You know you're an INFJ when...

[Apollanaut]

I have stared into the void, and the void has stared back into me

I AM the Void!

[gloomy-optimist]

You know you're an infj when you make endless lists of why you are an infj
:) just look at us. 25 pages!

It's easy to fill 25 pages when you don't have anyone else to talk to about it :D I tried explaining to my sister how I feel different sometimes...she just said I was full of it *sigh*

[Thunderlight]

I have a question. Some people talk so readily about knowing how that person was estp or infj, and everyone around them. How do people do that? I for the life of me have a hard time pinning anyone down without them taking a test.

[Dwigie]

I have a question. Some people talk so readily about knowing how that person was estp or infj, and everyone around them. How do people do that? I for the life of me have a hard time pinning anyone down without them taking a test.
You get a random "feel", I get some vibes from NTs and some from STs and other from NFs and SPs...Then I try to think about if they like things settled, etc..I try to get a rough sketch in 2 secs and then I see if it rings true with the "vibe" I got from the descriptions(not the weird mystical ones if you know what I mean...).It may be completely wrong..

[vince]

- People think you're an extrovert... until they try and drop by unexpectedly, hehe.... Release the hounds!


Haha so true.

-You could write trilogies about every possible subject -out of sheer interest.

[sade]

You know you're an infj when you make endless lists of why you are an infj
:) just look at us. 25 pages!

Just wait until the thread reaches 40 pages. ;)
It's so easy to fill pages when you don't get to talk about this stuff IRL.

[Thursday]

Just wait until the thread reaches 40 pages. ;)
It's so easy to fill pages when you don't get to talk about this stuff IRL.

argh

[faith]

^This is exactly the way that I think. It's why I find it odd when others think INFJs are 'judgemental' as a defining trait. Um, no. Some of the behaviors of others that I've been able to justify personally are mind-boggling to other people. If I can see why a person did something and I can deduce that under the circumstances there was really not a high chance of them doing what others consider to be 'right', I just cannot muster the condemnation that others seem to.


This and toonia's post... I agree.

It's why I don't understand what my counseling professor is getting at when she damands of the class, "How on earth can you understand what someone else is feeling when you haven't felt it yourself? How can you understand someone who is a criminal? How can you understand why they have done what you would never do?" Understanding seems so obvious that I don't quite know how to answer.

[gloomy-optimist]

I have a question. Some people talk so readily about knowing how that person was estp or infj, and everyone around them. How do people do that? I for the life of me have a hard time pinning anyone down without them taking a test.

Haha, I actually have pinned some people down :B And we took the test to help place us with our roommate, so some people already know theirs. I just ask when it seems like it's appropriate; I get really curious about some people

[IDK123]

You start a conversation with someone w/ no context because its a continuation of your internal dialogue.

You think you have explained yourself well in a paper but the teacher marks in red "elaborate", "more", or "expand".

[Dwigie]

You start a conversation with someone w/ no context because its a continuation of your internal dialogue.

You think you have explained yourself well in a paper but the teacher marks in red "elaborate", "more", or "expand".

*AvereX, who is that in your avatar?
!:happy:,yep.

[Kyrielle]

You start a conversation with someone w/ no context because its a continuation of your internal dialogue.

You think you have explained yourself well in a paper but the teacher marks in red "elaborate", "more", or "expand".

*AvereX, who is that in your avatar?

First part, a hell to the yeah. It gets me in trouble with class discussions sometimes because I'll start stating my thoughts without having fully completed that thought sequence, so I end up floundering and getting lost. I think it frustrates and amuses some people because other times I can be strangely accurate and insightful. Sort of a hit or miss thing, I suppose.

It depends on the paper with me. If it's a subject I don't have much interest in, then yes, I will have trouble keeping myself clear and informative--mostly because I just want to get it over with so I'll skim through the details and try to get all the main points down. Otherwise, I don't seem to have that problem.

[ByMySword]

You think you have explained yourself well in a paper but the teacher marks in red "elaborate", "more", or "expand".

Thats because we're not into details as much as we're into the general idea of things.

[Thursday]

Thats because we're not into details as much as we're into the general idea of things.

isn't that just an intuitive thing ?
more so NF, i think.

[Dwigie]

isn't that just an intuitive thing ?
more so NF, i think.
Oh, so you're infp?What made you realize that?:)

[IDK123]

It depends on the paper with me. If it's a subject I don't have much interest in, then yes, I will have trouble keeping myself clear and informative--mostly because I just want to get it over with so I'll skim through the details and try to get all the main points down. Otherwise, I don't seem to have that problem.

You are so lucky. I spent so much time working on my last paper but got a 89 on it because I still needed to "carve it out" more, haha

[Kyrielle]

You are so lucky. I spent so much time working on my last paper but got a 89 on because I still needed to "carve it out" more, haha

That sucks, but at least it was almost an A, right? :D You ever try letting yourself write anything and everything you could possibly have to say on the subject first? It seems easier to do that, wait a day or so, and then go back and start cutting things out. That way all the information is already there and you get to decide what will reinforce your point the best. Though I can empathise that it's hard to come up with a lot to say on a subject when you don't have much to say about it in the first place.

[IDK123]

isn't that just an intuitive thing ?
more so NF, i think.

yeah, that's good point. Not being tuned into details does sound more like a general intuitive characteristic. [Off topic] Ironically, my psychology keeps making us compare the results on our assignments to the S/N scale and I consistently come out as a sensor. I have had to explain to him 3 times in writing why I am not a sensor.

[IDK123]

That sucks, but at least it was almost an A, right? :D You ever try letting yourself write anything and everything you could possibly have to say on the subject first? It seems easier to do that, wait a day or so, and then go back and start cutting things out. That way all the information is already there and you get to decide what will reinforce your point the best. Though I can empathise that it's hard to come up with a lot to say on a subject when you don't have much to say about it in the first place.

Thank you! :nice: I will definitely try that tip on my upcoming research paper.

[gloomy-optimist]

That sucks, but at least it was almost an A, right? :D You ever try letting yourself write anything and everything you could possibly have to say on the subject first? It seems easier to do that, wait a day or so, and then go back and start cutting things out. That way all the information is already there and you get to decide what will reinforce your point the best. Though I can empathise that it's hard to come up with a lot to say on a subject when you don't have much to say about it in the first place.

I've never tried that! It sounds like it'd work really well :D

But you'd have to make sure you really have a clearly defined statement...I'd have to write down a thesis to make sure I stay on the right track, or I'd end up going off on tangents :B

[Lotr246]

I've never tried that! It sounds like it'd work really well :D

But you'd have to make sure you really have a clearly defined statement...I'd have to write down a thesis to make sure I stay on the right track, or I'd end up going off on tangents :B

Have you gone off on tangents before in your papers? I've done that, and have had "digressive" written on my papers...Didn't know if it was an INFJ or INFP thing? I've argued against the professor for my ideas too.

[Dwigie]

Gone off on tangents = going to a random direction stemming from the "basic" idea? Yeah...people tell me I have way too much things in one essay and that I need to expand...(I usually write about a page or two less than most people in my class)

[ThePenIsMightier]

I tend to go overboard with papers. I do well expanding on a main point, just throwing examples and metaphors out to explain the idea. The problem happens when I get off the main point. I start with a goal and end up defending something different at the end of it. You know, I made what I thought was an interesting connection in my mind and then kind of run with it. Turns out a good number of teachers kinda want you to stay on point...

[Dwigie]

I tend to go overboard with papers. I do well expanding on a main point, just throwing examples and metaphors out to explain the idea. The problem happens when I get off the main point. I start with a goal and end up defending something different at the end of it. You know, I made what I thought was an interesting connection in my mind and then kind of run with it. Turns out a good number of teachers kinda want you to stay on point...

:laugh:, I do exactly the same or get too specific, one or the other...:ninja: in shorter.

[Kyrielle]

I've never tried that! It sounds like it'd work really well :D

But you'd have to make sure you really have a clearly defined statement...I'd have to write down a thesis to make sure I stay on the right track, or I'd end up going off on tangents :B

Yeah, it can be hard not to do that. That's why I said to let it sit for a day or more (so you aren't getting tunnel vision staring at it for so long) before you go back and try to look at it objectively as you trim it down.

It usually really sucks when I get a fun tangent I'd like to write about, only to realise it doesn't have enough to do with the main point to include it. Sometimes it helps to then go tell someone about that thought so at least it can get expanded upon.

[gloomy-optimist]

Yeah, I really hate that. Or when you've had some sort of spiritual or philosophical breakthrough, and you don't have anyone to tell it to (or they just don't care to listen to you talk about that stuff), or you don't have any time to write it down, but it's like all of a sudden the world is so clear and everything makes sense and holy crap you just HAVE to tell someone or you'll explode!
That's just plain frustrating.

[Kyrielle]

Yeah, I really hate that. Or when you've had some sort of spiritual or philosophical breakthrough, and you don't have anyone to tell it to (or they just don't care to listen to you talk about that stuff), or you don't have any time to write it down, but it's like all of a sudden the world is so clear and everything makes sense and holy crap you just HAVE to tell someone or you'll explode!
That's just plain frustrating.

Lol. Exactly.

[Thunderlight]

Yeah, I really hate that. Or when you've had some sort of spiritual or philosophical breakthrough, and you don't have anyone to tell it to (or they just don't care to listen to you talk about that stuff), or you don't have any time to write it down, but it's like all of a sudden the world is so clear and everything makes sense and holy crap you just HAVE to tell someone or you'll explode!
That's just plain frustrating.

that's the worst! haha and then you tell the next person you see and they back away slowly because they think you're mentally unhinged

[sade]

Yeah, I really hate that. Or when you've had some sort of spiritual or philosophical breakthrough, and you don't have anyone to tell it to (or they just don't care to listen to you talk about that stuff), or you don't have any time to write it down, but it's like all of a sudden the world is so clear and everything makes sense and holy crap you just HAVE to tell someone or you'll explode!
That's just plain frustrating.

ARGH! I hate that. I try to write those down, so that I don't end up scaring the next person who I'm talking to with those ponderings.
I dislike it when people say that I think too much, and wonder where that thought I was speaking at the moment came from..

[Thunderlight]

we should all have a philosophical breakthrough party :D

[gloomy-optimist]

Oh yeah; it'd be like a dance party, only instead of dancing we'll talk politics :D
J/k, but that we be pretty cool if there was a time where IRL there was a bunch of INFJs that just talked, in an organized manner, about our thoughts; I'm pretty sure we'd all walk away with a lot of deeper understanding

[Evi]

I have the slowly backing way thing happen a lot, or the confused/disturbed stares. Although a lot of the time it isn't very philosophical, more along the lines of "Hey what if vampires...."

The comments on papers sound familiar too and I thought it was just me.

[edcoaching]

^Yeah, except that we are our own best therapists!

Yeah...a support group is an oxymoron and you know you're an INFJ if you understand what I mean by that...

[gloomy-optimist]

I have the slowly backing way thing happen a lot, or the confused/disturbed stares. Although a lot of the time it isn't very philosophical, more along the lines of "Hey what if vampires...."

The comments on papers sound familiar too and I thought it was just me.

HA oh yeah, that too. I know I have some good friends when we can make up totally weird/bizarre stories and laugh like it's the funniest thing in the world :B
Everyone else just looks at you like they have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...

Oh man, those are good times.

[IDK123]

These may be completely off-base but...

People think that they can see right through you, but in reality, many of their assumptions tend to miss the mark.

You think you have got yourself figured out but then some new piece of information makes re-assess and you're at square one again.

[Thunderlight]

^ sounds right to me

[Dwigie]

These may be completely off-base but...

People think that they can see right through you, but in reality, many of their assumptions tend to miss the mark.

You think you have got yourself figured out but then some new piece of information makes re-assess and you're at square one again.
Yep, basically we have trouble answering the question: "who am I?", I can relate.

[Thunderlight]

Ugh I hate it when I have emotion overload. Its kind of like being around people so long just makes me stressed and angry and stuff. My usual outlets--being alone or going for a swim--dont exist over here so I had to settle for taking a nap and listening to music

[sanveane]

Yep, basically we have trouble answering the question: "who am I?", I can relate.

Haha, I hate when you're in one of those settings where people throw out "tell us a little about yourself?" Ummm, total mind blank. Further to that I find it v. annoying when other people think what someone does for a living = who they are.

Ugh I hate it when I have emotion overload.

^Yeah, it feels like you have no skin on (no defenses) when it's like that.

[Peguy]

The discussion concerning how INFJs write papers is totally on target with me. I'll spend considerable time trying to explain my thoughts, and other people will demand that I specify more because my thoughts are too "vague".

