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[Jack Flak]

Flak : ENTP
You say that now, but if you and I were in a group IRL, in some kind of discussion, you'd be interjecting about twenty times more than I would be. Unless I was drunk.

[white]

Flak : ENTP

A tempting diagnosis, one I find myself toying with.

It's been awhile nocap. Still rousing the devils?

[FDG]

Jack Flak (to add fire to the discussion) seems to be a typical INTp-Te on the border with ISTp-Te

[Jack Flak]

Jack Flak (to add fire to the discussion) seems to be a typical INTp-Te on the border with ISTp-Te
It's a result of adaptation, any apparent Sensing quality. I been around. Favoring the N lately though, enough to where physical reality is becoming an odd bedfellow.

[Bella]

You say that now, but if you and I were in a group IRL, in some kind of discussion, you'd be interjecting about twenty times more than I would be. Unless I was drunk.

You did sing on teh interwebs you know...what kind of an Introvert are you.

;)

[Jack Flak]

You did sing on teh interwebs you know...what kind of an Introvert are you.

;)
The internet is my playground, as you should well be aware by now, Bella. :jew:

[Magic Poriferan]

I'm substantially different on the internet from the way I am in personal interaction. It's another one of those things that raises questions for me about the applicability of typology. People appear awfully different in different contexts, and I wonder how any system can truly get to the bottom of that.

[Bella]

.....Barry Manilow of teh internet. :coffee:

[Rajah]

Rajah: Unknown, likely NT (Too unfamiliar atm)XNTP just about sums it up. P is my strongest suit. Doesn't always come across online, but if/when you get to know me better, you'll see it.

[Eric B]

Let me paraphrase what you stated.

BlueWing describes the Introverted Feeling of the INTP as a synthesis of Introverted Thinking and Feeling.

That is incorrect.

What I said was the following, when an INTP feels, his Feelings are often directed at his inner life. For example, the INTP may find beauty in a mathematical equation, or some abstract idea. This is very similar to Fi, as for example we notice NFPs display an intense emotional reaction to an abstract idea. We find many examples for this phenomenon in the writings of Kierkegaard and Augustine.

But what actually happens is the Extroverted Feeling is directed towards the inner life and not the Introverted Feeling itself.

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Let me clarify further;

Introverted function: Interposes an internal subjective mindset between the experience and itself.

Extroverted function: Interacts directly with the external world.

Introverted Feeling: Imposes a subtle unconscious agenda of valuation between the object and the psyche itself.

Extroverted Feeling: Emotes directly in relation to the object.

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As I have explained in my ENFJ profile, the Extroverted Feeler often collects the emotion expressed by others, as Jung says, an Extroverted Feeler may call a painting good or beautiful not because it directly pleases his or her aesthetical judgment, but because the present company feels the painting was good or beautiful.

In the case of the INTP, the emotive judgment interacts directly with the object, in my example it is the mathematical equation. If the INTP thinks that the equation is beautiful, the emotional reaction will follow. In the case of an Fi type, Feeling has a mind of its own. The emotive agenda is not directly prescribed by an agent foreign to feeling, it operates by virtue of the aforementioned mystical agenda of unconscious emotive valuation of its own.

Because the INTP does not employ such an agenda, this type is not an Introverted Feeling type.

You stated that I was describing the Introverted Feeling of the INTP, this was not so. I was describing how the faculties of cognition of the INTP resemble Introverted Feeling, but they are not of Introverted Feeling.

This is quite interesting. But I'm still not quite getting what the "emotive valuation agenda having a mind of its own" of Fi is, and how it would differ from an extraverted judgment "directed toward the inner life" (which sounds like the definition of introversion).

["?"]

You could very well be an ISTP. They are Chart-the-Course too (as is ISTJ) and actually are more systematic than many realize.

Generally speaking I think many people on this forum as S, only a few are really abstract and truly intuitive - at least that's how they come across on this forum. But then there's that bias that N is related to intelligence and being 'different' that many buy into.I agree except to expound that Ni is the only function that correlates with intuition as we commonly understand it. Ne is action oriented and comes close to resembling Se.

[Jack Flak]

I agree except to expound that Ni is the only function that correlates with intuition as we commonly understand it. Ne is action oriented and comes close to resembling Se.
Anything goes! (See sig)

[Uberfuhrer]

I agree except to expound that Ni is the only function that correlates with intuition as we commonly understand it. Ne is action oriented and comes close to resembling Se.

Just as Ni could also resemble Si. Although, they are directed inward, and thus unobservable. So I guess with Te or Fe, IxTJs could seem similar and IxFJs could seem similar.

People also commonly associate Ti with being an Intuitive preference.

I took the new cognitive processes test (http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com/assessment/develop_old.html), and the results seem to be more clear cut than the other one.

EDIT: Why aren't the quoting and URL tags working?

[Nocap]

You say that now, but if you and I were in a group IRL, in some kind of discussion, you'd be interjecting about twenty times more than I would be. Unless I was drunk.

That's not what Introversion and Extraversion is all about.

