the thread and pummels him with an in-depth conversation on the tactics of chess*

[Jeffster]

Ooh. I like chess. And tactics! HARDER, BABY, HARDER!!

[Trinity]

Eff it! :doh:

Jeffster +1
Trin -1

*stops talking tactics, continues to pummel*

[Silently Honest]

I'm only posting because I can.

I don't have NT in my type though :huh:

Oh well :woot:

I can post here too for some reason.

[Ivy]

Shoot file cabinet

Doesn't that seem a bit harsh?

(Yeah, I'll let somebody who has madder skillz than I know that this doesn't appear to be working correctly.)

[Oso Mocoso]

Ygolo, I'll be honest with you.

The other types, they're not as smart as us. Or as cool. There's not much they can do about it.

[entropie]

Ygolo, I'll be honest with you.

The other types, they're not as smart as us. Or as cool. There's not much they can do about it.

penis enlargement wont cost the SJ a million

[Martoon]

To borrow from Ivy's notation:

NT : NF :: moth : flame :wubbie:
NT : SP :: moth : butterfly :party2:
NT : SJ :: moth : naphthalene :banned:

100% awesome, blue. That was brilliant.

Jeffster, that pic you posted frightens me.



Honestly, I get tired of the place inside my head, because I spend so much time living there. I like to be around other types of people. I sense voids in my psyche, and it's nice to interact with other people who can be what I can't.

NFs have expressive abilities that I admire. Also, they have this kind of holistic approach to processing things. NTs excel at discrete logic, where this is true and this is false, therefore, this implies that, unless the following applies, in which case..., etc. But so much of the world isn't like that. So many things are kind of true, in a certain way, and this is sort of like that, but that tends toward this, in a way that you can't really put your finger on..., etc. An NF can take all these nebulous inputs, and make use of them to come to useful conclusions. They can "feel" their way through it.

SPs are a lot of fun. They see the world and they play with it. They don't get bogged down in overcomplicating things. I have fun interacting with them, but I don't really have deep communication with them, and feel like they probably don't get me. But for the way I interact with them, that doesn't matter much.

I admire and appreciate SJs. They're kind of the glue that keeps the world together, keeps it running. I probably click with this type the least, in interpersonal ways. I really feel like they don't get me. But things feel very stable and secure with them around, because I can count on them. I don't have to second guess things.

[Lucifer]

NFs have expressive abilities that I admire. Also, they have this kind of holistic approach to processing things. NTs excel at discrete logic, where this is true and this is false, therefore, this implies that, unless the following applies, in which case..., etc. But so much of the world isn't like that. So many things are kind of true, in a certain way, and this is sort of like that, but that tends toward this, in a way that you can't really put your finger on..., etc. An NF can take all these nebulous inputs, and make use of them to come to useful conclusions. They can "feel" their way through it.

SPs are a lot of fun. They see the world and they play with it. They don't get bogged down in overcomplicating things. I have fun interacting with them, but I don't really have deep communication with them, and feel like they probably don't get me. But for the way I interact with them, that doesn't matter much.

I admire and appreciate SJs. They're kind of the glue that keeps the world together, keeps it running. I probably click with this type the least, in interpersonal ways. I really feel like they don't get me. But things feel very stable and secure with them around, because I can count on them. I don't have to second guess things.

Outside of NT there is no logic other then that of the NF which is merely chaos and in itself is logical. The other two temperments are just wannabes of NT or NF or are in limbo.

[Evan]

Outside of NT there is no logic other then that of the NF which is merely chaos and in itself is logical. The other two temperments are just wannabes of NT or NF or are in limbo.

Pffft.

I can pwn most NTs at logic.

[Lucifer]

You cannot pwn me.

What is your type then ?

[Evan]

You cannot pwn me.

What is your type then ?

Heh, I don't know if I can pwn you. I did say "most" (pwned! :)). Then again, I have the most developed T of any F I've ever met.

I'm an INFJ.

(I was just pointing out that your claim about NT's monopoly over logic definitely doesn't hold in all cases.)

[Lucifer]

There is intelligence, and there is logical thinking.

You can be good at math and not be logical. Logical is also a social aspect where, when it comes down to it, NTs are seperate from there emotions, and are hense more logical.

Your type describes you as a "Counsellor" you are a quick thinker and intelligent, but you still relate and base things on peoples feelings, also known as caring about people, or so the story goes.

[Evan]

There is intelligence, and there is logical thinking.

You can be good at math and not be logical.

Hmm. You mean logical as a state of mind type thing? I guess that's true.

I am very logical, though. My friends call me "Evan-bot" because I'm so obsessed with logic and exactitude.

Logical is also a social aspect where, when it comes down to it, NTs are seperate from there emotions, and are hense more logical.

Separate from emotions is logical? I think it's more logical to factor in emotional reactions and value judgments as merely a specific aspect of reality. You might as well be logical about the full picture instead of separating value judgments out.

Your type describes you as a "Counsellor" you are a quick thinker and intelligent, but you still relate and base things on peoples feelings, also known as caring about people, or so the story goes.

Yes, I definitely care about people and interpret people's feelings quite well. That does not mean I do not have a logical mindset, though.

I actually think I use Ti more readily than Fe anyway, but there's no separate type for Ni/Ti/Fe/Se, so INFJ is my technical type.


Anyway, my point is, I don't think your blanket statement holds in all cases.

[Lucifer]

Separate from emotions is logical? I think it's more logical to factor in emotional reactions and value judgments as merely a specific aspect of reality. You might as well be logical about the full picture instead of separating value judgments out.

Please go back and read my last post, the part about counsellors. This above statement proves my point exactly. Logic is defined as pure reason and facts and is universal. The logic you deal with is more of a persnal one. Dealing with human behaviour (which is not always logical) and is the use of feeling and logic, NF, instead of logic and reason, NT.

Blanket statements are blanket statements because they are not 100% true, but sometimes is neccessary for the sake of time to generalize.

[Evan]

Please go back and read my last post, the part about counsellors. This above statement proves my point exactly. Logic is defined as pure reason and facts and is universal. The logic you deal with is more of a persnal one. Dealing with human behaviour (which is not always logical) and is the use of feeling and logic, NF, instead of logic and reason, NT.

Why couldn't you think of human behavior in terms of probabilities, frameworks, problem solving, etc.?

"Pure reason" <-- what does this even mean? A bunch of if/then statements? I don't see why you couldn't apply that to human behavior. It'd be pretty complex, sure, but it's not like humans are physically made up of anything different than any other object.

Yes, it's true that I focus some of my logical analyses on people (making inferences about what their assumptions are, etc.) But so do NTs. I probably focus on people more than most NTs, but definitely not all of them.

I excel more at math, computer science, physics, etc. than in other subjects in school. I have a math mind. (= a logical mind?)

I've also been typed as INTP multiple times.

My point is essentially that MBTI is quite a limited system, and people should be careful generalizing type characteristics.

[Lucifer]

Alright I didn't want to do this but here we go.

Logic: a system of reasoning
Reason: the capacity for rational thought or inference or discrimination
Feeling: the preference for using valuing during the decision making process

Logic is a system of reasoning not reasoning itself. NT's combine logic and reason for a very impersonnal assessment of how things including people work. And yes Nt's do have the ability to use feeling to read people but are much more comfortable breaking things down into simple forms.

The NF uses logic in a similar but different process and combines feeling with it for a more personnal approach. Such as how you asked if NT could substitute people in as logic, which might be natural for you, using feeling to find, what you would call a more exact answer a balance so to speak. We would call it becoming to personnal. You see blue and yellow, so to get a balanced and fair ansswer you come up with green. Where an NT cannot do that.

Do not pull out the "ive typed as INTP" deal dissonance. For Iif thats what you are you would not have refuted my first statement, and now you are using it as a defence. If you are unsure, take the human metrics test and sit down and really think about your answers, my final one took me about an hour.
And I describe myself as ENTJ.