As Bythesword stated, we tend to dwell on the general picture rather than get into the details.


People think that they can see right through you, but in reality, many of their assumptions tend to miss the mark.

Oh yes, this happens all the time with me. It's almost comical at times to hear the various assestments of my character given by others, especially when they seemingly contradict each other. I must be one hell of an interesting person. ;)

You think you have got yourself figured out but then some new piece of information makes re-assess and you're at square one again.

Not just yourself, but practically EVERYTHING you think about. Our thoughts are perpetual works in progress; we develop them as we go along.

[IDK123]

This is such a relief knowing that there are other people who have these character quirks. I can relate to like 90% of this thread. Most people consider me "weird in a good way". Athough there is controversy on whether or not INFJ's are the rarest, I have a feeling we are still one of the rarest types.

[sanveane]

This is such a relief knowing that there are other people who have these character quirks.

:D I think we're all usually so independent/used to feeling different that this thread makes me feel like we are fast becoming a faction. I've laughed in recognition so many times reading this thread at either things I do or things I used to.

[Thunderlight]

I think I saw percentages of Types and INFJ and INTJ were the rarest.

This is especially the case if you are a male INFJ or a female INTJ.

The cruel Irony? Im an INFJ, and my sister is an INTJ

Which brings me to a question: how is your (all of you) family divided up?

[Dwigie]

I don't like it when they give the "%"...it's just so wrong in a way.
"Oh boy..aren't we so special"? I hate that expression=> "the rarest...". Plus if we think about it...how many people in the world have taken this test anyway? There may be like 15-10% of the world population for all we know.
I wish they wouldn't sugar coat and give percentages in description, it would make it so much clearer.
But yeah, it's hard for us to relate to other people usually...

[Peguy]

I have nothing against us being the rarest personality, it certainly helps put our constant sense of alienation and loneliness in more perspective. Now turning that fact into a reason to be condenscending towards the "masses" is certainly wrong. We maybe rare, but we're not the master race.

[sanveane]

I stopped wondering if INFJ is the rarest type quite a while ago. I do think INFJs are pretty difficult to spot though.

[Dwigie]

With the way it's filled with BS in the kersey description I highly doubted being infj..
I mean they talk about nfs and especially infjs as if they were angels or "psychics" o.O...Didn't it strike you as a bit ahem "sugary"?

[Motor Jax]

i agree... at least for me, it is... most other types i can figure out but if i ran into another INFJ, i would probably determine an INTJ or something...

[Motor Jax]

With the way it's filled with BS in the kersey description I highly doubted being infj..
I mean they talk about nfs and especially infjs as if they were angels or "psychics" o.O...Didn't it strike you as a bit ahem "sugary"?

but... i am sugary... ;)

[Peguy]

You know you're INFJ if your sense of humour seems to involve quite a bit of bantering. IMHO, bantering is perhaps one of the funniest forms of humour, a world without banter is simply a world not worth living in.

Others(INFJs and no) have said similar things. I know GK Chesterton constantly engaged in banter in his public debates with people, especially his friend GB Shaw.

ThePenIsMightier certainly shows this to be so by giving tribute to one of the greatest sagas of bantering in recent memory. :D
Sean Connery's Finest
You could say the way Connery makes up all sorts of hilarious twists to everyday words is very much in line with INFJness. ;)

[sanveane]

With the way it's filled with BS in the kersey description I highly doubted being infj..
I mean they talk about nfs and especially infjs as if they were angels or "psychics" o.O...Didn't it strike you as a bit ahem "sugary"?

It possibly is? It certainly seems a bit rapturous on his part but I really identified with most of it (not saying I'm psychic or angelic). This is where I think enneagram type is useful as I think there are different flavors of INFJs...

You know you're INFJ if your sense of humour seems to involve quite a bit of bantering. IMHO, bantering is perhaps one of the funniest forms of humour, a world without banter is simply a world not worth living in.


+1 I don't want to live in a world w/o banter!!

[Dwigie]

It possibly is? It certainly seems a bit rapturous on his part but I really identified with most of it (not saying I'm psychic or angelic). This is where I think enneagram type is useful as I think there are different flavors of INFJs...
Me too(or else I wouldn't have even considered being infj)but I rely on hummerow's, it's a bit "truer". That one fit me way better.:yes:

[IDK123]

Sorry i didn't mean to imply that INFJs were any way better than everyone else. However, I have always had a hard time relating to others beyond a superficial level. So from that, I thought there were probably fewer people with INFJ preferences compared to many of the other types.

When I first read Keirsey's description, I didn't think it fit me that well and it was too romanticized. After researching many of the other types on the internet for a couple months, INFJ seemed to be the best fit.

[sanveane]

Sorry i didn't mean to imply that INFJs were any way better than everyone else.

Aww I don't think you did at all! haha p.s. I would so write something like that too if I'd thought I'd done that :D

[gloomy-optimist]

I relate to a lot of the things they talk about with INFJs...but then, a lot of the sugary stuff seems almost too much.
I mean, sure I'm a humanitarian and gore makes me sick....but I can also be sarcastic and grumpy and have a twisted sense of humor.
INFJ is definitely my type; I've doubted several times and it always came back to that. But it does present some difficult standards sometimes...it almost seems hard to live up to :/

[gloomy-optimist]

I think I saw percentages of Types and INFJ and INTJ were the rarest.

This is especially the case if you are a male INFJ or a female INTJ.

The cruel Irony? Im an INFJ, and my sister is an INTJ

Which brings me to a question: how is your (all of you) family divided up?

-My mom's actually an INFJ too :) Although she is a bit balanced on the I/E side.
-My dad's IxxJ, and I think he's more T, but I'm really not that sure about him; he's pretty balanced, and I don't think he'd be into taking the test :B
-My twin (fraternal) sister's ENTJ. We get along well, but there's occasional hitches :/

[INFJ*]

You realized how attached you really were to that person, only when it's too late.

[hideki]

Ok. Another note about the japanese people. The other day I was in my school's library and I sat next to a japense girl. I started checking some stuff on the internet and she saw my screen and just bursted out laughing for no reason. was weird

[Thunderlight]

My mothers an INFJ too. So glad for that lol.
My sister is an INTJ (we get along well) and my dad is an ENTJ (so many fights)
My brother is the black sheep of sorts, being ESTP.

Being twin brothers we always have been so opposite its not even funny. He tells me im no fun to be around and my friends are boring and I tell him he never takes anything seriously and his friends act like 3 year olds :D

[Dwigie]

Haha, I've been told that too "you're too serious", lighten up etc...a lot. My friends say I'm the voice of "reason" among them.(They're Sp(ESFP (2))and ISFP I suspect, I feel like the odd one out :( at times.))
I don't want and when I do: What are you doing?They stare in disbelief.

[Kyrielle]

I think I saw percentages of Types and INFJ and INTJ were the rarest.

This is especially the case if you are a male INFJ or a female INTJ.

The cruel Irony? Im an INFJ, and my sister is an INTJ

Which brings me to a question: how is your (all of you) family divided up?

I'm highly suspicious of "they're the rarest" comments in descriptions. Even if it is true, it seems very unhelpful to state it. There is no point to it regarding how your mind operates.

Anyway.

Estimated types:

Younger brother: ESTP
Mother: ESFJ
Father: IxTJ

I get on with my brother and mother well.

I can share ideas with my father, but I can't really discuss them. It always ends up with him trying to show how right he is--without much factual backup--rather than exploring the topic further.

On the other hand, I can discuss things with my brother, but when it comes to a debate, my debate/persuasion skills are rather poor compared to him (actually, I'm fairly sure he could talk "Sneakers O'Toole"* into taking his sneakers off :D).

I feel like I can talk about anything with my mother, and if I have a problem, she's usually one of the people I go to first because I know she'll help me feel like I'm not crazy in regards to what I'm feeling. If I need help with solving the problem, I seek out my brother/someone objective.

I definitely have never been made to be the "odd one out" in my family (eventhough I have alienated myself and made myself think I am sometimes), and I think it's because my mother has done her best to create an environment where it's okay to be who you are and you are never going to be expected to be someone else. This doesn't mean there aren't moments of awkwardness, though.


*Sneakers O'Toole

A man who doesnt like to take his sneakers off. Two men approach him, yelling at him to take his sneakers off. He then jumps away, with the other man saying that they'll never catch him in the shoes they're wearing.

Regrettably Sneakers O'Toole escaped and has yet to be captured.

[IDK123]

Father: ESFJ (very shallow relationship... get along for the most part but dismisses my ideas. It feels like I have to time how long we are going to talk.)
Mother: INFP (get along very well well and hardly any problems)
Bro 1: same as above
Bro 2: ISTJ? (we get along fine but we tend to annoy each other)
Sis: ENFP (We connect well)

[sade]

Funny.. I was about to post my family's types anyways.
I got some verification on this, mostly for the temperaments, when I showed MBTI stuff to them.
Mom: ISTJ (ISxFJ ..possibly?)
Dad: INTP
Younger brother: ESTP

It's been a recognized fact that I'm more like dad and little bro is more like mom, it's been a pretty strong divede. Except that I never have wanted to be like my dad.

My father isn't a good referance point in this questionaire. He's highly immature and temperamental. We've always had a horrid relationship no matter what, and it has taken a bigger toll on me than him. We can get along as long as I neither opens their mouths. Otherwise I'mnot even going to start on the issue about me and him. He does seem to love me now that I don't live at home anymore. I used hear more about how he detested/disliked me.

Mom and me are on good terms. We don't really understand eachothers way of thinking and tend to annoy each other, but it's nothing major. If only she stopped second quessing everything an seeing things from my point of view more.. She keeps saying how I'm too sensitive and need to learn how to not listen to others and take them into account. She was a relaxed mom to me, since she knew me really well and is much more stern with litle bro for the same reason.She used to let me ditch class when ever I felt like it. (She seems like an ISxJ at times..) I can't really spend much time with her since she keeps making me feel like she's righ and I'm wrong (yes, she says that. My bro and dad make comments to her about that at times.), in everything and she tends to exhaust me, since I'm not that practical by nature. I hate to plan everything in advance which she does and tries to plant in me. ARGH...She has amazing guilting abilities. She'll make you feel guilty often by playing a martyr or etc.. But no big problems.

Little bro and I have always had a great relationship, eventhough we are complete opposites. He isn't interested in anything that I am and vice versa(I try to relate to his car/etc. interests when he drags me along and rambles with me. We watch fifth gear and other tv shows together). He can't fathom my interest to boring stuff. I'm like a second mom to him and haven't had any real trouble nor fights. We're both pretty well rounded and humorous.

[dan.yo33]

You know you're an INFJ when you fill in sections of sentences with bizarre, emotive noises because you can't express what you want to say in words.

Then everyone laughs, but you were really trying to get something across!!

[Thunderlight]

^ haha yea i make up words and noises like that all the time. they seem more appropriate :)

[sade]

^ "If you hear a *&%[&?!!]*, *me imitating noises* or *boom*, don't mind me, I just blew up the lab." &
And in other things also.
People laugh at me because I use my hands a lot while talking.

[gloomy-optimist]

Thunderlight: It sounds like fun to have a twin ESTP :B My twin is ENTJ, and since you have one of them in your family, you must be able to guess what that's like....although it's not too bad. Communication's a pain, though.

^^I use so many weird noises it's not even funny. I think it started with an intent to communicate, but now it's almost a force of habit to make some weird noises while talking. I also use a lot of body language (JAZZ HANDS!)

Does anyone else have this thing with how comfortable they feel with touching people? I get pretty uncomfortable with people I'm not familiar with, but the people I truly care for I sometimes practically smother...
If I am holding hands, leaning on, or hugging someone often, that's almost a sure sign that they're really close to my heart....

[hideki]

Mother-Joker-ESFP
Dad-Mastermind-INTJ

Can make INFJ out of that

[Thunderlight]

Thunderlight: It sounds like fun to have a twin ESTP :B My twin is ENTJ, and since you have one of them in your family, you must be able to guess what that's like....although it's not too bad. Communication's a pain, though.

^^I use so many weird noises it's not even funny. I think it started with an intent to communicate, but now it's almost a force of habit to make some weird noises while talking. I also use a lot of body language (JAZZ HANDS!)

Does anyone else have this thing with how comfortable they feel with touching people? I get pretty uncomfortable with people I'm not familiar with, but the people I truly care for I sometimes practically smother...
If I am holding hands, leaning on, or hugging someone often, that's almost a sure sign that they're really close to my heart....

Um. Fun sometimes. But his complete opposite-ness is confounding. Other times is like what planet did you come here from? Oh yea pluto. I love him to death tho.