[Nocap]

Just as Ni could also resemble Si. Although, they are directed inward, and thus unobservable. Introverted functions are observable. They're just manifest the way the individual feels they ought to be, rather than what is derived from the external situation.
It means they're very likely difficult to notice, because they're done in an unusual way -- we don't know how to look for it.
This is why intimacy is correlated with introversion. Someone has to really know the individual to comprehend or even recognize their introverted function.

(Of course it's not referenced as this in common life, but it does happen)

["?"]

Anything goes! (See sig)Ummm.... I agree with Colors that you merely pointed out Socionics..... I see your theory and raise you my proposal (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/mbti-enneagram-other-personality-matrices/7006-proposed-changes-codes-preclude-j-p-confusion.html) based on what Jung may have declared since his focus was on the dominant function and gave less credence to the auxiliary. Even Myers-Briggs notes that the auxiliary is something that we should focus to develop, but admits that it's not always realistic since the dominant function is far more superior to the auxiliary.

[Jack Flak]

Ummm.... I agree with Colors that you merely pointed out Socionics..... I see your theory and raise you my proposal (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/mbti-enneagram-other-personality-matrices/7006-proposed-changes-codes-preclude-j-p-confusion.html) based on what Jung may have declared since his focus was on the dominant function and gave less credence to the auxiliary. Even Myers-Briggs notes that the auxiliary is something that we should focus to develop, but admits that it's not always realistic since the dominant function is far more superior to the auxiliary.

Ehh, I don't think you got me. And we totally disagree about everything, so don't worry about it.

[Jennifer]

This is quite interesting. But I'm still not quite getting what the "emotive valuation agenda having a mind of its own" of Fi is, and how it would differ from an extraverted judgment "directed toward the inner life" (which sounds like the definition of introversion).

I'm a little hazy too on the specifics, although the idea is intriguing and something I plan to think more about.

Definitely we have to address the typically expressed INTP inclination towards merging "perfection in truth" and "beauty."

Seeing a perfectly balanced, perfectly working system, where all the parts are efficient and are fulfilling their purpose as per inherent definition creates a sense of strong awe and beauty in me. It can be someone's personality, it can be a theory, it can be a book or movie or work of music; but that sense of "wow!" and deep-seated beauty is based on the perfection of the idea/concept/system.

[Eric B]

I realize that my perception of beauty is largely connected with technicalities (including stuff like symmetries, or comparitive frameworks, etc) and the negative emotional reactions to violations of these is what made it hard to sort out Ti vs the Fi some were suggesting. So that's why I'm just making sure to clarify what this Fi "agenda" everything is "filtered" through really is.

[Jack Flak]

CaptainChick might be ENFJ. There is a seeming preference for Feeling over Intuition.

[CaptainChick]

LOL!!!!!!

[Jack Flak]

LOL!!!!!!
Bullshit, you didn't convince me. Lemme see your REAL war face.

Which one's more accurate?

Ethical intuitive extrovert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EIE)

Intuitive ethical extrovert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Intuitive_ethical_extrovert)

[Magic Poriferan]

Bullshit, you didn't convince me. Lemme see your REAL war face.

Which one's more accurate?

Ethical intuitive extrovert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EIE)

Intuitive ethical extrovert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Intuitive_ethical_extrovert)

Huh. I never knew somebody elso took to calling them ethic and logic. Shucks, I had thought of that on my own. :unsure:

[Jack Flak]

Huh. I never knew somebody elso took to calling them ethic and logic. Shucks, I had thought of that on my own. :unsure:
Try this one on for size:

Intuitive ethical introvert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=IEI)

[Magic Poriferan]

[edit] 1. Introverted intuition
IEIs perceive, process, and produce information concerning trends and patterns over time most intensively. They constantly and inadvertently make judgments, assessments, and assumptions about relationships based on what they see as recurring trends from past behavior. They tend to understand the underlying dynamics of situations, people, etc., but may not be able to readily verbalize these insights since they are so internal and conceptual.

Ehhhh... I'd say this is true enough.


The temporal world of the IEI is vivid and complex. IEI's are very imaginative people who tend to be more mystical and dreamy, thus possibly annoying more practical or "grounded" types. Their gentle demeanor does not cast them as particularly rebellious, but their obscure desires often are a far cry from those of the typical person.

I am not interested in anything "mystical" in any serious sense. Other than that, this paragraph is very accurate. I often feel like I'm living in a dream or simply watching a film. Very disconnected from the sensoral world. And I do seem to be very imaginative. Also true that I have strange tastes but am not rebellious.

Now, it's around this time that the description swerves way off course.


[edit] 2. Extroverted ethics
IEIs apply their understanding of trends of behavior over time to observing, analyzing, and influencing people's moods. They make contact with other people by attempting to influence their emotions positively, which is their way of creating something in themself worthy of being included in interaction.


I'm terrible at influencing peoples' moods the way I want to, and I'm not interested in doing so at least half as often as I am. It is true that I want to give people a positive reaction, but don't we all to some extent? I have higher priorities though, that will motivate me to illicit negative responses from people.