Finally, yes I do understand it is not concrete because simply being labelled could caue a person to imitate another or rebel against he label. But it is a reasonable approach to the temperments of the human mind.

[Evan]

Alright I didn't want to do this but here we go.

Logic: a system of reasoning
Reason: the capacity for rational thought or inference or discrimination
Feeling: the preference for using valuing during the decision making process

Logic is a system of reasoning not reasoning itself. NT's combine logic and reason for a very impersonnal assessment of how things including people work. And yes Nt's do have the ability to use feeling to read people but are much more comfortable breaking things down into simple forms.

The NF uses logic in a similar but different process and combines feeling with it for a more personnal approach. Such as how you asked if NT could substitute people in as logic, which might be natural for you, using feeling to find, what you would call a more exact answer a balance so to speak. We would call it becoming to personnal. You see blue and yellow, so to get a balanced and fair ansswer you come up with green. Where an NT cannot do that.

NTs can use Feeling just as well as I can use Thinking. They can achieve balance just as easily.

Although, since you're an ETJ, you have inferior Feeling. Your Thinking and Feeling are as separated as possible in the system (in 1st and 4th position). My Feeling is in 2nd position, and my Thinking is in 3rd, which means it's probably easier for me to find a balance.

The grey area between NFs and NTs is more of an issue when talking about INJs and ENPs (since they have 2nd and 3rd position judgment, as opposed to 1st and 4th in ENJs and ITPs).

Do not pull out the "ive typed as INTP" deal dissonance. For Iif thats what you are you would not have refuted my first statement, and now you are using it as a defence.

My point in bringing that up was that I exhibit traits that would be called NT traits -- I'm not using it as defense, I'm using it to show the bounds of the MBTI system.

If you are unsure, take the human metrics test and sit down and really think about your answers, my final one took me about an hour.
And I describe myself as ENTJ.

I have, and I test as INTP. I'm not an INTP, though -- I just happen to be a very T F. And a very P J. The tests can't accurately discern types for balanced people.

Finally, yes I do understand it is not concrete because simply being labelled could caue a person to imitate another or rebel against he label. But it is a reasonable approach to the temperments of the human mind.

I see what you're saying. NTs are generally better than NFs at logic. I agree with that statement.

Here's what I have a problem with:

They are merely people, they cannot be more then that. NT's can be truth therefore it can be challenging to communicate with people when they do not understand truth.

Outside of NT there is no logic other then that of the NF which is merely chaos and in itself is logical. The other two temperments are just wannabes of NT or NF or are in limbo.

I don't think the condescending attitude makes much sense. I've yet to be "stumped" by an NT's logic ever in my life.

[Lucifer]

They are my views on the system. the MBTI made two extremes, the rationals and the idealists, and then gave them two children. althought it is balanced, like we have talked about it is still not perfect and sinc it was created by people it shouldn't be.

Yes I am very condescending to the few things that appear to me to be of little importance, which is Artisans and Guardians, who are like the canvas idealists and rationals paint on.

[InaF3157]

How I do view:
NTs vs. NFs: Pretty much OK, I just hate trying to argue with them, because generally they suck at logic. They can't follow a straight line, they always (more or less) mix up emotions and fact.

NTs vs. SPs: Usually ok, though the Feelers are usually a bit annoying.

NTs vs. SJs: Can only put up with ISTJ's. They complete me, and usually have a form of logic that I respect. The rest of the SJ's annoy me, and I would rather die than have one in a position over me. I loathe law-abiding traditional twits.

I agree with a lot of this.
An NT - NF argument:

NF: 2+2 = 4. It follows that you need to adopt my fuzzy feelings about that the transcendence of unicorns.
NT (exasperated): But that has NOTHING to do with it.
NF (after sighing): OMGWTF! YOU ARE AN UNHEALTHY xNTx!
NT (muttering): Feelers . . . :dont:



I actually like the more laidback SJs *half* the time.
SPs - I have a weird thing where I'm drawn to the ISPs - in a weird protective way, but I feel that they think I am evil or there's some other kind of way we don't get each other.

[Jack Flak]

The NT Private Forum appears to have experienced an ERROR between idea and execution... New Topic: "Should NT Private Forums be private?"

[INTJMom]

...
How do you view:
NTs vs. NFs?
I like NFs for the most part because the ones I know are nice, intelligent, kind-hearted. Personally, I prefer a conversation with an N because we are likely going to discuss something not skin-deep. My INFP sister and I both agree that having a conversation with an S can be a shallow experience.

NTs vs. SPs?I am a very serious person and relate to SPs the least. What's weird though is I was attracted to an SP and we've been married for 26 years. We have an SP son and I had such a hard time learning to understand and accept that type, especially trying to see the positive qualities of that type, mostly because it was so opposite of me and what I believed people are supposed to believe and the way we're supposed to behave. As I said, I had to learn to appreciate him, but now that I have, he is very dear to me. If it wasn't for my SP son, I would hardly ever have any excitement in my life. :D ("Mom, can I ride my bike off the roof?")

NTs vs. SJs?I respect SJs. I admire their discipline. I hate the hoops they make me jump through. I frequently wish I could be more like them.

You didn't ask about NTs, but I'd like to address that:
INTP - the type I am most likely to distrust.
ENTP - the type I most easily adore.
INTJ - the type I feel most compassion for, since I know how hard it is to be an INTJ.
ENTJ - the type that feels most like a steamroller, but who I also admire.

[Xander]

NT vs NF.
Love them to bits. Mostly uncomplicated people with certainty behind their principles (I realise I'm crossing types here but I care not about the standard nomenclature). I especially love ENFJs.. even when they're on a mission and listening to none but themselves. INFPs can be a pain if they get upset and ENFPs do my sweed when they're upset but when on an even keel I like all NF types without exception. Now loving all NFs themselves... well that's a different kettle of fish.

I think the only type of NF that causes me problems is INFJs and that's only because usually I can't get to the bit behind the thinking for all the walls, deep moats and everything else. I hate talking to facades!

NT vs SP.
These types are great. Free thinkers unworried by how things interconnect, at least from my perspective. Of course they can also be a pain especially with the tendancy to repeat the same description instead of answering a question like "what on earth are you on about?"

NT vs SJ.
Well the FSJs I have little problem with.. once I understand how their values play out. After that it's a simple matter of conforming and not over stepping the boundaries. They can be tiring though. ISTJs I also enjoy the company of.. but possibly only because I only know one and he's smart enough to wonder why I disagree... even if he has sworn off discussing things with me in the past because I kept persuading him.

ESTJs are both my bane and my current employers. I basically absorb their criticisms and try to get along. It's not always possible but I find I do get respect for standing my ground even if they can't see why it's worthwhile to do so. I think proving them wrong also does me some good.

[Jeffster]

Yes I am very condescending to the few things that appear to me to be of little importance, which is Artisans and Guardians, who are like the canvas idealists and rationals paint on.

I LOVE THE WAY YOU PAINT ON ME BABY

[Jack Flak]

HAHAHA

[colmena]

Staunch NTs amuse me. HarHarHar.

Is there a logic test available? I'm OK with logic, it's insight that escapes me at times.

[Uytuun]

Staunch NTs amuse me. HarHarHar.

Is there a logic test available? I'm OK with logic, it's insight that escapes me at times.

Logic=INTP

Insight=INTJ

[Jack Flak]

Logic=INTP

Insight=INTJ
Your insight has failed you.

[Morgan Le Fay]

Your insight has failed you.

:rofl1:
you r 2 cool 4 skool!

[Evan]

Logic=INTP

Insight=INTJ

Logic can be Te or Ti, so logic dominants would be ETJs or ITPs.