And try and explain to your ENTJ policeman (sergeant) father why you dont want to do something he told you to do. It doesnt get very far and usually ends with me in tears and him yelling :cry::steam:

I love jazz hands and I love touch. It just has this electricity to it that means so much to me :). One of my friends used to touch your arm if he was talking at dinner and was saying something important. It really made the connection more powerful and caring. I wished all people (especially men) hugged eachother instead of handshakes. there wouldn't be as many problems in the world! :D:D:D

[Harlow_Jem]

Your INTJ significant other demands on a daily basis that you grow some balls

[Eileen]

You're pretty sure something is a lost cause, but you have to try anyway for conscience sake.

(And the confidences . . . it's true and weird. :unsure:)

For everything you choose to do, you can think of better reasons not to do it.


Sigh.

SIGH!

You sigh a lot at true things.

[MrRandom]

You know you're an INFJ when you fill in sections of sentences with bizarre, emotive noises because you can't express what you want to say in words.

Then everyone laughs, but you were really trying to get something across!!

Yes yes yes! :yes:

A slightly related story:
An ENTP friend called me and said: "Sorry I'm late, but I had to go to the toilet because: 20 seconds of imitated sounds". It was weirdly hilarious, because it was an utterly unexpected reason, so politically incorrect way to tell it and also a sign of him adapting my communicative style (that is, using expressive sounds instead of words).

[Thunderlight]

Your INTJ significant other demands on a daily basis that you grow some balls

and thats when I tell them I already have some but they dont have a soul :)

[Dwigie]

You know you're an infj when you always feel "elsewhere" or seem constantly lost in though and people think you're innocent or the devil incarnate. You can't be "normal" in their eyes, there is basically no middle ground on a "first impression".(Really it doesn't vary much until someone gets to know you "thoroughly".)

[gloomy-optimist]

Um. Fun sometimes. But his complete opposite-ness is confounding. Other times is like what planet did you come here from? Oh yea pluto. I love him to death tho.

And try and explain to your ENTJ policeman (sergeant) father why you dont want to do something he told you to do. It doesnt get very far and usually ends with me in tears and him yelling :cry::steam:

I love jazz hands and I love touch. It just has this electricity to it that means so much to me :). One of my friends used to touch your arm if he was talking at dinner and was saying something important. It really made the connection more powerful and caring. I wished all people (especially men) hugged eachother instead of handshakes. there wouldn't be as many problems in the world! :D:D:D

My best friend is ESTP, and it definitely keeps things interesting. There are times where I don't know how to take him, but yeah. :D

My sister and I are planning on making a studio together. I'm the artist; she's the management. And let's just say that she takes that position seriously a lot of the time, if you know what I mean...
And she hates when I talk about MBTI around her. She thinks I'm over-analyzing her, and it really pisses her off :D

I think the world would be better if everyone could touch each other in a compassionate rather than with hidden implications...
There's too many people that touch in a way that says "I want git with ya." That's intimidating to me, I guess; when I trust someone beyond that, a warm affectionate touch is really nice~

[gloomy-optimist]

You know you're an infj when you always feel "elsewhere" or seem constantly lost in though and people think you're innocent or the devil incarnate. You can't be "normal" in their eyes, there is basically no middle ground on a "first impression".(Really it doesn't vary much until someone gets to know you "thoroughly".)

People either think I'm massively crazy or really quiet when they first meet me. And yeah, there's rarely much of a middle ground :D

[sanveane]

People either think I'm massively crazy or really quiet when they first meet me. And yeah, there's rarely much of a middle ground :D

+1 Hehe. Regardless, it always seems to come as a surprise when the alternate side of yourself presents.

[Kyrielle]

You know you're an infj when you always feel "elsewhere" or seem constantly lost in though and people think you're innocent or the devil incarnate. You can't be "normal" in their eyes, there is basically no middle ground on a "first impression".(Really it doesn't vary much until someone gets to know you "thoroughly".)

Yes. And it gives me a thrill to completely ruin their image of me by presenting my "opposite." It's a good way to weed out who accepts you for you. I've lost "friends" because I went from appearing innocent and silly to saying something incredibly lewd/gross/morbid and suddenly becoming this unsavoury character to them. It's unfortunate. And it hurts. I've tried to learn from them and a) not present another side of myself so suddenly, b) not judge anyone because of something unexpected they do/say.

[Skyward]

Yes. And it gives me a thrill to completely ruin their image of me by presenting my "opposite." It's a good way to weed out who accepts you for you. I've lost "friends" because I went from appearing innocent and silly to saying something incredibly lewd/gross/morbid and suddenly becoming this unsavoury character to them. It's unfortunate. And it hurts. I've tried to learn from them and a) not present another side of myself so suddenly, b) not judge anyone because of something unexpected they do/say.

Perfectly true for me, too! I have a HARD side (I can really chew people out :frown: and be completely detached from the situation), a gross side (I can talk about nearly anything comfortably.... just need to figure out what other people can handle.) and then the apparently cute/innocent side.

Though reading this thread I wonder if I have any F at all. I cant read people in the slightest and the personality 'vibe' feels extremely watered down. Though.... I guess it might just be adolescence. Really the only thing I don't connect with is anything with acutely reading people. Practice Makes Perfect situation?

I gotta be an F though, being a T just sounds dry and horrible! :D

[felt up]

You know you're an INFJ when...


-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...a song that your itunes play-counter claims you've listened to 3957 times

-you see connections between radically different things

-your wardrobe is all black, but your shoes are colorful

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival

-you wonder if you will ever see the one you are infatuated with again

-you live in a neighborhood with art, trees, books, and music

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them

-you know what's around the corner before everyone else does

-you feel most people are transparent and OBVIOUS and their lack of subtlety can be grating

-you are attuned to absurdity in the most mundane thing, and may burst out laughing uncontrollably at the absolute wrong moment. No one else gets the joke

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long

-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it

[Skyward]

You know you're an INFJ when...


-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...a song that your itunes play-counter claims you've listened to 3957 times

-you see connections between radically different things

-your wardrobe is all black, but your shoes are colorful

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival

-you wonder if you will ever see the one you are infatuated with again

-you live in a neighborhood with art, trees, books, and music Totally will once I move out :D

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them

-you know what's around the corner before everyone else does Usually thats just before and I dont recognize the feeling until it happens. Hindsight 20/20

-you feel most people are transparent and OBVIOUS and their lack of subtlety can be grating

-you are attuned to absurdity in the most mundane thing, and may burst out laughing uncontrollably at the absolute wrong moment. No one else gets the joke

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long

-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it

Bold is true to a T or at least mostly. Italics are somewhat, and everything else isn't me as far as I can tell.

Sorry if I'm not contributing much to the thread. When I come up with something, though... ;)

[Trinity]

You know you're an INFJ when...


-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...a song that your itunes play-counter claims you've listened to 3957 times

-you see connections between radically different things

-your wardrobe is all black, but your shoes are colorful

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival

-you wonder if you will ever see the one you are infatuated with again

-you live in a neighborhood with art, trees, books, and music

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them

-you know what's around the corner before everyone else does

-you feel most people are transparent and OBVIOUS and their lack of subtlety can be grating

-you are attuned to absurdity in the most mundane thing, and may burst out laughing uncontrollably at the absolute wrong moment. No one else gets the joke

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long

-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it

w00t! I'm an INFJ :D

[Dwigie]

You know you're an INFJ when...


-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...a song that your itunes play-counter claims you've listened to 3957 times:yes:

-you see connections between radically different things:yes:

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival:huh:, never been there but I come from a tiny country that no one knows of so it's the same feeling.

-you wonder if you will ever see the one you are infatuated with again

-you live in a neighborhood with art, trees, books, and music

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them

-you know what's around the corner before everyone else does

-you feel most people are transparent and OBVIOUS and their lack of subtlety can be grating (ahem that one I'm not so sure of, I think there's much more to people.)

-you are attuned to absurdity in the most mundane thing, and may burst out laughing uncontrollably at the absolute wrong moment. No one else gets the joke:D

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams:yes:

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long:yes:

-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it:1377:, actually...I don't know what I want, see what habitual people pleasing did to me?:azdaja:

[locke]

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival:huh:, never been there but I come from a tiny country that no one knows of so it's the same feeling.

Andorra?

[Dwigie]

Don't try you're gonna hurt yourself ;), we're a bigger in size but we're really insignificant.

[IDK123]

You know you're an INFJ when...


-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...a song that your itunes play-counter claims you've listened to 3957 times :nice:

-you see connections between radically different things :nice:

-your wardrobe is all black, but your shoes are colorful

-you are one of three people at a Swedish film festival

-you wonder if you will ever see the one you are infatuated with again- was like that for a long time.

-you live in a neighborhood with art, trees, books, and music

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them-somewhat like that

-you know what's around the corner before everyone else does

-you feel most people are transparent and OBVIOUS and their lack of subtlety can be grating -sometimes

-you are attuned to absurdity in the most mundane thing, and may burst out laughing uncontrollably at the absolute wrong moment. No one else gets the joke :nice:

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams-somewhat

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long :nice:
-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it-somewhat

Most of these were true for me to a certain degree.

[Kyrielle]

Don't try you're gonna hurt yourself ;), we're a bigger in size but we're really insignificant.

Canada! *ducks*

Though reading this thread I wonder if I have any F at all. I cant read people in the slightest and the personality 'vibe' feels extremely watered down. Though.... I guess it might just be adolescence. Really the only thing I don't connect with is anything with acutely reading people. Practice Makes Perfect situation?

I gotta be an F though, being a T just sounds dry and horrible! :D

I dunno. Supposedly INFJs are the most similar to Ts in thinking style of the NFs.

I think the reading people thing is a more unconscious process. For exmaple, when talking to someone, I'm aware that I'm trying to read between the lines of what they say and how they're saying it to find out what other things this person could be thinking (and thus unconsciously suggesting). Unfortunately, this is rather unhelpful, when I need to be focusing on what the person is actually saying. I know the main reason I look for these things is because I know that I end up suggesting related thoughts without really intending to while discussing a topic.

[Angry Ayrab]

I've always wanted to have an INFJ manning up session for the ones I know. I just wanted to rent some big six foot eight black dude, have them start a fight with the INFJ and then take a dive after messing up the INFJ a little to make it seem real.

Nah forget it, you guys will probably ask the guy if he is alright after you think you kicked his ass.

[Dwigie]

When people are talking I don't listen exactly to the words either or I just add them to the end of my equation.
This goes from the clues most unlikely to be wrong to the most likely ones. Basically If someone seems to be dishonest I first take a good look at their posture afterwards their body language then tone followed by the "phrasing" of the words. These ones rarely lie in my opinion and they betray people very easily and finally I add the words a bit later. I sometimes stare a bit at people a bit too long during the process so end up looking either extremely slow or unfriendly.
Usually it works but it's not infallible.
Nah man, not canadian.(Haha this is fun, people will never find out :laugh:)

[felt up]

Reading between the lines? Yes. What is actually said has less value to me than what is said. I just wish I didn't have to focus on it so much in my relationships with others. It turns me off those individuals because ultimately they seem fake.

[gloomy-optimist]

I actually don't even notice I'm reading people. I didn't for the longest time; I knew that I understood them better than others, but I didn't notice how I read them until after I read the INFJ description and started taking note. After a while, it was almost obvious.
And you know, it explains a lot of things; I react to people differently, depending on how they react to me. That's where the "different sides" of me comes into play; I don't do it on purpose >.> I just read people unconsciously and it affects how I respond to them...


I've always wanted to have an INFJ manning up session for the ones I know. I just wanted to rent some big six foot eight black dude, have them start a fight with the INFJ and then take a dive after messing up the INFJ a little to make it seem real.

Nah forget it, you guys will probably ask the guy if he is alright after you think you kicked his ass.

Haha, I probably would :yes: When I was younger, I'd daydream about beating people up that needed it as a kind of righteous justice sort of thing, but I never actually hit anyone. I never found anyone who I hated enough to :B
And I'd probably feel horrible afterwards, too....

[InaF3157]

Reading between the lines? Yes. What is actually said has less value to me than what is said. I just wish I didn't have to focus on it so much in my relationships with others. It turns me off those individuals because ultimately they seem fake.

I do that and I am far from INFJ.

Another thing is reading into what details people include in their hypos that are more revealing than they realized or intended, e.g.: the color of a dong a mom walks in on, or of a guy sent in to teach an INFJ to man-up.