IEIs are comfortable discussing feelings that arise from interaction between people. They are naturals at guessing who has been offended and approaching the person and helping them to let off steam and make amends with the offender. IEIs are typically quick to take the blame for offenses upon themselves in order to show their acceptance and good will towards the other person, and create good attitudes.

I'm not usually comfortable discussing those feelings. This forum is a very different environment and I do not interact here as I would with most people.

I am very bad at guessing peoples' feelings or knowing what to do with someone in a bad mood. That might be the most inaccurate line of the profile. Am I quick to take blame? Sure, if I've done something wrong. But I am very pre-occupied with truth and accountability, so if I don't think I've done something wrong, I am stubborn and often unaplogetic in defending myself. Also, if I think myself and someone else have done something wrong, but they've done something worse, you can bet I'm going to account for that.


IEIs' speech and voice usually have a certain dramatic affect and depth of feeling, which influence the emotions in the atmosphere; these feelings can be used to generate elation and boisterous laughter. If IEIs prefer, they can also generate and communicate their feelings of sadness and loss. They are adept at communicating depth of feeling. If things seem too quiet and low-key, they may even generate controversy or conflict to liven things up and get people involved once again in a high-spirited atmosphere.

Listen to me on ventrillo. The answer is no.

Also, I really prefer quiet and low-key, would not generate controversy for the hell of it, and am really annoyed by other peoples' tendencies to do that.


The IEI will often say something that sounds very deep and heartfelt, only to immediately realize the ridiculousness of what they are saying, and then make light of it. The IEI does not induce a formal separation between being joking and being serious (like their mirror, the EIE), being less premeditated in expression in their natural state.

I do say things that seem serious and then make light of them. I do often pre-meditate my jokes, however, even if part of the human involves me not letting anyone else formally know that I'm joking. :D

Overall, I find the description unsatisfactory. When a profile is less convincing than something that relies entirely on the forer effect, something is wrong.

[Jack Flak]

I believe you...But I'll be damned if you don't still sound INFP to me. What I know INFP is, based on people I've known very well, in life and on the net. Perhaps someday I'll write a description which doesn't suck.

[Magic Poriferan]

I'm either ILI or LII. However, there is a vagueness and generality to these descriptions that makes me wonder about their value. What I always dislike is when profiles do not pass the "as oppose to" test. That is, every profile describes a peron in a a way that barely or does not at all conflict with several other descriptions. A person shouldn't find it perfectly feasible to be three different profiles.

[Jack Flak]

I'm either ILI or LII. However, there is a vagueness and generality to these descriptions that makes me wonder about their value. What I always dislike is when profiles do not pass the "as oppose to" test. That is, every profile describes a peron in a a way that barely or does not at all conflict with several other descriptions. A person shouldn't find it perfectly feasible to be three different profiles.
Oh, I know. I said they were vague a couple hours ago, even. They're almost useless for determining your type, but they can provide a little insight once you know it.

The best way to determine type in socionics, imo, is using the intertype relations descriptions. Try hard not to read anything into them though and bias yourself.

[Orangey]

I'm either ILI or LII. However, there is a vagueness and generality to these descriptions that makes me wonder about their value. What I always dislike is when profiles do not pass the "as oppose to" test. That is, every profile describes a peron in a a way that barely or does not at all conflict with several other descriptions. A person shouldn't find it perfectly feasible to be three different profiles.

Yeah, but then you get profiles that implicitly suggest things like "feelers can't think logically, and thinkers can't feel." I prefer greater nuance and adaptability in the descriptions.

[Magic Poriferan]

Yeah, but then you get profiles that implicitly suggest things like "feelers can't think logically, and thinkers can't feel." I prefer greater nuance and adaptability in the descriptions.

Nuance does not necessitate a lack of contrastibility, and certainly not vagueness. However it does take someone with a lot of talent to write a truly good series of profiles in that regard.

[Jack Flak]

Yeah, but then you get profiles that implicitly suggest things like "feelers can't think logically, and thinkers can't feel." I prefer greater nuance and adaptability in the descriptions.

Nuance does not necessitate a lack of contrastibility, and certainly not vagueness. However it does take someone with a lot of talent to write a truly good series of profiles in that regard.
Many of the popular descriptions beget popular notions that aren't based on reality. Such as that Sensors can't contemplate anything, and Feelers can't use logic. Which itself results in people thinking they can't be the type they actually are. It's a problem.

[Magic Poriferan]

Many of the popular descriptions beget popular notions that aren't based on reality. Such as that Sensors can't contemplate anything, and Feelers can't use logic. Which itself results in people thinking they can't be the type they actually are. It's a problem.

Well there are too many absolutes there, for one thing. This comes back to one of my main, recurring points. It will be hard to make use of any of this until someone comes up with a clear and consisten means of quantification.

Can we measure use of Feeling? And how much Feeling does someone have to use compared to Thinking in order to be a Feeler?