(Not that I'm contradicting you really)

[Nocap]

Ah yes, dissonance, but we shant forget the wonders of intuitive collectivism. The entire board can become fully coherent (as appears often to be the case with you, and probably, equally as often with myself) once sufficient factors are accounted for where prior to that, it seemed like nothing more than banality.
It's a learned skill -- not all intuitives can achieve this sudden but thorough understanding, but it certainly happens.

I've found myself dicking around in a video game doing a piss-poor job, when all of a sudden, as if by magic, everything snaps together cohesively and everything is explained suddenly, whereupon I begin to nuke ass and destroy my opponents.

[Evan]

Yup, Intuition is pretty sweet.

Lol.

[Nocap]

It helps me to nuke ass.
You're damned right it's sweet.


How are you posting here?

[Airporte]

NF-NT
I don't think I've ever really got to know one, actually. Not on a deeper level, at least. I think there is one girl in my Spanish class who's like the NF type. She seems really kind, so I think I'd be able to get along well enough with the whole group as long as I don't feel as if I'm walking on eggshells.

NT-NT
Never got to know one well enough. There may be a few hanging around school, and I probably spoke with them and stuff. There was one guy who became a friend, but I didn't really know what to do with him when he went into debate mode or anything outside of the typical "How was your weekend?" thing. Though, we did occasionally toss a few hypothetical scenarios between the two of us and other kids at the lunch table. They weren't anything particularly profound, however. Overall, it's kind of akward when interacting with them, assuming they're like the NT type, I think. At least it is in my mind.

SP-NT
I have a few acquaintances/friends of the sort. They're cool enough, but I don't talk to them very often inside or outside of school.

SJ-NT
You know, funnily enough, I think I know how to work with these guys the most, and am able to get to know them more. I think one of my closer friends is an sJ, and the rest don't mind me much at all, really. It's probably because of my mom, who shared similar personality traits with them. I only really hung around with her, and spent most of my time with her, and not nearly as much with anyone else outside of a formal atmosphere. Through her, I learned how she worked, socially, I guess, and used that as my format for communicating with other people. Or maybe not. I could just be making stuff up.

[Haphazard]

For some reason, I've always had trouble with NP types...

[ygolo]

I don't know what to do about my Frankenthread.

NT-NF
Share a common penchant for abstraction and exploring the pervasive generalities of life. Differ in general in the style and content of those generalities....generally :cheese:.

NT-SP
Share many of the same interests and activities and a penchant for making things and excelling at whatever it is we are doing. Differ in the degree of detail, and concrete attention paid to what is being done.

NT-SJ
Fellow work-a-holics. Both can loose perspective on our work and have it take a life of its own. Share perfectionist tendencies, but can be counted on to regularly aim and achieve the "best" in class or company or group. When I looked at who had the highest grades in college, or the best specs. on design projects they tended to be other NTs or SJs--I was an engineering/math major. Differ, however, in how much we "carried forward." Seemed like SJs were focus more on the current project and much less on what was needed in the future.

[BlackOp]

How I do view:


NTs vs. SJs: Can only put up with ISTJ's. They complete me, and usually have a form of logic that I respect.





My best friend (of 15 years) is an istj. They are as "rare" as we....I wish I was one. They have more fun.

[Bella]

My best friend (of 15 years) is an istj. They are as "rare" as we....I wish I was one. They have more fun.

I've read the opposite. Supposedly we're all over the show.

[Jack Flak]

ISTJs aren't exactly rare, and besides, good luck finding reliable statistics.

[xNTP]

Moved to Private NT Forum, per OP.

[Haphazard]

ISTJs aren't really rare. They're just very good at hiding.

[Ishida]

This isn't really universal, but here goes.

SJ: Stuck in their ways, though at other times will find you an "interesting specimen." Think all people should be the same, those who work differently are "weird".
SP: I get along well with them. They don't expect much out of me and I don't expect much out of them. You can't get too deep with them which results in limited exposure, but there is still potential to connect.
NF: Someone you can learn from, usually will at least entertain your ideas and give you some to entertain yourself. The only one I know writes, and well it is nice to listen to. But they have their dark sides, which annoy me more than any SJ can.
NT: Tend to think you're inferior if you're not an atheist.

[Usehername]

I've loved someone dearly from every type I've met.

I don't think type bothers me so much as worldview + type. When those things don't mix well together (speaking purely from my outside perception of said individuals) I feel the urge to get away fast.

[ceecee]

I don't care. I have some issue with SP's that's true but I don't use type to decide what/who I like.

[IlyaK1986]

NFs: idealistic morons that have huge dreams but won't ever make them work because there's this thing called human nature that stops every single one of them.

SPs: So can we please produce something of value and not have to live on welfare while we're starving artists?

SJs: I particularly hate these with a passion. Them and their bureaucracy has punched me in the gut more times than I can count. I fucking hate authority and bureaucracy. Die, you damn politicians and bureaucrats!

[booyalab]

NT-NT I can be my nerdy self and they usually don't stare blankly or get offended

NT-NF They get me more than SJs and I can make them laugh but it gets boring because they rarely make me laugh. Sorry, NFs you're not funny. :ninja:

NT-SJ The only ones I get along with are related to me...and even then only in small doses please. Even though I usually don't get confrontational with them when they say things that boggle my mind, it still makes me crazy on the inside.
Some example SJ comments I've heard recently.
"ew, someone's t-shirt and socks(clean and neatly folded) are on that table (not used to eat). That is so disgusting I can't believe it!"
"oh yes, I've heard of myers briggs, but I wouldn't presume to know anything about it or talk about it because I'm not licensed and you shouldn't either" (wtf?)
"Honey, we don't open umbrellas indoors. It's bad luck. Close it now"

NT-SP They're less grating than SJs, though the unpredictability and utter lack of concern for others (with Es mainly) scares and annoys me a bit /J......I usually find ISTPs and ISFPs pleasant to be around

[substitute]

I can think of examples of people of every type that I've got along with fantastically... but to take my general experiences of all...

I'm allergic to INFJ's. Just completely allergic, man. In fact, FJ's generally make me feel sick to death of being judged and disapproved of, or told how I feel, what I think, and what's best for me.

The only F's that make me laugh are ENFP's. The only T's that don't are ESTJ's.

Introverts generally make me feel constantly smacked down and like they look down on me (oh you're so shallow and insecure for needing human company and talking! why can't you survive as a hermit and transmit your thoughts telepathically - or even better, in text format, like we healthy people!), and wear me out with mixed messages ("I do want this friendship... I just don't think it's worth putting any work into"), except ISxP's, who seem unique amongst introverts in knowing the skills involved how to actually have friends :laugh: they're the only ones I seem to see on the whole who understand that it's a two way street. The rest seem to treat people as disposable or sorta 'convenience friends' - y'know, on the rare occasion they feel like some human company we've got to pull out all the stops and understand that we're on trial and this is our chance to prove our worth to them... but then we're to go back home and leave them alone until the next time, and if we need someone in the intervening time, we're to look elsewhere. Note, they never have to prove their worth - it's a test of our worth to just perceive theirs by the smouldering intelligence in their eyes :rolleyes:

Apart from the FJ's, no issues generally with the E's.

[Haphazard]

Introverts generally make me feel constantly smacked down and like they look down on me (oh you're so shallow and insecure for needing human company and talking! why can't you survive as a hermit and transmit your thoughts telepathically - or even better, in text format, like we healthy people!), and wear me out with mixed messages ("I do want this friendship... I just don't think it's worth putting any work into"), except ISxP's, who seem unique amongst introverts in knowing the skills involved how to actually have friends :laugh: they're the only ones I seem to see on the whole who understand that it's a two way street. The rest seem to treat people as disposable or sorta 'convenience friends' - y'know, on the rare occasion they feel like some human company we've got to pull out all the stops and understand that we're on trial and this is our chance to prove our worth to them... but then we're to go back home and leave them alone until the next time, and if we need someone in the intervening time, we're to look elsewhere. Note, they never have to prove their worth - it's a test of our worth to just perceive theirs by the smouldering intelligence in their eyes :rolleyes:

And isn't this why God gave Extraverts such boundless energy? To deal with this sort of behavior?