[Dwigie]

Yeah, but we all do it so I'm not that disgusted by dishonesty in itself,it's the reason the person is lying to me that might make "walk away".(I do that a lot, just walk away) Sometimes they're embarrassed, shy, or they don't trust me, I try to check my own behavior first and see if I'm not giving off a negative vibe because I'm usually "grumpy,aggressive,critical" in that order. However, sometimes they're just trying to take your money (happened to me when I tried to buy books for 12th grade:azdaja:) and think you're an idiot. >.>

[gloomy-optimist]

I do that and I am far from INFJ.

Another thing is reading into what details people include in their hypos that are more revealing than they realized or intended, e.g.: the color of a dong a mom walks in on, or of a guy sent in to teach an INFJ to man-up.

Hehe, I don't mind hypos; for me, it depends on what mood and tone they're being told in. Intention is usually much more important to me than the actual words spoken or even some of the ideas behind the words; so if it's light-hearted and all in good fun, then that's fine in my book, even if it is a little bit etchy.

[Angry Ayrab]

I do that and I am far from INFJ.

Another thing is reading into what details people include in their hypos that are more revealing than they realized or intended, e.g.: the color of a dong a mom walks in on, or of a guy sent in to teach an INFJ to man-up.

:D Sometimes excersing our intuition too much even makes us sound like delusional crack whores standing by a toilet after a two week meth binge staring through the blinds prepared to flush... :D

Only sometimes...

[InaF3157]

:D Sometimes excersing our intuition too much even makes us sound like delusional crack whores standing by a toilet after a two week meth binge staring through the blinds prepared to flush... :D

Only sometimes...

What do you mean? (Intuition turned off). Give an example . . . from experience if you wish.
As an aside, I learned today that crack whores go on long meth binges. Is meth cheaper than crack?

[Angry Ayrab]

What do you mean? (Intuition turned off). Give an example, from experience if you wish.
As an aside, I learned today that crack whores go on long meth binges. Is meth cheaper than crack?

Well, they both work on the same receptor sites in the limbic system, it's just that Meth lasts for 6-8 hours for the same amount while crack lasts anywhere from 15-30 minutes only.

Lol, and I don't mean anything, I was joking that you took my jestful comments and hinted that there maybe something deeper about me mentioning the race of a person used to man someone one up. When I only meant it is a catch common slang phrase that I hear all the time in my part of town. Sure it could have been seen insensitive or could have had hidden meanings like me being racist or secretly gay for black men, but I assure you I was too shallow at the moment to show any signs of hidden connotation.

from me to you... :hug: I think I joke to ruff.

[InaF3157]

Oh, you were calling me a delusional crack whore standing by a toilet after a two week meth binge.
These delightful NFs. :coffee:

[Angry Ayrab]

Oh you were calling me a delusional crack whore standing by a toilet after a two week meth binge.
These delightful NFs.

You guys need to learn how to use emoticons/smilies. :devil:

[gloomy-optimist]

Oh, you were calling me a delusional crack whore standing by a toilet after a two week meth binge.
These delightful NFs. :coffee:

You NTs are way too serious :D

[Thunderlight]

Sure we're nice people, caring etc,

but then theres days when Im:

not courteous
Only care about myself
Ready to rip someones head off
I want things to go totally my way today

I think we should talk about that because we all know the other stuff :)

[felt up]

Sure we're nice people, caring etc,

but then theres days when Im:

not courteous
Only care about myself
Ready to rip someones head off
I want things to go totally my way today

I think we should talk about that because we all know the other stuff :)


I think I'm like this most of the time, except I don't want to rip someone's head off everyday. Maybe every other day.:cheese:

The main criticism of those closest to me is that I'm too selfish. I'm not one to give of my (physical) time and energy to others. I feel I'm very generous and giving in other ways. I love to help others recognize their untapped potential and greatness, but it seems to be a meaningless attribute. Extreme martyrdom is a valued trait in women of my age.

[gloomy-optimist]

I get this deal where I'll get really stressed way too easy, and things go downhill from there. I'm a wonderful picture of the ideal INFJ....in a stress-free environment where I have all the time in the world and a dream to move towards.
Otherwise, I can be overly shy in new situations; I can be very irritable to people I know well, which is really kind of bad because they notice I'm courteous to people I don't know well. I just feel more comfortable around my friends so they have to hear my wrath.
Not to mention I can be selfish, unmotivated, spacey, unable to sort my priorities, etc. etc. And I'm not afraid to admit it: I can be a real bitch if you catch me at the wrong time.
And then I can also be very self-absorbed because I want to understand myself better (or understand myself period)...and I get lost in that sometimes.

[faith]

-the world stops when the favorite part of your song comes on...

-you see connections between radically different things

-you understand the nature of people but don't know how to be with them

-you feel like when you make a connection with someone, it's for life. Long after they've disappeared, they regularly show up in your daydreams

-you can't inhabit an environment that is unaesthetically pleasing for too long

-you know what you want but you never seem to be able to get it

particularly, yes.

[faith]

I've always wanted to have an INFJ manning up session for the ones I know. I just wanted to rent some big six foot eight black dude, have them start a fight with the INFJ and then take a dive after messing up the INFJ a little to make it seem real.

Nah forget it, you guys will probably ask the guy if he is alright after you think you kicked his ass.

Yeah, probably.

When I was little, my dad played checkers with me and arranged it for me to win. When I realized I'd beat him (so I thought), I refused to make the final moves because I couldn't bear to see him lose.

[Dwigie]

Yeah, probably.

When I was little, my dad played checkers with me and arranged it for me to win. When I realized I'd beat him (so I thought), I refused to make the final moves because I couldn't bear to see him lose.

:laugh:, I saw that they did that usually. I'd tell them to be extremely hard on me and then I'd keep trying, basically I was an obsessively competitive kid. Losing was not in my vocabulary (it still isn't but I tone it down:ninja:)
I remember playing video games with my brother and I'd just keep going. He'd ask me if I was tired of losing and I'd tell him to continue and eventually I always won:D. Being a sore-loser has gotten me far in competitions of any kind actually.

[Kyrielle]

:laugh:, I saw that they did that usually. I'd tell them to be extremely hard on me and then I'd keep trying, basically I was an obsessively competitive kid. Losing was not in my vocabulary (it still isn't but I tone it down:ninja)
I remember playing video games with my brother and I'd just keep going. He'd ask me if I was tired of losing and I'd tell him to continue and eventually I always won:D. Being a sore-loser has gotten me far in competitions of any kind actually.


Haha, sounds like me. But I'm not a terrible sore loser. Like I don't go off and pout and carry on. I might swear, look irritable, and then say, "Again." I do hate giving up, because I know I'll get it next time!

[ByMySword]

So I was talking to a friend of mine (Metamorphosis) and we were talking about the motivations of INFJs.

Earlier I pointed out that I notice (at least in myself) selfish motives for helping people and the like. It seemed I was the odd one out.

lol, now I think part of that maybe some of us don't like to delve that far into ourselves to find something that could be perceived as negative, but I've never thought of it as necessarily negative, and after I talked to my friend I was even more sure of it.

From what we could gather, INFJs are motivated by values moreso than actually caring about the individual.

So hypothetically, when helping someone we have no emotional connection to, its not because we really care about their welfare as much as it is we want to make sure that we are upholding the values of helping someone. The person we're helping gets helped, and we get the personal satisfaction of knowing we upheld our own values.

So this is what I was saying about selfish motivations. I didn't mean it as a bad thing, and I don't think its wrong to feel good about yourself for upholding your values.

Can anyone identify with this?

[Dwigie]

Haha, sounds like me. But I'm not a terrible sore loser. Like I don't go off and pout and carry on. I might swear, look irritable, and then say, "Again." I do hate giving up, because I know I'll get it next time!

I'm not an "open sore loser", I seem to lose gracefully but you have no idea of the thousands of plans I'm coming up with to get back at people or win the next game...sometimes it embarrasses me.:smile:
I think one thing with INFJs is that we're probably good at concealing our flaws?
Maybe that's why people think we're angels.
We're just polite...in general and most people don't care much for the rest if you're nice and polite to them.

[ByMySword]

Maybe that's why people think we're angels.

Yeah, whats up with that? :devil:

[Dwigie]

So I was talking to a friend of mine (Metamorphosis) and we were talking about the motivations of INFJs.

Earlier I pointed out that I notice (at least in myself) selfish motives for helping people and the like. It seemed I was the odd one out.

lol, now I think part of that maybe some of us don't like to delve that far into ourselves to find something that could be perceived as negative, but I've never thought of it as necessarily negative, and after I talked to my friend I was even more sure of it.

From what we could gather, INFJs are motivated by values moreso than actually caring about the individual.

So hypothetically, when helping someone we have no emotional connection to, its not because we really care about their welfare as much as it is we want to make sure that we are upholding the values of helping someone. The person we're helping gets helped, and we get the personal satisfaction of knowing we upheld our own values.

So this is what I was saying about selfish motivations. I didn't mean it as a bad thing, and I don't think its wrong to feel good about yourself for upholding your values.

Can anyone identify with this?

+ 5:nice:
:yes:!!! I mean most of us don't think we're angels, it's probably for that reason too ;). I do like to help people, it makes me sad to see them sad, so in a way relieving them if possible relieves me too emotion-wise.
If I wasn't affected by them I don't think I'd lift a finger.:huh: You're completely right, concerning my case that is.

I remember having that dilemma last year and wondering :
Do my gestures of kindness come from "the heart" or are they simply "principles" I try to follow?
If they did I should feel good about helping all the people I have so far in my life but I don't." Of course it's not like we never have any emotional connection, sometimes it does "move" us and not just our "principles".
I concluded I was actually pretty "self-interested" in that way underneath it all...it kind of disappointed me at first but I got over it, Psht I'm not Jesus :blink:, I'm a human being. (But maybe that's just you being mature and honest with yourself?:)..wait how old are you?(Sometimes it feels wrong talking this way to someone over 30 :blink:)
That's why some descriptions making us seem like goodhearted angels are a bunch of bs.:D, in my opinion.

[MrRandom]

- You have a natural connection with animals. You might occasionally feel that you more readily like animals than humans.

Or maybe it's just me...

[Dwigie]

- You have a natural connection with animals. You might occasionally feel that you more readily like animals than humans.

Or maybe it's just me...

:yes:...I think like an animal (But I attribute that to the enneagram 6 "selfpreserving" mentality) I love them, they hate me.

[ByMySword]

Of course it's not like we never have any emotional connection, sometimes it does "move" us and not just our "principles".

Of course we do sometimes. Especially with the people we care about, i.e. friends, family.

I concluded I was actually pretty "self-interested" in that way underneath it all...it kind of disappointed me at first but I got over it, Psht I'm not Jesus :blink:, I'm a human being. (But maybe that's just you being mature and honest with yourself?:)..wait how old are you?(Sometimes it feels wrong talking this way to someone over 30 :blink:)

I'm 21. And I agree, we're not perfect. But we have to be mature enough to admit what could come across as a negative trait, but really isn't in light of things.

My principles are what define me. If I don't back them up with action, then who am I?

Sure, I helped someone and thats fine and grand, but if I had to weigh what its really about, its about self preservation.

And because of it, there is a mutual benefit, so who cares if it was from the "heart" or not? Your principles and values come from the "heart", so that should be good enough.

[Apollanaut]

I get this deal where I'll get really stressed way too easy, and things go downhill from there. I'm a wonderful picture of the ideal INFJ....in a stress-free environment where I have all the time in the world and a dream to move towards.
Otherwise, I can be overly shy in new situations; I can be very irritable to people I know well, which is really kind of bad because they notice I'm courteous to people I don't know well. I just feel more comfortable around my friends so they have to hear my wrath.
Not to mention I can be selfish, unmotivated, spacey, unable to sort my priorities, etc. etc. And I'm not afraid to admit it: I can be a real bitch if you catch me at the wrong time.
And then I can also be very self-absorbed because I want to understand myself better (or understand myself period)...and I get lost in that sometimes.

Oh that so goes for me too! On a bad day, I can give off a sort of festering irritability that keeps others unsure how to deal with me.

[Thunderlight]

Maybe that's why people think we're angels.

Yeah, whats up with that? I think its because we hold them up to higher standards? I do anways, I always want people to act like me (hahaha that didnt sound narcissistic :happy:)


I do hate giving up, because I know I'll get it next time!

Haha u sound like a gambler! ;)

[ThePenIsMightier]

So I was talking to a friend of mine (Metamorphosis) and we were talking about the motivations of INFJs.

Earlier I pointed out that I notice (at least in myself) selfish motives for helping people and the like. It seemed I was the odd one out.

lol, now I think part of that maybe some of us don't like to delve that far into ourselves to find something that could be perceived as negative, but I've never thought of it as necessarily negative, and after I talked to my friend I was even more sure of it.