[Orangey]

Nuance does not necessitate a lack of contrastibility, and certainly not vagueness. However it does take someone with a lot of talent to write a truly good series of profiles in that regard.

True, though I do think that profiles that focus on intertype differences, especially when it comes to differences along any of the dichotomies, tend to imply that the differences are more rigid than they actually are IRL.

[Jack Flak]

Well there are too many absolutes there, for one thing. This comes back to one of my main, recurring points. It will be hard to make use of any of this until someone comes up with a clear and consisten means of quantification.

Can we measure use of Feeling? And how much Feeling does someone have to use compared to Thinking in order to be a Feeler?
It can be observed...I can't describe it though. The way I like to think of the preferences is of overlapping timelines split into 2/3 and 1/3. So...for an INTP, say...

2/3 time is spent Perceiving (N/S), and 1/3 Judging (T/F)

2/3 of Perceiving time is N, 1/3 is S

2/3 of Judging time is T, 1/3 is F.

It works for me.

[Haphazard]

It don't work for me.

"You're a thinker? How the hell does that work?"

"I only use F when I'm at work, I'm T at home and sleeping. :D"

Yeah...no.

[Jennifer]

CaptainChick might be ENFJ. There is a seeming preference for Feeling over Intuition.

I don't know. She's extroverted, and I see feeling as an underlying motivation, not the one she's primarily working in.

Not like PinkP, or someone else similar, for example.

I'm fine with her running off an extroverted perceptive function.

[Falcarius]

GargoylesLegacy: INFJ

[Silently Honest]

^seconded.

[Uberfuhrer]

^ Thirded.

[YourLocalJesus]

^Fourthed.

[Jack Flak]

It don't work for me.

"You're a thinker? How the hell does that work?"

"I only use F when I'm at work, I'm T at home and sleeping. :D"

Yeah...no.
I'm starting to wonder if you're T at all, when you fail to realize that my diagram was an abstract representation.

[FDG]

I believe you...But I'll be damned if you don't still sound INFP to me. What I know INFP is, based on people I've known very well, in life and on the net. Perhaps someday I'll write a description which doesn't suck.

He sounds like a LII to me, to be honest. And yes, CaptainChick could easily be an EIE, the Beta Quadra atmosphere seems to be very fitting for her personality.

[Jack Flak]

He sounds like a LII to me, to be honest.
Could be.
And yes, CaptainChick could easily be an EIE, the Beta Quadra atmosphere seems to be very fitting for her personality.
I don't know enough about the quadrants. I should do research on that...Ah well, when I get around to it. :D

[Haphazard]

I'm starting to wonder if you're T at all, when you fail to realize that my diagram was an abstract representation.

Wouldn't that be N?

And I can't poke fun at what you say without you questioning my type?

I don't like the 'time' thing. What defines 'judging time' and 'perceiving time'? If we're actually talking real time, do we actually have to measure to figure out type? Like, get a stopwatch?

Or is it something different? How do the thirds come into play?

Or is it just some mystic quality that you call 'time' that only you can measure?

(I'm guessing it's the last.)

[Jack Flak]

Wouldn't that be N?

Or is it just some mystic quality that you call 'time' that only you can measure?

(I'm guessing it's the last.)
Yeah N too, but I didn't want to get too mean. :)

It's an abstract representation, meaning you fail if you take it literally. It's just a way to consider the concept, separate from reality.

[Haphazard]

Yeah N too, but I didn't want to get too mean. :)

It's an abstract representation, meaning you fail if you take it literally. It's just a way to consider the concept, separate from reality.

I'm an ISTP in your system. Most definitely.

Why is it so much worse to be an S than an F?

But it's an abstract representation of what? Explain to the braindead ISTP.

[Silently Honest]

http://www.sptimes.com/News/031400/photos/flo-dig.jpg

[Jack Flak]

I'm an ISTP in your system. Most definitely.

Why is it so much worse to be an S than an F?

But it's an abstract representation of what? Explain to the braindead ISTP.
You really are? I guess that would explain why I always disagree with you and ptgatsby equally.

Of function use.

[Haphazard]

You really are? I guess that would explain why I always disagree with you and ptgatsby equally.

Of function use.

So being a sensor means I'm not worth a response?

Oh, I get it now.

[Jack Flak]

So being a sensor means I'm not worth a response?

Oh, I get it now.
Did you type the first sentence before you finished reading my post?

[entropie]

So being a sensor means I'm not worth a response?

Oh, I get it now.

When it comes to my intuition about you, ISTP is definitly wrong.

Concerning your type there is only one letter that needs changing in my opinion. Change T for a F and you are a made woman :D

[Haphazard]

Did you type the first sentence before you finished reading my post?

I thought that was just some odd keyboard emission, because it made no sense in context.

[entropie]

You have that special knack for atmospheric anime, I only know from INFJ's. Other types do like anime too, but they dont value Toph from avatar for example, because they are not so concerned with her innerself and the possible meaning the presentation of Toph's personality in the show could imply.