Geez.




I need a nap.

[substitute]

That sounds like the kind of argument my friend makes, who hasn't had a job for years because as he unashamedly admits, he just doesn't like to work. And then we go out, and he expects everyone else to pay for him because we have more money. He thinks we're like, morally obliged or something, like there's nothing wrong with him expecting this... like as if the reason everyone else earns money is so that they can spend it subbing him so he doesn't have to bother... hahaha...

[Haphazard]

That sounds like the kind of argument my friend makes, who hasn't had a job for years because as he unashamedly admits, he just doesn't like to work. And then we go out, and he expects everyone else to pay for him because we have more money. He thinks we're like, morally obliged or something, like there's nothing wrong with him expecting this... like as if the reason everyone else earns money is so that they can spend it subbing him so he doesn't have to bother... hahaha...

Pssh. He's not entitled to your money. Why is he your friend, anyway?

But I know for sure that I wouldn't want to put up with me. I wonder, why would anybody? Seriously, I'm pretty sure if there were only introverts, they wouldn't be able to stand each other.

[booyalab]

Pssh. He's not entitled to your money. Why is he your friend, anyway? Yeah, sounds like he has deeper problems than being an introvert.


But I know for sure that I wouldn't want to put up with me. I wonder, why would anybody? Seriously, I'm pretty sure if there were only introverts, they wouldn't be able to stand each other.
Probably, we wouldn't have any extroverts to make fun of.

But seriously, I think introverts get judged way more than extroverts. I don't see how it could be any other way in the USA. It's worse if you're a girl because at least if you're a guy you can be seen as the "strong silent type". But from what I can tell, most girls have this strong communal instinct that I wasn't granted. I don't understand why I have to pretend to be best friends and empathize with someone just because we can both theoretically have babies.

[Haphazard]

I don't understand why I have to pretend to be best friends and empathize with someone just because we can both theoretically have babies.

If you can't theoretically have babies, are you exempt from this?

[Orangey]

If you can't theoretically have babies, are you exempt from this?

No, it's the appearance of being theoretically able to have babies.

[blanclait]

NT - i love them. they aren't annoying like SJ's
I'm especially envious of ENTP's drive to apply what they actually learn.
And INTJ's structure.

NF - i tend to like NF's for most part, they are creative individuals. and i can appreciate their views of the world. So i can actually share my views and actually connect.
infp being my favourite.

SJ - they tend to be annoying esp in discussions. Lot of what they state is based on personal experience. And they keep coming back with nonsense. so i tend to avoid discussion with them at all cost.
especially these "roles" in life, really bothers me. But along as they don't bark back at every statement i can get along relatively fine. i have a good friend who is ISTJ.

SP - They are relatively fine. Afterall my mother is Sp too, so i guess i'm kinda used to it. Unless their ESxP they seem to reserved for most part.

[Sinister Scribe]

My sister is an INFP and we get along quite well. Most NFs really irk me if they are too caught up in aspects of feeling... just don't argue about anything personal with them. Or better yet, don't argue with them at all. Many lack the sheer rationality and allow themselves to get caught up with their feelings rather than the facts.

My roommate is an ISTP and we get along quite well... for the most part. I don't know many SPs. I tend to get along fairly well with most SJs I know.

One of my close online friends is a very strong ENTP and I love reading back over the IM conversations we've had because we get along quite well, but argue about so many things. ENTPs tend to be able to make me laugh.

Most extroverts - except for ENTPs and ENTJs, oddly enough - tend to annoy me. I don't like the fact that extroverts seem to need other people around them. Maybe it's just that I don't understand why they do... and some of them don't understand that we introverts just like being left to our own company.

[ZiL]

NF - I tend to get along with them pretty well. Sometimes I feel like I have to walk on eggshells though - and while I'm busy doing this one of them will suddenly side-swipe me with a strong opinion... It's hard to explain, but it annoys me. Like, they'll try to come at me from a realm of personal opinion about a topic when I was just speaking hypothetically, not intending to express any personal opinion of my own. And as they formulate their own personal opinion about what I've said, they'll insert what they assume to be mine, even though I didn't intend to express one, and I didn't want the conversation to go down that road at all. It's just a wierd disconnect sometimes. That hyper-individuality/originality stuff can rub me the wrong way at times too. But I generally really like NF's.

SP - Don't know many. I think I know an ISFP and she's cool. Except when she's going on about the finer details of the plumbing problem in her house and how she intends to fix it.

SJ - Usually things go fine with them. I know a lot of SJ's. Though I hate it when they pull out the self-righteous crap. Sometimes I feel they look at me as a novelty not meant to be taken seriously. They'll laugh at my jokes and say that they think I'm really smart, but then turn around and harrass me for not having a boyfriend or not having 5 jobs like they do or not having a set schedule, or whatever else. And when I try to argue, I can tell they've blocked me already and it's totally futile. They'll hear me, but they won't listen.

I forgot.

NT - I tend to enjoy NT's, though the few NTJ's I know can drive me a little nuts at times. The ones I know are both really confident but also try their hardest to be really wierd. It can be hard to have a serious conversations at times, because somehow it'll all devolve into a "who can say the wierdest catchphrase in this context" contest. And while I'm all for that, I think it has its time and place. And they don't seem to agree with me on that. They're also 19-21 year-old guys though, so that could be a huge part of it. The NT females I know are awesome.

[Risen]

I think NT's have the absolute highest potential for intelligence. But, where one is strong they are also weak elesewhere. Everyone with their many personalities and temperments have their roles in this world and serve their purposes admirably. Some are meant to be scientists and great thinkers, others are meant to throw the greatest parties of all time. None is better than the other, they're all needed for balance.

[substitute]

I go through phases of hating and then liking INTP's... often it depends on my own I/E cycle, and I'll tend to 'hate' whatever's most like the parts of me I dislike at the time. Or the parts of that type description, anyway, if that makes any sense...

I've just recently been thinking that ISFJ's are actually pretty awesome.

But I've also been thinking how gigantic the variation of personalities there is within a single type, and yet without there being any doubt of the person's type. Take ISFJ's for example: you get really rockin', cool, calm, unjudgemental ones like Jae Rae - and then you get total basket case ones like my sister can be a lotta the time, just taking out everything on everyone whenever she's pissed or things don't go as expected for her, and so very, very judgemental.

It's just something that makes me marvel, that's all.

[Synarch]

Oh, I've amassed my own appraisal of each type based on my own experience. I hope it is valuable to you:

ENFJ - Good guys, sensitive, excitable. Hard working. Gossips.
ENFP - Lovable, flakes, dramatic. Sometimes paranoid attention whores.
INFJ - Friendly rule followers. Verbal intellectuals. Often solid and / or chubby. Into music on a near mystical level, almost as a rule. Sensitive.
ESFJ - Bossy, efficient.
ESFP - Partiers, very friendly
ISFJ - Friendly, pushovers yet stubborn. Very caring. Gullible.
ISFP
ENTJ - Hard-nosed, confident. Somewhat conventional and unimaginative.
INTJ - Scientists, funny. Do what they say they will do.
ENTP - Charming, flakes
INTP - Flakey, nerds, gear heads, critical expressiveness. Somewhat depressive.
ESTJ - Boring, friendly. Bossy if in a position to be.
INFP - Idealistic flakes, prone to hypochondria or unusual medical conditions. Maybe internally very sensitive to bodily states? Difficult to get to know, but once they accept you, you're in.