From what we could gather, INFJs are motivated by values moreso than actually caring about the individual.

So hypothetically, when helping someone we have no emotional connection to, its not because we really care about their welfare as much as it is we want to make sure that we are upholding the values of helping someone. The person we're helping gets helped, and we get the personal satisfaction of knowing we upheld our own values.

So this is what I was saying about selfish motivations. I didn't mean it as a bad thing, and I don't think its wrong to feel good about yourself for upholding your values.

Can anyone identify with this?

I'm with you 110% here. I've had to think about this a bit recently for various reasons. I came to the conclusion that my value of helping people may give me some personal satisfaction but it's also my motivation for helping people. So it serves a good purpose I think.

[Dwigie]

Of course we do sometimes. Especially with the people we care about, i.e. friends, family.



I'm 21. And I agree, we're not perfect. But we have to be mature enough to admit what could come across as a negative trait, but really isn't in light of things.

My principles are what define me. If I don't back them up with action, then who am I?

Sure, I helped someone and thats fine and grand, but if I had to weigh what its really about, its about self preservation.

And because of it, there is a mutual benefit, so who cares if it was from the "heart" or not? Your principles and values come from the "heart", so that should be good enough.

Yeah but it's just that I used to try and be selfless before, because I admired that "trait" then I realized it was impossible to be completely selfless.
I'm pretty much all or nothing in my view of things usually. Rarely any in betweens.
I was mixing up generosity and selflessness which is unhealthy in the long run because I kept little for myself and felt guilty for doing so then resented people when it didn't go the other way around o.O= dumb kid, thank god I grew out of that. I've always had trouble defining boundaries as a kid, and sometimes even now.) Basically I started having more realistic expectations for myself and I became happier:D.

[batumi]

Your life is ruled by strange coincidences (I'll shut up for a while now - I don't want to hog this thread!)

Yes. Thank you!!!

[ByMySword]

I'm pretty much all or nothing in my view of things usually. Rarely any in betweens.

I too am like this. It can be an issue sometimes as I feel everything in moderation is the best philosophy. I try my best to avoid the extremes, but its hard for me sometimes.

[batumi]

You start a conversation with someone w/ no context because its a continuation of your internal dialogue.

I do that quite often, daily even.

[Lotr246]

you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long

you talk about the epiphanies you've had

[Kyrielle]

- You have a natural connection with animals. You might occasionally feel that you more readily like animals than humans.

Or maybe it's just me...

Not just you. When I was little the neighbourhood called me Dr. Doolittle. It's easy to talk to animals; you just copy what they do right back, gauge their reaction, and eventually build a basic vocabulary of their body language. Actually, it's just like interfacing with humans except simpler.

Haha u sound like a gambler! ;)

If I weren't so tight with my money, I might well be. ;)

you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long

you talk about the epiphanies you've had

Yes. (I made a long post about that in the chameleon thread.) And yes.

[dan.yo33]

Does anyone else have this thing with how comfortable they feel with touching people? I get pretty uncomfortable with people I'm not familiar with, but the people I truly care for I sometimes practically smother...
If I am holding hands, leaning on, or hugging someone often, that's almost a sure sign that they're really close to my heart....


Now that I think about it that is very true. The other day a friend noted that I'm really touchy-feely with everyone, which I really disagreed with and isn't actually true... it just so happens we were around only close friends!

[gloomy-optimist]

you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long

you talk about the epiphanies you've had

:nice:
I've realized this more and more recently. I can bring out all my inner energies only around people that externalize their own; I can bring out my philosophical side only around people that are contemplative; etc. etc. It's really kind of annoying :doh:

- You have a natural connection with animals. You might occasionally feel that you more readily like animals than humans.

Or maybe it's just me...

I've had a few rather aggressive dogs like me straight out; animals tend to feel comfortable around me. Don't really know why.


I'm 21. And I agree, we're not perfect. But we have to be mature enough to admit what could come across as a negative trait, but really isn't in light of things.

My principles are what define me. If I don't back them up with action, then who am I?

Sure, I helped someone and thats fine and grand, but if I had to weigh what its really about, its about self preservation.

And because of it, there is a mutual benefit, so who cares if it was from the "heart" or not? Your principles and values come from the "heart", so that should be good enough.

I don't think a lot of my friends understand this about me; sometimes it's not so much that I want to do something, but rather simply the fact that I said I'd do it. And I will stick with it until it is quite obvious that I have to change. My sister doesn't understand a lot of time why I'm so anal about being somewhere on time; if I said I'm going to be there for someone, then damn straight I'll be there exactly when I said I would be.
Unfortunately, I've been in a few jams where I promised someone something, but I could go through with it because the situation was so complicated....that's a really horrible feeling...

[gloomy-optimist]

You know you're INFJ when you get sudden bursts of extreme affection for someone or something, rather than a semi-constant stream

....and it usually occurs when they're not there, and you spam them with loving messages/emails/etc and they're like "what the hell...?"

[Evi]

Cripe, this thread moves along...

Yeah, whats up with that? :devil:

I agree, what is that? The first impression people seem to have of me is one that is very sweet and innocent. I'm not. If they knew what was going on in my head they wouldn't think that. Friends also think they're corrupting me when I do or say something less than innocent.

"Originally Posted by Lotr246
you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long
you talk about the epiphanies you've had"

I do this a lot with films and books, talking after watching the six hour BBC Pride and Prejudice can be interesting. It's also the reason I refuse to read books like Lord of the Flies and why it took me four months to read Crime and Punishment. I can't stand being in disturbed people's heads. I start to think like them a little. It's scary.

[Thunderlight]

"Originally Posted by Lotr246
you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long
you talk about the epiphanies you've had"

I do this a lot with films and books, talking after watching the six hour BBC Pride and Prejudice can be interesting. It's also the reason I refuse to read books like Lord of the Flies and why it took me four months to read Crime and Punishment. I can't stand being in disturbed people's heads. I start to think like them a little. It's scary.

O my god... so true. I hate movies where the character goes insane and starts to question reality. I really start to freak out. The big "What If" factor plays into this

[LindseyLadybug]

you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long

you talk about the epiphanies you've had

Yes, and it wasn't a big deal if I immitated my parents growing up b/c they thought it was cute, but now....now I have to be careful. Is anyone else really great at impersonations (voice & mannerisms)? I pick it up so easily and sometimes subconsciously. Heck, I can already do an impersonation of my choir director and I've only had her for like 2 months! My friend who's been in her class for 1 yr is like, "Oh my gosh, how do you do that?!" Hahaha! I don't know what the director would do if she saw me.

You start a conversation with someone w/ no context because its a continuation of your internal dialogue.

You think you have explained yourself well in a paper but the teacher marks in red "elaborate", "more", or "expand".

Haha! Yep, my friends and I will be talking about something and that'll remind me of something else which will remind me of something else...and all of a sudden I'm like, "Dude, do you remember that one time when_______?" and they say, "Where the heck did that come from?"

Ugh! Yes, I hate that!

Does anyone else have this thing with how comfortable they feel with touching people? I get pretty uncomfortable with people I'm not familiar with, but the people I truly care for I sometimes practically smother...
If I am holding hands, leaning on, or hugging someone often, that's almost a sure sign that they're really close to my heart....

Yep! Some of my friends will think I'm stand offish and don't want people touching me and then randomnly I'll hug them or something and they just kind of flinch because it's unexpected and then stare at me with their head tilted to the side. Hehe! :hug::shock: But yes, I consider it a threat when someone I barely know or do not like tries to touch me. I'm thinking, "Um...you piss me off. What makes you think I want to hug you?!"

You know you're INFJ when you get sudden bursts of extreme affection for someone or something, rather than a semi-constant stream

....and it usually occurs when they're not there, and you spam them with loving messages/emails/etc and they're like "what the hell...?"

Oh, what a relief! It freaks me out so I try to be discreet about it. I thought there was something wrong with me! I'm actually experiencing it right now...and I don't even know why. Well, I know it's because I admire this person but yeah...:huh:

[Kaizer]

Haha! Yep, my friends and I will be talking about something and that'll remind me of something else which will remind me of something else...and all of a sudden I'm like, "Dude, do you remember that one time when_______?" and they say, "Where the heck did that come from?"

an INTP thing too I think.

[Kyrielle]

You know you're INFJ when you get sudden bursts of extreme affection for someone or something, rather than a semi-constant stream

....and it usually occurs when they're not there, and you spam them with loving messages/emails/etc and they're like "what the hell...?"

Yes. I'll share this slightly embarrassing moment in one of my classes. The class was having a discussion on generative and software art and at some point a handful of us started talking about code and what roles it plays in computers and all this other exceedingly detailed material that I could only dream of truly knowing anything about. Well...quite suddenly...I wanted to hug every single damn person in the room taking part in that little mini discussion. I had no rational reason why. I just wanted to so badly. I went home and told this story to my roommate, who promptly teased me for the next week about wanting to jump unsuspecting programmers' bones or cuddle them. :blush:

So, yeah. I do the same thing. Even down to the random e-mails to people I know well and care about.

I do this a lot with films and books, talking after watching the six hour BBC Pride and Prejudice can be interesting. It's also the reason I refuse to read books like Lord of the Flies and why it took me four months to read Crime and Punishment. I can't stand being in disturbed people's heads. I start to think like them a little. It's scary.

I don't mind it, though it is scary. It's even more frightening when I realise I'm not even that far away from being that disturbed if I think about it. There really isn't much holding sanity in place, and whatever that is is intangible and bound to be fragile. Understanding the fragility of your sanity. That is what is scary.

O my god... so true. I hate movies where the character goes insane and starts to question reality. I really start to freak out. The big "What If" factor plays into this

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

[Thunderlight]

^ yea, I do. Then I try and scramble away from the hypothetical black hole. Cause heaven knows Ive got enough worries about my sanity than to add someone else's thoughts to the mix

[Travo7]

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

I do this at work. Boxes become orcs and I become legolas trying to "put away" as many of them as I can. Daydreaming while doing my job is kind of something that gets me through it.

[Travo7]

I've also noticed that understanding other people's minds/motives can sometimes be the greatest curse, in a way.

[ByMySword]

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!!!!!

YOU MEAN I'M NOT CRAZY?????

[SuperFob]

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?
Middle Earth once became my real home for several years.

[Dwigie]

Yes, I do! :happy2: the movie theater thing and the mini discussion too!
I often thought I was mentally ill too, I would read things about narcissism and avoidant personality disorder and whatnot and I could relate so I thought I was crazy.
Then my friend reminded me one important factor:
- crazy people never consider themselves to even possibly be crazy.
(But I still think I do.:ninja:)

[Evi]

O my god... so true. I hate movies where the character goes insane and starts to question reality. I really start to freak out. The big "What If" factor plays into this

Understanding! The family/friends I watch movies with don't get this, they think I'm nuts for thinking as if I'm in another persons head, and I agree to a certain extent. Maybe this is the reason I dislike horror films? Combining the loss of sanity with empathizing with the characters fears. Also I don't need help freaking myself out, my mind is a horror film easily enough on my own. The really disturbing parts often get put on loop in my head as I try to processes them. The images stay with me for days and I can easily recall them years latter. Anyone else dislike horror?


Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

Ummm, yes. This is especially true if I don't currently feel like dealing with my own life. I don't often become the main characters, instead I carve out a place for myself with in that world, rework the story line a little or add to it. Middle Earth was a regular escape for me too.

[Dwigie]

You know you're an infj when your view of life is a mixture of deep skepticism(99) and idealism.(1%) (:) percentages may vary depending on moods.)
It's not that you're a grinch, you just don't like bullshit.
:)

[felt up]

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards?

Fantasy IS reality...at least for me.

Reality is a nightmare.

[felt up]

O my god... so true. I hate movies where the character goes insane and starts to question reality. I really start to freak out. The big "What If" factor plays into this

Notice the insane characters seem to know what's really going on and and nobody else does until it's too late? Yes, soylent green really is people.

[felt up]

I've also noticed that understanding other people's minds/motives can sometimes be the greatest curse, in a way.


Yes, Travo7, I hate the knowingness. I feel it isolates me from other people because I'm too busy putting them in a petri dish to really connect with them.

[gloomy-optimist]

Yes. I'll share this slightly embarrassing moment in one of my classes. The class was having a discussion on generative and software art and at some point a handful of us started talking about code and what roles it plays in computers and all this other exceedingly detailed material that I could only dream of truly knowing anything about. Well...quite suddenly...I wanted to hug every single damn person in the room taking part in that little mini discussion. I had no rational reason why. I just wanted to so badly. I went home and told this story to my roommate, who promptly teased me for the next week about wanting to jump unsuspecting programmers' bones or cuddle them. :blush:

So, yeah. I do the same thing. Even down to the random e-mails to people I know well and care about.