I still remember your excerpt about, what types are more extroverted or more introverted in the world. That was the thing about "energy extroversion" and "society extroversion". In my opinion that was a brilliant piece of Ti-ness accompanied by an insightful and long concentration on a certain topic.

[Jack Flak]

I thought that was just some odd keyboard emission, because it made no sense in context.
What does make sense, completely, to you? Give me something to work with.

[Haphazard]

What does make sense, completely, to you? Give me something to work with.

If it's not time and a part of time, then why time and a numerical value? What exactly are you talking about?

See, I thought this was supposed to be better than MBTI, but you seem to be falling into the same traps as it. There's no measure. It's just as bad, you see. How can somebody even tell if they're using a function? Or is that just abstract and metaphoric, too?

[Silently Honest]

Baiting, that's nice.

[Jack Flak]

If it's not time and a part of time, then why time and a numerical value? What exactly are you talking about?

See, I thought this was supposed to be better than MBTI, but you seem to be falling into the same traps as it. There's no measure. It's just as bad, you see. How can somebody even tell if they're using a function? Or is that just abstract and metaphoric, too?
It should have been obvious that the time analogy was metaphorical, whereas I don't believe, nor does it seem, that MBTT function theory was intended to be.

[entropie]

There's no measure. It's just as bad, you see. How can somebody even tell if they're using a function? Or is that just abstract and metaphoric, too?

Measurement is applied by the inventor of the theory. But you are right, there is no measurement of personality. Valueable statement ;) :hug:

[Haphazard]

Assuming that you're correct about MBTT, then how do you type somebody at all? And how is it even a predictor of behavior, if time is only an analogy?

[entropie]

Assuming that you're correct about MBTT, then how do you type somebody at all? And how is it even a predictor of behavior, if time is only an analogy?

You do the same like every good physic student does. Try and Error, Try and Error, Try and Error, Try and Error...

[Uberfuhrer]

http://www.sptimes.com/News/031400/photos/flo-dig.jpg

I knew it!!!!

[Jack Flak]

Assuming that you're correct about MBTT, then how do you type somebody at all? And how is it even a predictor of behavior, if time is only an analogy?
Did you know that all space and time is contained in one point, and one instant? But that's beside the point, really.

The easiest ways for me to type people are by

a. Temperament analysis--That is, someone's like others of a type.
b. Preference analysis--That is, determine each preference separately by analyzing their behavior.
c. Functional analysis (with my system)--That is, determine primary and support functions by analyzing behavior.
d. A combination of the above. Which is what I do, most of the time.

[Haphazard]

You do the same like every good physic student does. Try and Error, Try and Error, Try and Error, Try and Error...

Failure only means you're getting somewhere.

Did you know that all space and time is contained in one point, and one instant? But that's beside the point, really.

The easiest ways for me to type people are by

a. Temperament analysis--That is, someone's like others of a type.
b. Preference analysis--That is, determine each preference separately by analyzing their behavior.
c. Functional analysis (with my system)--That is, determine primary and support functions by analyzing behavior.
d. A combination of the above. Which is what I do, most of the time.

This is besides the point. The point is criteria. You said 'time,' but then you took it back. If there's no objective criteria, then I can't see how this isn't just a castrated version of MBTT.

[Jack Flak]

Failure only means you're getting somewhere.
LOL, I must remember that one.

This is besides the point. The point is criteria. You said 'time,' but then you took it back. If there's no objective criteria, then I can't see how this isn't just a castrated version of MBTT.
What? I didn't take it back. I'll say it again. IT WAS ALWAYS AN ABSTRACT REPRESENTATION. Do you really, really think I somehow thought that it was a realistic interpretation?

This is why I don't like explaining shit to people, for Christ's sake.

[G-Virus]

Woah, I feel like I just stumbled onto the MBTIc secret lair. Bad ass.

[Haphazard]

What? I didn't take it back. I'll say it again. IT WAS ALWAYS AN ABSTRACT REPRESENTATION. Do you really, really think I somehow thought that it was a realistic interpretation?

This is why I don't like explaining shit to people, for Christ's sake.

I mean concrete, objective criteria.

MBTT is the same -- everything is in the abstract. I don't see how yours is any better if it's... well, exactly the same.

[Jack Flak]

I mean concrete, objective criteria.
We don't have any. Ever wonder why SJs don't tend to care for personality typing?

MBTT is the same -- everything is in the abstract. I don't see how yours is any better if it's... well, exactly the same.
Of course it's all abstract, but everything was based on someone's perception. MBTT function order was based on the perceptions of a blasted INFP interpreting the work of who knows what, maybe an INTJ. And here I am, an INTP, telling you what I think. I obviously can't prove it's more correct because that's impossible. If you think it makes sense, use it, that's all.

[Haphazard]

Aww.

[Magic Poriferan]

I don't mind having something subjectively arbitray suddenly cast as the institutional standard. Hell, that's how the entire dictionary works. What always bothered me is that no one even give a cosistent, arbitrary method for not only measuring a person's type, but (this is important) quantifying it.