[Jack Flak]

ENTPs: Louder and more impulsive than INTPs. Could be as smart if they weren't so concerned with premature action. Need for group activity is amusing and counter-productive for whatever their chosen areas of "excellence." Often get decent jobs an INTP would be 5x better at because they know people. Etcetera.

[Synarch]

Often get decent jobs an INTP would be 5x better at because they know people. Etcetera.

Interesting. I read study recently where people self-reported that they would prefer to work with someone incompetent yet likable rather than someone competent and unlikable. I have gotten every job I have ever had (nearly without exception) through people I've known or even met online.

I even interviewed for a position once, didn't get the job, and made friends with the VP in the interview. I kept in touch for 2 years and he later offered me a job out of the blue.

[Jack Flak]

Interesting. I read study recently where people self-reported that they would prefer to work with someone incompetent yet likable rather than someone competent and unlikable. I have gotten every job I have ever had (nearly without exception) through people I've known or even met online. I even interviewed for a position once, didn't get the job, and made friends with the VP in the interview. I kept in touch for 2 years and he later offered me a job out of the blue.
Precisely. I wasn't talking out of my ass. I just left out the "good" qualities.

[xNTP]

NTs vs. NFs?

NTs are better at efficiency. They're better at arguing fine points, and they can assemble the big picture pretty quickly. Although NTs can see the bigger picture, NFs have a certain intimacy with it that NTs don't have that can make their bigger picture deeper and richer. I think they live life with the same overall success rate, while...

NTs vs. SPs?

SPs, I get the impression, are more skilled at living life because they aren't pestered as much by their shortcomings. SPs can be really wild (if extraverted) or really tactical. In tactical stuff, they dominate. Knowing how to operate a big system. NTs might be good at building it, but I think they tire out when it comes to operation. The ISPs can get into something like that because they don't need their intuition stoked (stroked?) all the time. I admire the proprioception that I associate with SP athletes, as well as their musical prowess.

NTs vs. SJs?

ESTJ I can't stand, in general. I don't get along with SJs that are in superior positions to mine. If SJs are serving as subordinates, I'm fine with that. In fact, it's probably a good thing, since I like to take control of the planning and detest implementing. Other than that, I have some bad things to say (some good) but I can't generalize it because I don't know too many of these people intimately.

[substitute]

LOL Jack, go count your sour grapes before they hatch, or som'n :rolleyes:

(btw I'd really LOVE to see an INTP do my job at all, let alone 5x better)

[Maverick]

I can think of examples of people of every type that I've got along with fantastically... but to take my general experiences of all...

I'm allergic to INFJ's. Just completely allergic, man. In fact, FJ's generally make me feel sick to death of being judged and disapproved of, or told how I feel, what I think, and what's best for me.

The only F's that make me laugh are ENFP's. The only T's that don't are ESTJ's.

Introverts generally make me feel constantly smacked down and like they look down on me (oh you're so shallow and insecure for needing human company and talking! why can't you survive as a hermit and transmit your thoughts telepathically - or even better, in text format, like we healthy people!), and wear me out with mixed messages ("I do want this friendship... I just don't think it's worth putting any work into"), except ISxP's, who seem unique amongst introverts in knowing the skills involved how to actually have friends :laugh: they're the only ones I seem to see on the whole who understand that it's a two way street. The rest seem to treat people as disposable or sorta 'convenience friends' - y'know, on the rare occasion they feel like some human company we've got to pull out all the stops and understand that we're on trial and this is our chance to prove our worth to them... but then we're to go back home and leave them alone until the next time, and if we need someone in the intervening time, we're to look elsewhere. Note, they never have to prove their worth - it's a test of our worth to just perceive theirs by the smouldering intelligence in their eyes :rolleyes:

Apart from the FJ's, no issues generally with the E's.

Have to agree with alot of that

Oh, I've amassed my own appraisal of each type based on my own experience. I hope it is valuable to you:

ENFJ - Good guys, sensitive, excitable. Hard working. Gossips.
ENFP - Lovable, flakes, dramatic. Sometimes paranoid attention whores.
INFJ - Friendly rule followers. Verbal intellectuals. Often solid and / or chubby. Into music on a near mystical level, almost as a rule. Sensitive.
ESFJ - Bossy, efficient.
ESFP - Partiers, very friendly
ISFJ - Friendly, pushovers yet stubborn. Very caring. Gullible.
ISFP
ENTJ - Hard-nosed, confident. Somewhat conventional and unimaginative.
INTJ - Scientists, funny. Do what they say they will do.
ENTP - Charming, flakes
INTP - Flakey, nerds, gear heads, critical expressiveness. Somewhat depressive.
ESTJ - Boring, friendly. Bossy if in a position to be.
INFP - Idealistic flakes, prone to hypochondria or unusual medical conditions. Maybe internally very sensitive to bodily states? Difficult to get to know, but once they accept you, you're in.

QFT

NT with NT: Interactions I prefer. NT's can take the truth, are laid back about reality, and don't create unnecessary drama.

NT with NF: I find that if I grunt from time to agree we get along great.

NT with SP: They're OK really. The only thing is that we tend to have a different definition of the word "FUN".

NT with SJ: I like these folks a great deal even though I don't have much to say to them.

[Trinity]

ISFP - Artistic and fun; smell like musty patchouli.

WTF :laugh:

[Night]

ENFJ - Charisma; the sort of emotional heft that can energize a crowd without saying a word. Coffee breath.
INFP - Symbolic; highly attuned to what they want; like Korn and Primus; call music, "tunes".
ENFP - Wacky; childlike enthusiasm braided with untouchable optimism. Heart-shaped sunglasses. Candy cigarettes.
INFJ - Powerful emotional architecture; an unspoken desire to uplift humanity. Wear eyeliner regardless of gender.

ESFJ - Motherly; cheek-pinchers. Aunts. Bad at respecting personal boundaries. Rarely knock.
ESFP - Tongue piercing; Mardi Gras; Extreme Sports; Cautionless -- an enviable lust for life.
ISFJ - Quiet suffering; genuine. Self-sacrificing. Often found clawing their way out of gym lockers...
ISFP - Artistic and fun; smell like musty patchouli. Sketching charcoal under their fingernails. Enjoy Everybody Loves Raymond.

ENTJ - Great talkers; enjoy opinion-sharking. Fun to debate. Libertarian. Usually have Italian shoes. Always shouting.
INTJ - Mismatched socks. Try too hard to sell IQ. Like to brag. Sweaty palms. Often single.
INTP - Goatees; Roll their own cigarettes. Strong conversationalists. Sip tea.
ENTP - Boundless potential; the scientist who base-jumps. Mythbusters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Savage) Adam Savage. Love to touch you when they speak.

ISTP - Efficiency-minded realists. Great to pair up with during projects. Usually armed.
ESTP - Hilarious. Bill Murray. Chewing tobacco indent in their bluejeans. Arm-punchers.
ISTJ - Details. Great penmanship. Brilliant with giving directions. At least a red belt in Karate.
ESTJ - Opinionated; hard to intellectually connect with. Wear ties with short-sleeve shirts. Always wear Old Spice.

[Morgan Le Fay]

^ superb!

[ZiL]

ISFP - Enjoy Everybody Loves Raymond.


Lol, the only ISFP I know loves...Raymond!

[Chi'xer]

I've loved someone dearly from every type I've met.

I don't think type bothers me so much as worldview + type. When those things don't mix well together (speaking purely from my outside perception of said individuals) I feel the urge to get away fast.

agreed.

Type + values (chosen ones & not imposed/default ones) = the person to a large extent, and that is who we deal with. either one of the two i.e. type difference or differing values, can trump the other when a combination of both are considered. And that is what can, I guess, seem to make seemingly 'similar' people/personalities not so great together and seemingly 'different' people/personalities work perfectly well together. Its more like art or organic in nature and less like a plug and play oriented science/logic/modular machine like 'system'. Tradition and norm can sometimes verify this and since sustaining life is the bare minimum and maximizing progress the 'realistic' ideal, the organic nature of this combination and interaction is what endures.