I get that a lot on this site sometimes, and I don't really know why. Probably because I'm the only one I know in real life that's interested in mbti, and I can talk about it here; people actually make an effort to understand me :/
That means a lot, even if I don't know them, they don't know me, and we probably will never get beyond that.


Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

I do it almost subconsciously. Actually, that's basically what it is; I replay movies in my mind and sometimes get a real emotional response to it.
That's why I can't watch scary movies. My ESTP friend doesn't really understand it, but horror movies seem to come to life to me sometimes, and the effects last so long because of the paranoia it sends me into...
Want to make me a clingy, stressed out, sick, sad excuse of a person for a week or more? Make me watch a "good" horror movie.

[Thunderlight]

so im guessing you guys also get into movies so much you forget the screen is there? And you become sad when characters die in books? (DUMBLEDORE!!!:cry::shocking::puppy_dog_eyes::cry: )

[Peguy]

And you become sad when characters die in books? (DUMBLEDORE!!!:cry::shocking::puppy_dog_eyes::cry: )

Well I don't read fiction too much, so I really can't say. If I'm reading about an interesting person and then they die, you could say that. I just don't really know how this could apply fully to non-fiction books; even though I tend to read them as if they were stories. ;)

[Evi]

so im guessing you guys also get into movies so much you forget the screen is there? And you become sad when characters die in books? (DUMBLEDORE!!!:cry::shocking::puppy_dog_eyes::cry: )

Correct.

I cryed at the end of Voyage of the Dawn Treader when Lucy and Edmond could never come back to Narnia. Books were/are my friends and more real to me than some people.

[Thunderlight]

awwww me too. and the scene with the white flowers in the water was so beautiful

[Kyrielle]

so im guessing you guys also get into movies so much you forget the screen is there? And you become sad when characters die in books? (DUMBLEDORE!!!:cry::shocking::puppy_dog_eyes::cry: )

Yes. I cried when Dumbledore died. And I cried through most of the last book for that series. And when Lucy and Peter were told they couldn't go back (oh I remember thinking clearly, "But it's not fair!"). And when I thought Frodo was dead in Cirith Ungol (I did something I normally don't do...I ran and grabbed the last book and checked ahead to see if he lived...it bothered me that much. :blush:).

I'm the same as Evi. Sometimes characters in books end up becoming close friends in my mind. Makes it horrible when the book ends and the story is over and I have to say goodbye to them.


Here is one I'm wondering is just me:

When ordering food, it is easy for someone to change your mind because you realise, on the spot, that this new idea is better and the result is everyone getting confused by what you want (including, probably, yourself) so you have to go back and summarise what you think you want. That was a long one. But I wondered yesterday if other people are as easily swayed to choose something else when it comes to ordering things. (I would need a firm wingman with me when buying cars. Not because I would overspend, but because I would get tired and confused from considering all the options the dealer would throw at me.)

[LindseyLadybug]

Here is one I'm wondering is just me:

When ordering food, it is easy for someone to change your mind because you realise, on the spot, that this new idea is better and the result is everyone getting confused by what you want (including, probably, yourself) so you have to go back and summarise what you think you want. That was a long one. But I wondered yesterday if other people are as easily swayed to choose something else when it comes to ordering things. (I would need a firm wingman with me when buying cars. Not because I would overspend, but because I would get tired and confused from considering all the options the dealer would throw at me.)

Yep! I do that pretty much every time unless it's a familar restaurant and I always order the same thing there. But yeah, I'm famous for, "Oh wait, I want that instead!!" and my, "Oooh! I didn't know they had that! I changed my mind."

[Peguy]

Yeah it's annoying when trying to order food when not only you have several good choices, and people are constantly giving you suggestions.

[Lotr246]

You are aware of the other possibilities, and yet, you dismiss them because that would mean changing your whole position on a topic.

You sometimes draw a blank during conversations, while other times you're as eloquent as they come.

[Thunderlight]

You are aware of the other possibilities, and yet, you dismiss them because that would mean changing your whole position on a topic.

You sometimes draw a blank during conversations, while other times you're as eloquent as they come.


both so true.


I think that people (especially in political topics) dont want to change their minds because they grew up with those ideas. And if its especially close to their hearts; like their whole purpose in life, they'd rather die than admit being wrong because theyd have no reason to live.

hope that made sense

[Lotr246]

both so true.


I think that people (especially in political topics) dont want to change their minds because they grew up with those ideas. And if its especially close to their hearts; like their whole purpose in life, they'd rather die than admit being wrong because theyd have no reason to live.

hope that made sense

Yeah, it does make sense. Although, I sometimes see it more as, "I'm right, and everyone else should see it too." Do you agree with the drawing a blank thing during conversations? You know you have something to say, but when you actually say it, you start to hear yourself and can't focus on what you were trying to say next. I do that all the time. :blush: Didn't know if it was an INFJ thing, or not.

[Kyrielle]

Do you agree with the drawing a blank thing during conversations? You know you have something to say, but when you actually say it, you start to hear yourself and can't focus on what you were trying to say next. I do that all the time. :blush: Didn't know if it was an INFJ thing, or not.

Yeah, I do that about 25% of the time when I'm trying to explain an idea. I've said this elsewhere before, but, sometimes what I want to say will fly out of my head and I'll completely forget what I was talking about. Most of the time, though, I just lose track of the point I was trying to make and ramble on until I remember what it was.

[gloomy-optimist]

Yeah, it does make sense. Although, I sometimes see it more as, "I'm right, and everyone else should see it too." Do you agree with the drawing a blank thing during conversations? You know you have something to say, but when you actually say it, you start to hear yourself and can't focus on what you were trying to say next. I do that all the time. :blush: Didn't know if it was an INFJ thing, or not.

I relate to that a lot. And I cannot remember names for the life of me; I forgot my roommate's name today. I LIVE WITH HER.
Has anyone ever just kind of....trailed off? Like, not even really forgetting, just a pause in the middle of the conversation.
And I have a tendency to look around when I'm thinking quickly about something, especially if I'm elaborating on something; often times, I'll focus on a point in the distance without realizing it. My sister says it makes me look really spacey...

[LindseyLadybug]

Usually if I'm having a discussion with someone on a controversial topic and they bring up a point I've never considered, I'll admit I don't know, then I'll go look it up or buy a book about it and try to get back with them.

Yep, I'm always drawing a blank. It usually happens when I'm put on the spot or rushed. I tend to trail off more when I'm discussing something I'm passionate about because I get so into it that my thoughts can't keep up with my mouth. lol I've noticed I have a hard time keeping eye contact when I talk with someone for a long period of time. It's almost as if I'm looking around in my brain. lol I don't know.

[IDK123]

Do any of you tend to remember people's birthdays from or conversations with people from a few years back?

[gloomy-optimist]

Do any of you tend to remember people's birthdays from or conversations with people from a few years back?

ONLY if I really embedded that in my brain first. It takes a lot to sear a date in my mind, but once it's in, it sticks for a while.

[Peguy]

Usually if I'm having a discussion with someone on a controversial topic and they bring up a point I've never considered, I'll admit I don't know, then I'll go look it up or buy a book about it and try to get back with them.

Yes this is me all the time.

[littledarling]

you pick up traits and mannerisms of people you have been around too long

you talk about the epiphanies you've had

Yes! Both of these are so true for me. After spending a lot of time with someone I have to get away and get a bearing on who I am, otherwise I fear that I'll just turn into a carbon copy of them.

[SuperFob]

You order a meal from McDonald's, pay for it, then walk away without remembering to actually get the food because you're daydreaming about yoga class.

[gloomy-optimist]

Or better yet, you leave just random things where they don't belong because you're too preoccupied to remember them :D

[sade]

^ Whoops. :D

[Silent Stars]

Or better yet, you leave just random things where they don't belong because you're too preoccupied to remember them :D
I do that all the time.

[gloomy-optimist]

I do that all the time.

I actually do it a lot with things like my shoes :D
I'll take my shoes off absentmindedly in another person's dorm room, then I'll walk away without them and forget where I left them; I have to search through like 7 rooms to find where I left them sometimes.

[Kyrielle]

I actually do it a lot with things like my shoes :D
I'll take my shoes off absentmindedly in another person's dorm room, then I'll walk away without them and forget where I left them; I have to search through like 7 rooms to find where I left them sometimes.

Funny. I take an SP approach to it (from...this thread (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/sp-private-forum/9370-question-y-all.html)). I always put them in the same place because then I will be able to create a visual and phsycial memory of where the object is. Like my keys. They always go in the main pocket of my bag, my bed, or my desk. Nowhere else. If I am ever in question as to where they are, I can check those places and odds are they will be there.

Though I sometimes don't put them there, and when that happens I panic a little bit and then remember to just do all the physical motions I was doing at the time in reverse and I can usually remember what happened.

[gloomy-optimist]

Funny. I take an SP approach to it (from...this thread (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/sp-private-forum/9370-question-y-all.html)). I always put them in the same place because then I will be able to create a visual and phsycial memory of where the object is. Like my keys. They always go in the main pocket of my bag, my bed, or my desk. Nowhere else. If I am ever in question as to where they are, I can check those places and odds are they will be there.

Though I sometimes don't put them there, and when that happens I panic a little bit and then remember to just do all the physical motions I was doing at the time in reverse and I can usually remember what happened.

Lol, yeah; I have places for all my other stuff. For the most part, anyways; but that's why it's usually just my shoes I lose.

[Thunderlight]

I love deja vu. I had it twice today

[vince]

Notice the insane characters seem to know what's really going on and and nobody else does until it's too late? Yes, soylent green really is people.

!!
Sad but true.

I've always wondered about that. Why does the mainstream gratefully accept weirdo's, geeks, nutjobs, paranoiacs, ...as the hero or savior in movies, while at the same time couldn't care less about them in real life..

You order a meal from McDonald's, pay for it, then walk away without remembering to actually get the food because you're daydreaming about yoga class.

yeah. or worse cash machines.

[faith]

You know you're INFJ when you get sudden bursts of extreme affection for someone or something, rather than a semi-constant stream

....and it usually occurs when they're not there, and you spam them with loving messages/emails/etc and they're like "what the hell...?"

LOL! So true!

It used to freak out my ISFJ mom when I was little, but my ENFJ dad adored it.

[faith]

Do you ever, after movies, pretend it's real for a little while afterwards? Just inside your head. You know...you go see something epic and adventurous and you come out of the theater thinking that it all happened to you for a few hours. Do all people do this?

I do it. I do it when I read, too. I used to think everyone did it, but I'm becoming convinced that they don't. It's why I feel so outraged when someone interrupts my book or movie: they're ruining my world! And yet I've noticed that many other people don't seem to have such strong reactions.

Once I was reading an emotional novel and, without thinking, I was suddenly one of the characters, feeling and saying what they felt and said. It wasn't until my german shepherd stuck her face between mine and the book and licked my nose that I realized I'd been muttering and my face was wet with tears.

[Dwigie]

You're quite vindictive underneath all your "fuzzyness", if someone hurts you, you're not going to play victim. You're going to get them back twice as hard and with not a single ounce of pity :devil:!!!!

[Kyrielle]

You're quite vindictive underneath all your "fuzzyness", if someone hurts you, you're not going to play victim. You're going to get them back twice as hard and with not a single ounce of pity :devil:!!!!

Depends on how bad it is. Usually, I end up feeling guilty and don't do it, despite my intense desire to do something really bad to the other person.

But there was that one time I had to literally clean up shit on the last day of my job right before my lunch break--some poor woman's bowels exploded in the bathroom. I told management about it, since it was company policy for a manager to handle cleaning bodily fluids as having a newbie like me might pose a health hazard. But they just looked at me like I was some lazy chump (lazy...HA! I worked harder than anyone around me!) and told me to clean it up myself. It didn't help that the week before some guy threw up in the breakroom and I had to clean it up then right before I went home...the stupid idiot who threw up couldn't be bothered to do it himself. (And just remembering this is making me so angry all over again. :doh:) Well, I did clean it up (none of the other people would and I just couldn't leave the bathroom like that), but not without a constant stream of tears and expletives while doing so. I had every intention of walking out and never saying a word to them ever again. Actually, I did walk out and I did walk home and I did not want to talk with their sorry asses again, but my mother scolded me for what I considered bravery and audacity and promptly told me to call them back and call in sick because I "didn't want to burn that bridge". Even though I did want to...I wanted to watch that sucker burn to ash.