The closest thing that has ever come to doing that are tests. In fact, they precisely have done that. But of course a lot of other complaints will be raised about those.

[entropie]

Of course it's all abstract, but everything was based on someone's perception. MBTT function order was based on the perceptions of a blasted INFP interpreting the work of who knows what, maybe an INTJ. And here I am, an INTP, telling you what I think. I obviously can't prove it's more correct because that's impossible. If you think it makes sense, use it, that's all.

I yesterday talked to a girl accomplishing her doctor in psychology. I expected her to know everything about MBTT, but she vaguely knew it.

She even got further and said MBTT is BS, because it depends on the style of answering its questions. Like the test taker gets the results he wants.

I was completly baffled by this, coming from a doctor student of psychology. I was thinking, if she ever thought about the fact that all of live could be subjective and objectivity remains an illusion ?

Someone has to tell her, before she practices, otherwise I probably think, she will think there is never error in her judgement :D

[Jack Flak]

I don't mind having something subjectively arbitray suddenly cast as the institutional standard. Hell, that's how the entire dictionary works. What always bothered me is that no one even give a cosistent, arbitrary method for not only measuring a person's type, but (this is important) quantifying it.
Honestly, in all my years of looking at this crap, the closest thing to a consistent standard is socionics' interpersonal relations. You have to have known some people IRL, and have a good idea of their types, to use it, however. The more interaction you've had and analyzed, the better. Concentrate on Dual and Conflicting, because they're the two most noticeable matches. With a Dual partner, in friendship, work, or romance, it's almost impossible to have a serious problem with each other. With a conflicting partner, it's almost impossible to respect anything about each other.

[entropie]

Are we two duals Watson ? :D

[Haphazard]

I yesterday talked to a girl accomplishing her doctor in psychology. I expected her to know everything about MBTT, but she vaguely knew it.

She even got further and said MBTT is BS, because it depends on the style of answering its questions. Like the test taker gets the results he wants.

I was completly baffled by this, coming from a doctor student of psychology. I was thinking, if she ever thought about the fact that all of live could be subjective and objectivity remains an illusion ?

Someone has to tell her, before she practices, otherwise I probably think, she will think there is never error in her judgement :D

Well, see, what happened to psychologists, is I think around the 1960s, they decided that personality analysis was bull and instead started picking at the deep, ingrained things in people's minds by putting them through bizarre, cruel, and unusual psychology experiments -- with consent, of course. They decided this was more fun and they even keep doing this today.

Subjectivity is fine and dandy but if there's a standard, then it's just plain useless if it's only applied on whims.

[Jack Flak]

Are we two duals Watson ? :D
What was Holmes? Man, I haven't read any since I was like nine years old. Duals aren't uncommon in fiction, I would say. Have you read any of the Jack Aubrey books? I think he's ESFP and Maturin is INTP.

[Jack Flak]

Subjectivity is fine and dandy but if there's a standard, then it's just plain useless if it's only applied on whims.
Useless? I use type study all the time, to plan action around people's personalities. Whether to engage or avoid, and how to go about it.

[Ivy]

Are those the gay sailor books? I keed, I keed. My brother has bent my ear a number of times about the Master & Commander books.

[entropie]

:D:D

Well, see, what happened to psychologists, is I think around the 1960s, they decided that personality analysis was bull and instead started picking at the deep, ingrained things in people's minds by putting them through bizarre, cruel, and unusual psychology experiments -- with consent, of course. They decided this was more fun and they even keep doing this today.

Subjectivity is fine and dandy but if there's a standard, then it's just plain useless if it's only applied on whims.

I agree and if you dont mind, I will use this to quote to people asking me why I didnt study psychology, if I am so intrested in those things :D

[Jack Flak]

Are those the gay sailor books? I keed, I keed. My brother has bent my ear a number of times about the Master & Commander books.
Yeah. The first one was awesome, but "Post Captain," man, I never finished it. The entire first THIRD of the book is high-falutin' talk and ballroom dancing.

[Haphazard]

Useless? I use type study all the time, to plan action around people's personalities. Whether to engage or avoid, and how to go about it.

Yes, but you're one person and may be somewhat internally consistent. I mean something big, like MBTI or government or something, that's spread among a lot of people.

[Jack Flak]

Yes, but you're one person and may be somewhat internally consistent. I mean something big, like MBTI or government or something, that's spread among a lot of people.
I know. It's not something which could or should be used by the average person, only the few who are keen on understanding the nature of it.

Believe me, if I were better at explaining things to the masses, I would write a big book about it, in order to attempt to quell what I see as misinformation and bad practice.

[Magic Poriferan]

I personally haven't entirely given up on testing, but there needs to be a very specific approach to it.

The test needs to be standard, and designed the way professional psychmetricians design tests. Nothing people take online for free really compares to what I'm talking about, in terms of the length, complexity, and the care put into exactly how ever question is asked.

Aside from that, some degree of human analysis is always necessary. A computer alone will probably never do a good job, but I do believe there is real use in testing as a tool for human analysis.