[Airius]

I'd like to think that I can find common ground with any personality type.
Regardless of MBTI, the individual always comes first.

[Chemgrl82]

In order of preference:

NT + NT = Hard to trump

NT + NF = There's something to be said for mature NFs, that's for sure. I'd choose them over any other temperment outside of another NT.

NT + SJ = This was hard. Hard to admit to getting along with an SJ. I think ISJs are ok, it's the ESJs I can't do.

NT +SP = All I've known are ESTPs. Not so much on that.

[clarabelle99]

My impressions are;
NTs vs. NFs- NFs are sweet, romantic, melanchology souls, who live in their own world (more so than us NTs). However, they have a strong tendancy to become overinvolved with everyone they meet, they get right under your skin and do not know the meaning of 'personal barriers'. They are endless, hopeless idealists...
NTs vs. SPs- SPs think life should be about fun and being the centre of everyones attention...they rarely take anything seriously and live for the moment...they are both fun (at times) and really frustrating to be around! To their credit, they are happy in their own skins and fit comfortably into the everyday world...
NTs vs SJs- SJs are the upholders of tradition, duty, continuity, social norms etc- they are reliable and dependable....but...they have no imagination whatsoever, are often fearful of the future, conservative and set in their ways..they think only their experience is vaild and cannot tolerate anything that is a bit weird, dark, odd, eccdentric or strange- they like everything to be 'normal' (their own version of 'normal'). They need a good shove to try anything new and can be really pedantic at times...

What does anyone esle think? NFs are the most likely to try and understand NTs and are very compassionate folks..

[entropie]

I really never think anything.

But I feel an aura of prominent madmen

[Nancynobullets]

Interesting. I read study recently where people self-reported that they would prefer to work with someone incompetent yet likable rather than someone competent and unlikable. I have gotten every job I have ever had (nearly without exception) through people I've known or even met online.

I even interviewed for a position once, didn't get the job, and made friends with the VP in the interview. I kept in touch for 2 years and he later offered me a job out of the blue.

Indeed, it is interesting. Dare I say I can be both likable and competent? I may be as extroverted as a deep-sea clam, but anybody who knows me well likes me. I handle my workplace interactions with a naive honesty. Throw in a little wit and the ability to stand up to office bullies and I'm suddenly everyones favourite friend.

They like me too much to be honest. It can be very hard to get rid of them.

*Back on topic*

NFs - I have had very little RL interaction with them. Although one lady I used to work with was an NF. She was lovely and it was enjoyable discussing ideas with her. She understand me completely and had much to add herself, even if it was a bit too much people-focused.

SJs - The extroverted ones can be very irritating. They have a very annoying habbit of excusing their incorrection by stating that your argument is "just your opinion". And then they will continue to ignore any shred of reason you try and introduce to the conversation that proves them wrong.
It's not that im opinionated, it's that some SJ's can argue that the sky is purple if it makes them feel better.

[Nancynobullets]

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Three pages and no posting of this classic (http://www.geocities.com/verafides/mbti)??

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[freemarketpopulist]

The key is to portray yourself as a sheep. In doing so you'll start to notice the sheep who portray themselves as lions...

[Nigel Tufnel]

NF - touchy feely weaklings
SP - poseurs who can't develop their own ideas
SJ - drones

[Ardea]

NFs - amazing, fun people. I like arguing with them. I also like to just... be around them.
SPs - They snuff out my arguments. But they're so much fun!!! More for socializing and less for serious conversation.
SJs - When it's time for fun, they're down! But otherwise, I respect them, and they try to respect me. They remind me that there are some things to this world that are worth keeping sacred... and how I should act.

[simulatedworld]

Awful, just awful, I can't even believe I put up with any of them.

May I have your autograph?

[simulatedworld]

NFs--The older I get the more I appreciate my NF friends more than anybody. I like how they look out for my best interests but also can see the big picture well enough to realize when their help is unnecessary/unwanted. I adore NF women in bed.

SPs--I have a few SP friends, and our bonds are usually over common interests, but unfortunately we always conceptualize these interests so differently that I have a hard time really connecting with them the way I can connect with most Ns. Nonetheless, I always appreciate them when I really need someone to just let loose and party with! I'm a very strong P myself so their flexibility and spontaneity make them cool to just hang around with on a slow day. Or when I need my car fixed.

SJs--Fuck 'em.

Nah, seriously though I have a couple of SFJ acquaintances (plus my mother is ESFJ) and they're fine. Sometimes they go a little over the top with their "helpful suggestions", but I can always tell that, even when they're being closed-minded and short-sighted, they really have my best interests at heart so I don't really hold it against them. They generally can't help it. I also don't tend to have common interests with them too often, but I have one ESFJ friend who plays guitar in one my bands and he's probably my favorite SJ that I know. (It's also interesting to look at the differences in the way we approach music--he goes to music school, is very by-the-book and traditional theory oriented. I dropped out of music school and prefer to apply a lot of theory as well, but only insofar as it doesn't hinder my broader goals. He likes the formal theoretical rules on principle.)

And you know, I generally don't have *that* much of a problem with most ISTJs, either, because my over-the-top ENTP personality seems to mostly confuse and intimidate them so we tend to just avoid each other.

But if there's an ESTJ in my personal space, Lord help that poor son of a bitch. (Actually Lord, don't. Help ME, this poor bastard who has to deal with a fucking ESTJ for any prolonged period of time!)

[SUPER]

SJ - annoying
SP - annoying
NF - confused
NT - funny, intelligent

[EcK]

Three pages and no posting of this classic (http://www.geocities.com/verafides/mbti)??

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yeah ^^ I thought about posting it today, but then i felt really lazy and laid back into my overly confortable chair while smoking my lucky strikes. Holidays people, the best thing ever!
The key is to portray yourself as a sheep. In doing so you'll start to notice the sheep who portray themselves as lions...

this is SO true! I'm really BORED of people IRL and even on this forum thinking they are the hotest thing around. One can pretty much smell the delusional bullshit through the screen:doh::doh:

ps: dont take me wrong, I sometimes feel like having drinks\parties\(wild sex) with a good part of a thread.

Back to the topic:

My interactions with a few types:
Entp: : the witty clown who stole your job.
Intp: ah, the intp, love them or\and hate them. Available in a wide variety of tastes and shapes. Will steal your soul and your jokes if left in your proximity for a prolonged period of time. Can really help one to develope ideas into something consistent. Not too strong on the practical aspect of things but really good support coupled with an E within a team.
Intj: Seems cold and distant, can BE cold and distant. Won't be overly bothered by formal jobs (accountant and so on). I'm a huge fan of their somewhat dry humor. Have a high risk factor for cyclical desocialization (Think bears during a hard winter, without the warm and fuzzy side)
Entj: Efficient, logical, cool minded yet somewhat brutal. Make good CEOs. Are usually richer than you. Interesting yet scary. probably hell spawns.
Enfj: Stimulating cheerful people, quite exciting. I suspect they are the reason why spring comes every now and then. Sometimes surprisingly close to an entp yet so different. I love you guys!
Infj: Independant yet so attached. Only kind I know so amazingly able to give me a totally fresh perspective on things. While An immature Infj will both piss off and fascinate. A mature Infj is a mystery one is compelled to digg into, yet doubt ever solving it: That's the best part. I dont know lots of INFJs. But hey, I'm open to suggestions and make very good white russians.


The xSFJ knights of the holy Norm.
Don't take me wrong, some can be alright, but I never had a truly life changing experience with one of those and I pretty much forget they ever existed once I wave my hands goodbye. Not saying they are the devil (yes they are), just really not compatible with the whacky guy who will destroy ur argument for sports while smiling like an overgrown kid. They take things so damn seriously in a sense, and seem like they couldn't see potential for greatness if it hit them in the eye.