[iwakar]

"You know you're an INFJ when..."

...someone violates your trust, sense of moral compass, or a dearly held principle and you write them off the face of the earth and never look back.

Word. We're so effin gangster that way.

[LindseyLadybug]

"You know you're an INFJ when..."

...someone violates your trust, sense of moral compass, or a dearly held principle and you write them off the face of the earth and never look back.

Word. We're so effin gangster that way.

True dat. I didn't when I was little...I'd avoid them out of fear of retaliation. Now that I'm an adult, I can make my own decisions so I wondered why I was wasting so much of my time and said, "Screw 'em!"

[Dwigie]

"You know you're an INFJ when..."

...someone violates your trust, sense of moral compass, or a dearly held principle and you write them off the face of the earth and never look back.

Word. We're so effin gangster that way.

:yes:, I did that a few times. They were all a bit fanatical I noticed and had issues with sexuality.:shock:

[felt up]

"You know you're an INFJ when..."

...someone violates your trust, sense of moral compass, or a dearly held principle and you write them off the face of the earth and never look back.

Word. We're so effin gangster that way.


+1

[GinKuusouka]

Wow. I just read through all of that (haha Really makes the INFP version of this thread look skimpy.) My best friend is an INFJ and I had to giggle because so much of this sounds like her. She's just so awesome and I love her to death. :)

[Lotr246]

Do you agree with these?

Common social roles
The poet who becomes enamored of expressing his idiosyncratic vision of life, taking no interest in the quotidian affairs of man.

The survivor who, by maintaining good relations with all factions simultaneously, always survives political or corporate upheavals.

The good-natured tag-along who likes to be attached to groups and provides constant comic relief.

The gambler who takes your money but leaves walking away with a smile because of his good natured banter.

This is from a socionics website describing the INFp, which has the same functions as a MBTI INFJ: Intuitive ethical introvert - Wikisocion (http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=IEI)

[gloomy-optimist]

^^ I relate a bit to a few of them, but it's not a deep-rooted agreement. Socially, that could describe me. Emotionally, spiritually, and in depth, not especially.
I do agree with the tag-along and the survivor, a bit with the poet, I suppose. But that's very much a "surface" thing.

Although, I have to say, I was really kind of taken aback when I read the Wikisocion article. I've been trying to come to terms with why I get so easily stressed and how to kind of change that, and it really hit the nail on the head.
I like reading about our strengths, but reading about weaknesses really helps clarify myself on a much wider basis.
So thanks for the link! :D

[Lotr246]

Did you look at the INFj too, which is the MBTI INFP. Do you find any agreement with those descriptions of social roles and functions? Also, if you read the subtypes on the EII profile, the Intuitive subtype sounds like an INFJ? Something doesn't seem to fit. Any thoughts on this?

Ethical intuitive introvert - Wikisocion (http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII)

[gloomy-optimist]

I think I associate more with the INFp on a deeper level. A few things ring true, but not as much as the blocks of the INFp...
I guess it might just be the social roles; the more I think about it, the more they seem to fit, though. Maybe I just don't think of my "social role" very often; who knows?

[Kyrielle]

I think I associate more with the INFp on a deeper level. A few things ring true, but not as much as the blocks of the INFp...
I guess it might just be the social roles; the more I think about it, the more they seem to fit, though. Maybe I just don't think of my "social role" very often; who knows?

It might be because they (social roles thing) just sound retarded the way they're written, but the general point of what its saying is pretty accurate.

I found more things seeming accurate, for me anyway, in the INFp article than the INFj one. I especially liked...how my irritation with the idea of business management and all the other annoying logistical parts of life was explained and why I always feel muzzy-headed when trying to deal with it (though I still need to find out how to solve that problem).

I didn't like the whole "mystical and dreamy" description for Ni. And contrarily, I can be very practical. Perhaps it's just that I don't show that part to other people. I think that INFJ or INFP? website explained it somewhere. Where when I think of an idea, Ni, Se kicks in and tries to make it real, which is where I become a practical person. I guess, aside from that, "dreamy" could be accurate though it leaves me with a foul taste in my mouth--I keep imagining some 70s highschool girl going "He's sooo dreamy!!!" and then I want to vomit.

Edit: Oh yeah and what's with all the goofy arse pages linked to the article. Like the one for subtypes is okay. But the Male/Female one is horribly translated ("Face in it is childlishly tender, and it is worthwhile for it to be flooded by lung and ringing as bell by laughter, it becomes touching- merry" I LOL'd at that though) and the Domain page, while silly and funny, seems like it shouldn't even belong there.

[gloomy-optimist]

^^ Exactly. Although I don't like some of the ways it describes things, it does seem to be fairly accurate.

[Lotr246]

You have a pretty good memory, except you can't remember the details of events probably because your mind wasn't all there at that moment.

[gloomy-optimist]

And you have problems remembering numerical facts and things like that because you can't associate them with anything; if you can remember something because it ties in with something else, then it will stick. If it's just a random, free-floating number, then it will not.

[Lotr246]

After everyone is done considering a topic, you seem to take it one step further.

[LindseyLadybug]

Alright, here goes nothing.

You turn on the classical radio station in the community bathroom so you can have the bathroom all to yourself while you shower...?

You go over a conversation you had with a group of people after the fact and while "watching the video" in your head, you remember seeing/hearing something you hadn't noticed before (like someone's body language or voice inflection or comment) so you have to go back and add that into your analysis of the conversation...?

[Travo7]

Alright, here goes nothing.

You turn on the classical radio station in the community bathroom so you can have the bathroom all to yourself while you shower...?

You go over a conversation you had with a group of people after the fact and while "watching the video" in your head, you remember seeing/hearing something you hadn't noticed before (like someone's body language or voice inflection or comment) so you have to go back and add that into your analysis of the conversation...?


I'm curious. Do you like classical? Whether you do, or not, kind of changes the question, for me at least.

[gloomy-optimist]

Alright, here goes nothing.

You turn on the classical radio station in the community bathroom so you can have the bathroom all to yourself while you shower...?

You go over a conversation you had with a group of people after the fact and while "watching the video" in your head, you remember seeing/hearing something you hadn't noticed before (like someone's body language or voice inflection or comment) so you have to go back and add that into your analysis of the conversation...?

To add a step, you come up with the ultimate argument....after you're done with it. The video always plays out so much better in your head.

[lane777]

To add a step, you come up with the ultimate argument....after you're done with it. The video always plays out so much better in your head.

Better? :huh: But then I'm tormented with what I should have said. Worst feeling EVER

[Lotr246]

What others might see as play, you see as work

[ByMySword]

You're able to see the good qualities in people you hate.

OR another way to say it is

you can dislike someone that you admittedly know is a "good person" or a "nice guy".

[gloomy-optimist]

I don't really have that issue. I find it difficult to really dislike anyone, actually, because I see that good in people >.>

[ByMySword]

I don't really have that issue. I find it difficult to really dislike anyone, actually, because I see that good in people >.>

People don't ever annoy you? :huh:

Wish I had your tolerance. :doh:

Edit: Also thats strange, too. INFJs are usually so skeptical of everyone. It would seem like a natural inclination for us to not like people in general. Even if we can see the good in them. lol

[gloomy-optimist]

People annoy me at times, sure. But I don't dislike them. I'm generally pretty tolerant :D
I just don't really get close to people. I tolerate them, and that's about it, unless they attempt to get to know me more. Then we become friends...but we're still not that close.

[Silent Stars]

I don't really have that issue. I find it difficult to really dislike anyone, actually, because I see that good in people >.>
Same here. The only person who's ever annoyed me is my little brother when he was younger.

[Dwigie]

You're able to see the good qualities in people you hate.

OR another way to say it is

you can dislike someone that you admittedly know is a "good person" or a "nice guy".

:coffee: same here, and I also see the bad in the people I love.
I do tend to think people are out to get me (enneagram 6w4 if that existed so ya know:tongue:)

[Lotr246]

You can do a lot with a small amount of information, finding the meaning no one else can see. You see the world in a grain of sand.

[gloomy-optimist]

Ha, yeah. The worst part is half the time you don't even know that you're doing it :B

[StoryOfMyLife]

You think of several 'you know you're an INFJ if...' points to post while at work, and by the time you've come home...this is the only thing you can think of.

[ByMySword]

You think of several "You know you're an INFJ when....." points at school, work, or out with friends and by the time you get home you've forgotten them all!!!! :doh:

[Evi]

People don't ever annoy you? :huh:

Wish I had your tolerance. :doh:

Edit: Also thats strange, too. INFJs are usually so skeptical of everyone. It would seem like a natural inclination for us to not like people in general. Even if we can see the good in them. lol

People annoy me at times, sure. But I don't dislike them. I'm generally pretty tolerant :D
I just don't really get close to people. I tolerate them, and that's about it, unless they attempt to get to know me more. Then we become friends...but we're still not that close.

Well, people annoy me... a lot sometimes, I do dislike them and avoid them if I can. I have a bit of a problem with people that are "too happy" Sounds horrible, but I perceive it as being utterly and completely fake, it's irritating when you're in my face with your rainbows and unicorns. (Shudder).

Although I do see the good in people (even the irritating ones) leading to questions from my family about certain friendships.

I don't get close to people either...

[StoryOfMyLife]

You think of several "You know you're an INFJ when....." points at school, work, or out with friends and by the time you get home you've forgotten them all!!!! :doh:

:blush: Ha ha someone else to empathize with, I see!

[gloomy-optimist]

You get read a thread titled "You know you're an INFJ if..." and then you actually really think about it at home, work, school....

[toonia]

I don't really have that issue. I find it difficult to really dislike anyone, actually, because I see that good in people >.>

People annoy me at times, sure. But I don't dislike them. I'm generally pretty tolerant :D
I just don't really get close to people. I tolerate them, and that's about it, unless they attempt to get to know me more. Then we become friends...but we're still not that close.

I wonder if these two statements are related. I think they are for me. People whom I see annoying pretty much everyone else, don't bother me at all. I don't know that it is a virtue, but it has to do with the vantage point from which I view people. When someone annoys others or are in conflict in some way, they become interesting to me. I want to understand why they are at odds with other people. There is always cause and effect and we cannot typically "hate what we understand". Letting go of personal assumptions is often the first step towards empathy and understanding. I start to examine the person from their vantage point best I can and continue to build a hypothesis. I feel a continual lack of resolution because I also acknowledge that it is not possible to ever fully understand another person. It is a continual process of analysis and shared experience, even if only through imagination. In one way I join myself to others intimately, but at the same time I am observing them from a safe distance from which it is almost impossible to affect me. These polar opposites of empathy and observation form a core aspect of both my understanding and way of experiencing life. It produces my extremes of joy and pain as well.

[LindseyLadybug]

I'm curious. Do you like classical? Whether you do, or not, kind of changes the question, for me at least.

Yes, I enjoy it. It's something I listen to if I need to relax or if I'm driving my cat to the vet. ;) Now, it's not my favorite genre of music but I appreciate it and it's probably my top 3 pick. I think the fact that my floormates despise it so much makes me love it even more. :wubbie: Odd, I know.

[Peguy]

You turn on the classical radio station in the community bathroom so you can have the bathroom all to yourself while you shower...?


Does the radio at work count? I can't think of anything better than that - having to work on something by yourself while listening to Classical music.

I can't concentrate or work fully with the standard shit they usually have on. Although shipping often has Classic rock on, which I enjoy, but I hardly deal with them during my shift.

You think of several 'you know you're an INFJ if...' points to post while at work, and by the time you've come home...this is the only thing you can think of.

Please don't remind me. :cry:

[Travo7]

Yes, I enjoy it. It's something I listen to if I need to relax or if I'm driving my cat to the vet. ;) Now, it's not my favorite genre of music but I appreciate it and it's probably my top 3 pick. I think the fact that my floormates despise it so much makes me love it even more. :wubbie: Odd, I know.

OK, I can relate to that. Especially the part about being odd :D

[Peguy]

Well, people annoy me... a lot sometimes, I do dislike them and avoid them if I can. I have a bit of a problem with people that are "too happy" Sounds horrible, but I perceive it as being utterly and completely fake, it's irritating when you're in my face with your rainbows and unicorns. (Shudder).

Yeah you often have to resist the urge to punch those people in the face.

Concerning people in general, I guess my attitude is similar to that of the famous INFJ Fyodr Dostoevsky: I love humanity but hate individuals. And by contrast, I can also hate a particular group but still love a particular individual from that group. Ahhh paradoxes! :D

[StoryOfMyLife]

Please don't remind me. :cry:

^^;; I'm sorry...don't cry *pat-pats* It'll be alright...