[entropie]

Ouh I just figured the entp dual is isfp and the enfp dual is istp. So I either hit Jeffster now or I look for that oil-washed, smelling like brake fluid mechanic girl, who will see to it that my engine stays running.

Man THAT would be awesome :D. I for the first time in my life I am proud to live in germany, because the chances of finding that here are quite high :D

[nightning]

I yesterday talked to a girl accomplishing her doctor in psychology. I expected her to know everything about MBTT, but she vaguely knew it.

She even got further and said MBTT is BS, because it depends on the style of answering its questions. Like the test taker gets the results he wants.

I was completly baffled by this, coming from a doctor student of psychology. I was thinking, if she ever thought about the fact that all of live could be subjective and objectivity remains an illusion ?

Someone has to tell her, before she practices, otherwise I probably think, she will think there is never error in her judgement :D
Well, the consensus in the psychology research community is that MBTI types cannot be demonstrated by scientific testing. The theories of cognitive function also cannot be falsified. Plus they have another perfectly workable model: the Big 5. It's not any different than psychoanalysis. Ask her and she'll likely tell you psychoanalysis isn't psychology either. ;)

[Jack Flak]

The test needs to be standard, and desgined the way professional psychmetricians design tests. Nothing people take online for free really compares to what I'm talking about, in terms of the length, complexity, and the care put into exactly how ever question is asked..
It could probably be done. Sensory deprivation for three days to reduce the mind to that of a child, followed by an intense battery of virtual reality situations where decisions are forced almost instantaneously--If the answer is too delayed, then you get the electroshock.

[entropie]

Well, the consensus in the psychology research community is that MBTI types cannot be demonstrated by scientific testing. The theories of cognitive function also cannot be falsified. Plus they have another perfectly workable model: the Big 5. It's not any different than psychoanalysis. Ask her and she'll likely tell you psychoanalysis isn't psychology either. ;)

Probably do, she should come online around 1 am in an hour. That's her time though it seems :D.

I keep on working on my turf robot now, finally finished the gearbox and ordered the parts for the electric circuitry. One or two weeks and I will drive it around and then it gets the cutter :D

[Magic Poriferan]

It could probably be done. Sensory deprivation for three days to reduce the mind to that of a child, followed by an intense battery of virtual reality situations where decisions are forced almost instantaneously--If the answer is too delayed, then you get the electroshock.

Well, humor aside, they generally don't go that far. They do intentionally make the test repetitive and at least a few hours long, though. Often times that alone is enough to exhaust people.

[Jack Flak]

Well, humor aside, they generally don't go that far. They do intentionally make the test repetitive and at least a few hours long, though. Often times that alone is enough to exhaust people.
I wasn't trying to be funny, but it is kinda funny, isn't it. That's torture for you, you just can't keep a straight face!

[Magic Poriferan]

I wasn't trying to be funny, but it is kinda funny, isn't it. That's torture for you, you just can't keep a straight face!

I thought it was a joke because it was so obviously over-the-top and unrelated to what I was actually talking about. :huh:

Amazing how you seem like you're are joking those times when you actually aren't. It's all just reversed for you, isn't it?

[Jack Flak]

I thought it was a joke because it was so obviously over-the-top and unrelated to what I was actually talking about. :huh:

Amazing how you seem like you're are joking those times when you actually aren't. It's all just reversed for you, isn't it?
Just because it's a realistic plan doesn't mean I think it's worth it. lol. You'd have to throw the subject in the garbage after you were done with them. What good would knowing their MBTI type be then?

[CaptainChick]

He sounds like a LII to me, to be honest. And yes, CaptainChick could easily be an EIE, the Beta Quadra atmosphere seems to be very fitting for her personality.
Um, who the fuck are you?

I think I have read a sum total of five or maybe seven of your posts. (The first two of which were directly hostile towards me.)

I don't know what EIE stands for, nor do I know what the fuck the Beta Quadra atmosphere is, or if those are the same things.

What I do know, is that I have ZERO interest in finding out anything about the accuracy of your typing or anything about said "system".

Needless to say, toots, you DO NOT KNOW ME, we do not interact, and for you to come out of the woodwork to publicly state something about who I am without any provocation is SUSPICIOUS, REPULSIVE, and flattering in a weird and fucked up way.

Oh, and what a pussy thing to do, to address others about me, instead of addressing *me* about your opinions about *me*

I didn't think ENTJ's were known for pussy tactics.

Awesome, and good luck with that.

[Jack Flak]

I think I have read a sum total of five or maybe seven of your posts.
But how many of yours has he read? That's what's important.

I don't know what EIE stands for, nor do I know what the fuck the Beta Quadra atmosphere is, or if those are the same things.
Ethical-Intuitive Extratim. (ENFj.) EIE is in the Beta Quadra with LSI, SLE, and IEI.

Needless to say, toots, you DO NOT KNOW ME, we do not interact, and for you to come out of the woodwork to publicly state something about who I am without any provocation is SUSPICIOUS, REPULSIVE, and flattering in a weird and fucked up way.
That's quite the example of a very active F function.