[Mister Eyebrows]

Like everyone here, I seem to have the most to say about SJs.

NFs
They're the type that I'm prone to have deep, confusing relationships with. We get close to each other, and then we end up burning each other at times. It's like we can't have just superficial relationships, but then when our relationships develop, we clash more often than I'd like.

They can't understand when I need my space, and I can't understand when they need to hear from me all the time.

They have a good way of bringing out certain emotions in me.. .. especially guilt.

I've got a lot to learn from NFs, though. They're typically very sociable and charismatic, and they know better than I how to read other people. They'd probably make great business partners.


SPs
Many of my pool hall, game night, and dance friends are SPs. They're especially great for more superficial relationships where I just want to go out and have fun, but they can't understand when I want to stay by myself to have fun and fulfillment.

I can imagine getting to know some of them on a deeper level, but it doesn't usually happen. When it does, though, I find that they have a lot to offer from their completely different perspective.


SJs
While their tendency to hide behind policy and "rules" irks me at times, I definitely appreciate their attention to detail.

For example, I work very actively with my SJ boss, and my own desire for efficiency and tendency for corner-cutting is offset by his own detail-orientation and day-to-day thinking. My boss certainly knows where my strengths can be utilized, too; he'll leave me to my own devices and listen to me when I think there's a more cost-effective way to do something.

If nothing else, they certainly have the same work ethic that I do, but they approach work from a different angle that I can appreciate. As long as I'm in an environment where they don't have complete control or are willing to listen to others, I work very well with them.


Other NTs
They usually understand me the most, and vice versa. You guys know the drill here.

[mbeerti]

lol!

[mbeerti]

Ok, I prefer working with NTs better, but when it comes to play, the NFs are close rivals. However, I've noticed that, within the NFs, with respect to their J-ness, I have different preferences when it comes to introverted/extroverted friends. Here's what wins:

ENFJ > INFJ

INFP > ENFP

[brilliantwomble]

NFs--Most of the guys I have liked have been NFs so I can't say I rate them too poorly. Most of my friends have been NFs as well--they are always amused by my bluntness, lack of tact, and overall dislike of being touched. To be honest, I might be tactless at times, but I am also rather quiet so little do they know what I might actually be thinking. I like their ability to dream.

SPs--tend to get along with them quite well. I don't have any deep friendships in this realm, but they are a lot of fun and tend to respect me so I'm okay with SPs. In general, I like them because I know if I want to go and do something crazy, they're usually game which just makes them higher in my book.

SJs--can't stand them most of the time. They sap the fun out of life and are dream killers. Most of the SJs I have worked with also have little patience with my NP nature and think rather sequentially rather than abstractly (go figure.) However, they also tend to get a lot of stuff done which is good since if the world were left in the hands of someone like myself there would be a whole lot of nothing. Currently have a roommate that is an SJ and she despises how I do things, but is also jealous of my ability to do almost nothing and yet still perform well in school. She really dislikes my lack of discipline and non-existent work ethic. And since I take little time to try and make others like me, they just naturally fall at the bottom of my list.

Order of preference NF>SP>SJ

As for other NTs--typically get along with them just fine.

[entropie]

There is no other temperament besides mine !

[Antisocial one]

If we overlook that I am alone most of the time.


NF- standard NT NF differences, just more expressed but there is no too much conflict because NF are fascinated with my mind. which is because in many cases they are more interested in how I say thing and bodylanguage. Once they start to think about my words thay can be quite horrified with my approach to life.
Everything is Ok as long as they think I am joking with impersonal approach.


SP- SPs are Ok in small doses. With STPs I usually create teacher-student relations what can work quite well. With SFPs I can't find common ground on the long, even short runs in most cases.



SJ- To tell you the truth I think SJ are afraid of me, from what I have seen in life.
They see clear J tendency which they value, but my high N knocks them out of their balance since they don't understand the principles.
It is something like you have enough knowledge of the language that you can scare others.
Entire thing would be much more simple that my N does not give results, but the truth is just the oposite. Loyal but somethimes too closed minded/blind toward critical parts.

[Jwill]

SJs I consider the boring, inflexible type. Being down to earth is lame! But, really, a couple of my favorite family members are SJs, so I guess I do like them. These are safe people. I think I get along best with SJs. They're the comfortable friend.
NFs are the extremely emotional type, so I love them when I want to be cuddled, but I definitely don't love them when they want to be cuddled (which is usually a much more significant amount of time). NFs are the type that I have the hardest time understanding.
SPs are a lot of fun. They can sometimes get on my nerves for being flighty, but my best friends are usually SPs. They broaden my horizons. They teach me how to live a little, I teach them how to gain some perspective.

[CJ99]

NF - There great for bouncing ideas off! my sis is one and with her its like olympic ping pong that amount of stuff going around!
SP - Most my mates are SPs so i guess i like them. They bring me down to earth a lot. And there funny!
SJ - only got one or two SJ mates! there ok at times and just plain dumb at others. Generally they just piss me off!

[Azseroffs]

NF - Amazing! I love talking to them because they understand what I'm saying and we both usually have ideas that the other hasn't though about.

SP - Fun to be around if we are doing something, but I feel like I'm talking to brick wall usually. Some are amazed by what I have to say others don't care. Overall, not very interesting to listen to.

SJ - Annoying, boring, and too hard headed.

[Kangirl]

Types don't annoy me, people do. Yay!

I do seem to be more able to tolerate Introverts rather than other Extroverts, though.

[entropie]

I think no more than I have thought before. They are all humans and if you punch them in the face, they bleed

[Cool]

Very dislike going through an arguments with SF. Bring up the topic abortion and they focus on the surface of the problem. (many of them do but not all of them)

[mortabunt]

How do you view:
NTs vs. NFs?
NTs vs. SPs?
NTs vs. SJs?[/QUOTE]

NTs vs. NFs: NT's are more logical and much less likrly to see the human side of things than NF's.
NTs vs SPs: NT's are much more intelligent, disciplined, and sincere than the average SP. I think of them as either manipulative bastard or target practice. I have a lot of bad experience with these.
NTs vs SJ: NT's are more innovative and often willing to come up with their own ideas than SJ's. The experience depends on the SJ. I positively abhor my ISTJ brother, yet I know a girl who is ESTJ and I adore her. She has a lot less T and a lot less J.

[simulatedworld]

NTs vs. NFs: NT's are more logical and much less likrly to see the human side of things than NF's.
NTs vs SPs: NT's are much more intelligent, disciplined, and sincere than the average SP. I think of them as either manipulative bastard or target practice. I have a lot of bad experience with these.
NTs vs SJ: NT's are more innovative and often willing to come up with their own ideas than SJ's. The experience depends on the SJ. I positively abhor my ISTJ brother, yet I know a girl who is ESTJ and I adore her. She has a lot less T and a lot less J.


Your statement about SPs is ridiculous. If you think NTs are smarter than SPs on average, it's because you're only considering NT-specific forms of intelligence. I'm sure NTs score higher on average on IQ tests and SATs and so on than SPs, but that's because IQ tests/SATs are biased toward NT-type intelligence tasks. Intelligence is highly multi-faceted and expands geometrically, not linearly.

I suspect that in a field test involving real world tasks and hands-on manipulation of the physical environment, NTs would fail miserably against SPs, and it's a mistake to assume that these kinds of skills don't qualify as some sort of "intelligence."

[Aleph-One]

Based on personal experience, here's how I relate to other temperaments

Usually get along with: ENTJ, INFJ, INTP
Varies based on the person: INTJ, ISTJ, ISTP, ENTP, ENFP, ENFJ, INFP
Will rarely get along with: ESFP, ESTJ, ISFP, ESFJ, ISFJ, ESTP

[CJ99]

NF: Kool people but they often limit themselves so much with the insistance on being nice. Then again there niceness is nice. They can be amazingly dumb then amazingly intelligent. There intelligence is so polarised it can be really irritating!