In relation to that post I made...does anyone have the problem of thinking of something...forgetting it...and then remembering it at the most...obscure time? Like right before you're going to bed, or in the middle of a conversation that has nothing to do with what you had forgotten? :shock:

[Dwigie]

^^;; I'm sorry...don't cry *pat-pats* It'll be alright...

In relation to that post I made...does anyone have the problem of thinking of something...forgetting it...and then remembering it at the most...obscure time? Like right before you're going to bed, or in the middle of a conversation that has nothing to do with what you had forgotten? :shock:

Yes but I think that happens to everyone no? :thinking:

[karenk]

Yes but I think that happens to everyone no? :thinking:

You know you're INFJ when you think things only happen to you (which happens to everyone). Therefore, everyone is INFJ.

[Travo7]

You JUST KNOW you're an INFJ.:D

:newwink:

[karenk]

You delete your post because you think nobody will see your intended context and it will be misinterpreted.

[Peguy]

You delete your post because you think nobody will see your intended context and it will be misinterpreted.

Oh yes!

[StoryOfMyLife]

You know you're INFJ when you think things only happen to you (which happens to everyone). Therefore, everyone is INFJ.

:blush: Fair enough... lol

[Lotr246]

You transform yourself to be like your role-models

You draw inspiration from the people and the environment around you

[gloomy-optimist]

Or you wish you could sometimes...

[hideki]

you spend time researching personality codes for long periods of time on the computer. feeling that you're this special person in the world. when in reality, you're just a sheltered mishap.

[Dwigie]

You transform yourself to be like your role-models

You draw inspiration from the people and the environment around you

:laugh:
Yep, I'm pretty much a wannabe.
To hideki: Nah, not for me. I got into it because of typical teenage "nebulous sense of self"...I was extremely skeptical about the fluffy things nevertheless. (didn't spent time researching codes, codes bore me)

[toonia]

You internalize criticisms because you are driven to view yourself from whatever vantage point produced the criticism. Then you start questioning whether your own vantage point or the other person's is more valid, or if they are in fact equal. Next you start philosophizing about what the self is and what boundaries do and do not exist between people which leaves you feeling ironically isolated for connecting to everything including the negativity. :huh:

[Dwigie]

You internalize criticisms because you are driven to view yourself from whatever vantage point produced the criticism. Then you start questioning whether your own vantage point or the other person's is more valid, or if they are in fact equal. Next you start philosophizing about what the self is and what boundaries do and do not exist between people which leaves you feeling ironically isolated for connecting to everything including the negativity. :huh:

:rofl1:right on target.

[hideki]

you just sit back alone in your room for several hours. and for 1 second it happens, you experience this 'bliss'. you're like A HA! and suddenly everything makes sense. that's what just happened to me. i feel great...

[Kyrielle]

you just sit back alone in your room for several hours. and for 1 second it happens, you experience this 'bliss'. you're like A HA! and suddenly everything makes sense. that's what just happened to me. i feel great...

Hmm, what you mean like some ultimate "connectedness" everything? Yeah, I've experienced that. Mostly when I'm outside, minding my own business, it'll sneak up on me and attack me while I'm looking at the light playing on a building or some such thing. So rude. It never even says goodbye when it's gone. It just leaves. :steam:

[Lotr246]

Hmm, what you mean like some ultimate "connectedness" everything? Yeah, I've experienced that. Mostly when I'm outside, minding my own business, it'll sneak up on me and attack me while I'm looking at the light playing on a building or some such thing. So rude. It never even says goodbye when it's gone. It just leaves. :steam:

Exactly. And usually, you can't explain this experience to others. I remember one where I suddenly knew what the world was like without humans. I couldn't explain this world to you, I just saw it for a second one morning. And yes, it leaves you, and you probably will never experience that same vision again.

[Travo7]

You delete your post because you think nobody will see your intended context and it will be misinterpreted.

YES.:nice:



People misunderstand you, but think they haven't and reply with something that insults your intelligence.

[gloomy-optimist]

At times, you suddenly notice things. It's almost as if you were in your own little world, and you didn't really notice the world around, but then for a minute or two your suddenly brought back down to Earth, and you realize where you are and who you are and where your life is at...
And then it passes and your back on your little cloud.

And then, other times, you think of what the world might be like from others' eyes; you wonder about the phenomenon of time; you question how big the universe really is....
So you forget that you have to do laundry.

[Kyrielle]

At times, you suddenly notice things. It's almost as if you were in your own little world, and you didn't really notice the world around, but then for a minute or two your suddenly brought back down to Earth, and you realize where you are and who you are and where your life is at...
And then it passes and your back on your little cloud.

And then, other times, you think of what the world might be like from others' eyes; you wonder about the phenomenon of time; you question how big the universe really is....
So you forget that you have to do laundry.

Or remember to do laundry but only at one in the morning and you have to get up early the next day, but you've forgotten to do it so many times that if you don't do it, you will have to go commando and that's just not kosher.

But yes, I've had that happen. Don't think the instance is necessarily an INFJ thing. Probably an "easily distracted person" thing...which is what most of us on the forum are in some way or another. Though it's likely that Ni doms are more likely to get distracted in the way you've described, specifically. (Like Usehername's thread.)

[Numbers]

Wow, I relate to so much in this thread.

When you're alone you're constantly generating intutive insights and understanding on whatever you are thinking about and people wonder why you like to be alone so much, because you are normally a pretty pleasant person to be around.

It just so happens you like to figure things out. :P

[Peguy]

You transform yourself to be like your role-models

You draw inspiration from the people and the environment around you

LOL! yes that's true.

You internalize criticisms because you are driven to view yourself from whatever vantage point produced the criticism. Then you start questioning whether your own vantage point or the other person's is more valid, or if they are in fact equal. Next you start philosophizing about what the self is and what boundaries do and do not exist between people which leaves you feeling ironically isolated for connecting to everything including the negativity. :huh:

:( Too true.

[wedekit]

You can't deny the feeling you have inside that there is meaning behind all parts of everyday life. The past isn't a dull and dark abyss, but a lighthouse that shines light on the future.

[Dwigie]

Yes!Yes!100% with wedekit.

[IDK123]

You have to research everything to make up your mind about something but once it's made up... watch out... someone must have a darn good logical explanation to change your mind.

[gloomy-optimist]

^^ Ha, yeah. I don't like not knowing what I'm talking about; if I get feelings about something, I'll research it, so I can really back up my side and become an unstoppable force of wisdom and insight!
Or, that's the theory, anyways :B

[IDK123]

^^ Ha, yeah. I don't like not knowing what I'm talking about; if I get feelings about something, I'll research it, so I can really back up my side and become an unstoppable force of wisdom and insight!
Or, that's the theory, anyways :B

Most definitely. Btw, kudos on you for sticking to your argument on the flip flopping types thread for so long. ;)

[wedekit]

I agree with the above posts. I'm not afraid to say "I don't have an informed opinion at this point in time".

[ByMySword]

So Meta and I were having a conversation today about INFJs and we came to the conclusion that an INFJ was a combination of an ENFP and an INTJ.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Thunderlight]

^haha yes that sounds about right. My roomate is an ENFJ and its really cool to see the similarities/ differences. just the other day i was thinking about rearranging the room, and today he asked me if we could :hug: (off topic haha)


You internalize criticisms because you are driven to view yourself from whatever vantage point produced the criticism. Then you start questioning whether your own vantage point or the other person's is more valid, or if they are in fact equal. Next you start philosophizing about what the self is and what boundaries do and do not exist between people which leaves you feeling ironically isolated for connecting to everything including the negativity. :huh:

yes yes so true. Or you are thinking about something 100% random like spaghetti sauce, and somehow your internal dialogue travels to something like the self or the meaning of existance. sigh. and its lovely trying to explain this to someone.



you know you're an INFJ when someone asks you what your thinking and you tell them nothing because you know they can't handle it :cool:

[wedekit]

you know you're an INFJ when someone asks you what your thinking and you tell them nothing because you know they can't handle it :cool:

The story of my life!

Well, it's either they can't handle it, or it takes too much background information to help the arrive to a point where they would understand.

[Kyrielle]

you know you're an INFJ when someone asks you what your thinking and you tell them nothing because you know they can't handle it :cool:

More like...I say nothing because I don't even know what it was I was thinking about. I mean, I did know...1 nanosecond before the question was asked, but now that I'm focused, I don't recall what it was even about. If I do remember, I happily tell person asking, because I'm so glad I didn't forget!

[StoryOfMyLife]

More like...I say nothing because I don't even know what it was I was thinking about. I mean, I did know...1 nanosecond before the question was asked, but now that I'm focused, I don't recall what it was even about. If I do remember, I happily tell person asking, because I'm so glad I didn't forget!

:huh: Spot on...I don't know how many times I've replied with 'nothing' only because I've just been interrupted...and what I had been thinking about so deeply flew the coop like a baby bird..it was there..honestly...I just can't remember what 'it' had been. :blush:

[gloomy-optimist]

Okay, so I was sitting in bed last night, and I was thinking, and I came up with this metaphoric scenario:

INFJs are like rearranged rubik's cubes. In regards with our relationships with people, everyone is likely to fall one of three categories:

The 1st type is really bad at trying to figure it out. They work at it for a while, trying to solve the puzzle and make it clear, but after a while they give up or just leave it as is. Occasionally, they may go back and try again, but they never really get it without instructions (and sometimes not even then).
The 2nd type is excellent. They can figure it out very easily, and can see right through us quickly, or at least quicker than most. However, there are very few people that fall in this category, and they might have a tendency to take their ability for granted or move on quickly.
The 3rd type of people aren't as naturally inclined as the 2nd, but they take a genuine interest in figuring it out. They work on it, sometimes for a long time, until they figure it out, and they actually enjoy the challenge. Even when they figured it out, it's likely they will still keep warm feelings about the game; they keep it around and are always up for any challenge it throws at them. Eventually, they get better and better, but they always keep the game at heart, at least a little bit.


As a rubik's cube, I associate best with type 3.
</random whimsical analogy>

[IDK123]

Okay, so I was sitting in bed last night, and I was thinking, and I came up with this metaphoric scenario:

INFJs are like rearranged rubik's cubes. In regards with our relationships with people, everyone is likely to fall one of three categories:

The 1st type is really bad at trying to figure it out. They work at it for a while, trying to solve the puzzle and make it clear, but after a while they give up or just leave it as is. Occasionally, they may go back and try again, but they never really get it without instructions (and sometimes not even then).
The 2nd type is excellent. They can figure it out very easily, and can see right through us quickly, or at least quicker than most. However, there are very few people that fall in this category, and they might have a tendency to take their ability for granted or move on quickly.
The 3rd type of people aren't as naturally inclined as the 2nd, but they take a genuine interest in figuring it out. They work on it, sometimes for a long time, until they figure it out, and they actually enjoy the challenge. Even when they figured it out, it's likely they will still keep warm feelings about the game; they keep it around and are always up for any challenge it throws at them. Eventually, they get better and better, but they always keep the game at heart, at least a little bit.


As a rubik's cube, I associate best with type 3.
</random whimsical analogy>

What an interesting way to look at things. I've never thought about that. It would facinating to do a little survey of the people we know.

On a different note, you are an INFJ when you get energy from being a room full of people but then you crash and burn afterwards.

[IDK123]

So Meta and I were having a conversation today about INFJs and we came to the conclusion that an INFJ was a combination of an ENFP and an INTJ.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Yes, that definitely makes sense.

[StoryOfMyLife]

On a different note, you are an INFJ when you get energy from being a room full of people but then you crash and burn afterwards.

This is why I avoid parties unless it's a family gathering... :blush: But get togethers from time to time are so much fun...

You know you're an INFJ when you sit in your room making metaphorical connections using Rubik's Cube type associations... :yes: [*lol* I :wub: you, gloomy, honestly-- I rather liked that metaphor...I'm trying to determine which type I associate with...if I made a guess, I'd say most commonly type 3, on occasion, type 2.]

[Lotr246]

Yes, that definitely makes sense.

In what way?

[IDK123]

In what way?

well from the cognitive function pov, it makes no sense. However, INFJs sometimes can come off very extraverted and I've read that INFJs seem to be one of the least judging out of the J's and sometimes come off NTish (analytical) when trying to approach a problem. This is what I have gathered from this forum and other sites but it would take me awhile to find it. Please don't take what I'm saying on this too seriously. It seems flawed in logic so I'm not quite sure anymore :) I need to re-think it.

[Lotr246]

You think existentially...or is that all NFs?

[Thunderlight]

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