SP: My 2 best mates are SP and there great! Both very intelligent though one (an ESFP) doesn't always seem it. So much fun as well as long as they don't have too big an ego! Very useful people to know as if you look after them they look after you! I use my intuition to see when they are going in the wrong direction and though i can never stop them i'm mostly in the right place and time to pick them up. In return they help me out with reality!!!!!

SJ: Hate these guys! There so boring and dull and stupid! Sure they are useful but they just make me want to put a gun to my head. There like dead end alley ways with walls so thick its next to impossible to break though!

[lifeintechnicolor]

NTs vs. NFs? I have one friend who is an ENFP, and she is quite pleasant to be around, IMHO. Compared to me, (ENTP) she is a lot more energetic and less of a debator. She likes to have everything be comfy and balanced. My best friend is an ENFJ, and yes, I would say she is a lot less confrontational than an NT.
NTs vs. SPs? I don't think I know any...
NTs vs. SJs? Both of my parents are SJ's, and they are a lot less calm during quarrels than I am. More things seem to get on their nerves, and they are more vocal if something bothers them. I absolutely hate arguments with SJ's. Generally I could get along with an SJ, but I wouldn't enjoy being married to one.

[Aleph-One]

SJs are really pedantic. Don't get me wrong -- I really appreciate the recognition of nuance and detail when it matters, but there are plenty of times when formalism is just mindless formalism, and their matter-of-fact "that's just the way it is" justification of it makes me see red hot hate.

I usually like working with them because they're so reliable, but they turn into something worse than dead weight when the rules get in the way. I swear some of them would put their willies in a lightsocket if it was company or school policy to do so.

[mortabunt]

Your statement about SPs is ridiculous. If you think NTs are smarter than SPs on average, it's because you're only considering NT-specific forms of intelligence. I'm sure NTs score higher on average on IQ tests and SATs and so on than SPs, but that's because IQ tests/SATs are biased toward NT-type intelligence tasks. Intelligence is highly multi-faceted and expands geometrically, not linearly.

I suspect that in a field test involving real world tasks and hands-on manipulation of the physical environment, NTs would fail miserably against SPs, and it's a mistake to assume that these kinds of skills don't qualify as some sort of "intelligence."

Ulysses S. Grant was an NT, and Robert E Lee was an SP. Also, I know about real world object manipulation; I cox racing shells, much to the dismay of my S rowers. They think I'm a retard.

[freedom geek]

NF: Bah humbug. Too illogical and "fuzzy."
SJ: Authoritarians who do not want to allow me to live my life as I see fit. Additionally the choices they make in control are often short sighted and narrow minded. Decent minions.
SP: Hedonists. Fly through life without paying attention.
ENT: Alright. Likeabilty dependent. Often good people.
INT: Most of the time to be with. Share common goals.

Exceptions abound of course.

[entropie]

SJ: business pals (no more than that, please)
SP: I dont understand them, sometimes they seem like liking you and then they stab you in the back; ISTPs are cool I think, they at least know the concept of friendship
NFs: ENFP is not my world, ENFJ is too much work, INFJ is too rigid / free of wordly matters, INFP I dont understand
NT: INTP/INTJ hide to much behind their fascades, to really get to know them, ENTJ are to witty for me and ENTPs are too taxing

I like dogs tho

[INTJ123]

well, I dunno about pitting the types against each other but I'll tell you what I think of each group.

NT - Probably the highest collection of genius and creativity one group can collect. However it's also probably the least socially adept group, might not be our faults though since we are outnumbered.

NF - Probably the highest collection of peaceful, diplomatic, creative, and artistic people. Can sometimes be overly sensitive.

SP - Probably the highest collection of party animals, always in the moment, great people to be around. Not very responsible though.

SJ - Probably the greatest collection of boring people, with a serious lack of creativity. However they serve a useful purpose of being responsible and family oriented, help keep everything grounded, but still boring.

[Argus]

NTs vs. NFs: Overly idealistic.
NTs vs. SPs: Unintelligent hedonists.
NTs vs. SJs: Overly socially conditioned.


Please note that there are individual exceptions.

[Jonnyboy]

NTs vs. NFs: Probably the most useless out of the 3 groups. Edit: I guess maybe poetry is nice.
NTs vs. SPs: We need people to take the risks most of us are too afraid to take.
NTs vs. SPs: Do you want to be the one doing all the mundane but necessary tasks? Thought not.

[Fluffywolf]

Honestly, I think that I'm very happy to be an NT and I hold NT therefor in a higher regard than other temperaments from a personal point of view. I do however also see the usefulness in other temperaments and do respect and thank them for the entertainment and leisure they bring me.

[JustHer]

well, I dunno about pitting the types against each other but I'll tell you what I think of each group.

NT - Probably the highest collection of genius and creativity one group can collect. However it's also probably the least socially adept group, might not be our faults though since we are outnumbered.

NF - Probably the highest collection of peaceful, diplomatic, creative, and artistic people. Can sometimes be overly sensitive.

SP - Probably the highest collection of party animals, always in the moment, great people to be around. Not very responsible though.

SJ - Probably the greatest collection of boring people, with a serious lack of creativity. However they serve a useful purpose of being responsible and family oriented, help keep everything grounded, but still boring.


Dead on, I think.

[SerengetiBetty]

NF - tend to be way to sensitive but they can be fun

SP - the only group to be able to keep up with me kinesthetically and energetically,especially ESTPs. lots of fun because you know were you stand with them.

SJ- i always walk on eggshells and hope i don't say or do something offensive. no matter how hard i try there is always something that i say or do and then... the silent treatment or the SJ saying "no, it's fine" through gritted teeth. the result is that they get about 25% of my personality

NT-like coming home after a long journey. i like how when other groups see us interact irl thy assume that we are arguing and hate each other, when in fact the opposite is most likely true.

[abra]

NF: Either totally unintelligible and to be enjoyed at a distance or have developed some way to be rational and manage their emotions.
SP: Fun fun fun.
SJ: Head, meet wall.

[CyberHiker]

SP: Most of my friends are xSFP's. I get along extremely well with them,however, they always debate on the morale vs logic side of things and as they outnumber me, they always win. Most of the times, I find out that I was right and give them the I told you so lecture after which they shut up for a day or so. I have never met any xSTP's.

NF: My best friend is an ENFJ. She tends to be very empathic with everyone, but sometimes lacks reason behind her choices. Very dreamy type, can be nice but I would really much rather 'hang out' with NT's.

SJ: My mother is an ISFJ. I love her very much, but the SJ temperament lacks the creativity and spontaneity. SJ's are very good at handling family matters and handling everything 'mundane'.

NT: The only NT I know is my father (INTJ) and his university professor (INTP), but nevertheless, I can relate most and discuss most matters with them.

[JustHer]

NFs: Extremely fascinating people that are great to have around, for some reason I have a real admiration for them. The F/T divide can really get frustrating though, and a lot of them come off as extremely arrogant and may have to be avoided.

SPs: Great to have around, never really have any problems with their company.

SJs: Can really irritate me, but as long as they are not in any authoritive position over me then I'm good.

[dorcus0]

NF: The introverted ones are fascinating. The extroverted ones just drain me too quickly. Sometimes I think they lack amorality and cynicism, while at other times I admire their optimism.

SP: Great to have around. They come off as being intense. Sometimes I consider them too shallow and hedonistic, but what's life without a bit of hedonism?

SJ: The intelligent ones are great to have around. The unintelligent ones are little more than (sometimes malevolent) robots. My ideal boss would be an SJ who happens to be smarter than I am.

[InfiniteIntrigue]

NF = Annoying
SF = Over-dramatic, but can be fun.
SJ = <3