Oh, and what a pussy thing to do, to address others about me, instead of addressing *me* about your opinions about *me*
Again.

I didn't think ENTJ's were known for pussy tactics.
Again.

[bluemonday]

The easiest ways for me to type people are by

a. Temperament analysis--That is, someone's like others of a type.
circular

b. Preference analysis--That is, determine each preference separately by analyzing their behavior.
unreliable
c. Functional analysis (with my system)--That is, determine primary and support functions by analyzing behavior. unreliable
d. A combination of the above. Which is what I do, most of the time.

bullshit.

[G-Virus]

Um, who the fuck are you?

I think I have read a sum total of five or maybe seven of your posts. (The first two of which were directly hostile towards me.)

I don't know what EIE stands for, nor do I know what the fuck the Beta Quadra atmosphere is, or if those are the same things.

What I do know, is that I have ZERO interest in finding out anything about the accuracy of your typing or anything about said "system".

Needless to say, toots, you DO NOT KNOW ME, we do not interact, and for you to come out of the woodwork to publicly state something about who I am without any provocation is SUSPICIOUS, REPULSIVE, and flattering in a weird and fucked up way.

Oh, and what a pussy thing to do, to address others about me, instead of addressing *me* about your opinions about *me*

I didn't think ENTJ's were known for pussy tactics.

Awesome, and good luck with that.


*Tries to mop up the mess of ass, balls, guts, brains and shit left over from CC's Tirade.*

Next time you're going to open up a can of whoopass, can you let me know in advance so I can go to the store and pick up some damn bleach.

[Jack Flak]

circular unreliable unreliable bullshit.
What the hell, blue. If you've ever said you thought someone was X type, which you certainly have, you're using the same methods.

[Didums]

People who take pseudosciences seriously (you know who you are):

Get over it.

[Jack Flak]

People who take pseudosciences seriously (you know who you are):

Get over it.
Oh, hi, Didums. I'll haunt you with that every time you post about type, functions, or psychology in general.

[bluemonday]

What the hell, blue. If you've ever said you thought someone was X type, which you certainly have, you're using the same methods.
Nope. I type using the MBTI classification.
So do you, but you claim not to - that's the difference.

You haven't built your system by any other means - so how else can you type based on others of known type - you don't know anyone's type under your system! = Circular

[Didums]

Oh, hi, Didums. I'll haunt you with that every time you post about type, functions, or psychology in general.

Okay sweet, most of my time recently has been spent in the political and philosophy forums so that won't be much of an issue. And even if i post about type, it will probably be along the same lines as I already just said.

[entropie]

In your face :D

[Jack Flak]

Nope. I type using the MBTI classification.
So do you, but you claim not to - that's the difference.

You haven't built your system by any other means - so how else can you type based on others of known type - you don't know anyone's type under your system! = Circular
Yes, the MBTI classification, the Keirsey classification, the Socionics classification. They all correlate.

So you're telling me what I'm not even doing is "circular." Okay then.

[bluemonday]

Yes, the MBTI classification, the Keirsey classification, the Socionics classification. They all correlate.

So you're telling me what I'm not even doing is "circular." Okay then.

If they correlate to the extent that they are interchangeable - why do we need a new one, ie YOURS?

[Jack Flak]

If they correlate to the extent that they are interchangeable - why do we need a new one, ie YOURS?
I didn't invent a new one. I developed a descriptive function system. You didn't realize that? I understand quite a bit about your previous disagreement now.

[entropie]

uah I just read the tampons thread in question for femals only, that was disgusting :D

[bluemonday]

I didn't invent a new one. I developed a descriptive function system. You didn't realize that? I understand quite a bit about your previous disagreement now.

So what have you brought to the party, exactly? If people are going to end up the same type and all the old rules apply?

I thought you said there were "mistakes" under MBTI?

[Jack Flak]

So what have you brought to the party, exactly? If people are going to end up the same type and all the old rules apply?

I thought you said there were "mistakes" under MBTI?
There are, but the 16-type classification is fine. The function order specifically is wrong, and therefore not useful.

[entropie]

So what have you brought to the party, exactly? If people are going to end up the same type and all the old rules apply?

I thought you said there were "mistakes" under MBTI?

he tried to get rid of the difference between "Intro- and Extroverted Functions"

[CaptainChick]

Jack, you are unequivocally a moron.

An intelligent one, but a moron, nonetheless.

I am a feeler, damn straight, and I feel soooooooo fucking sorry for you, sometimes, and then I just see your ugly heart and I am like, he deserves the pitiful, pathetic lot he's got, and then I step back and wonder what someone must have done to you to make you the way you are and I feel bad again.

You know, I was abused by my father, and I have been through a lot of suffering and have experienced a lot of injustice, and I feel angry sometimes, and withdrawn and sad but the last thing I want to do is perpetuate the wrongs that have been done to me onto others.

Why the abused statistically tend to become abusers themselves baffles me sometimes, and then makes perfect sense to me other times.

Long story short, Jack, will you please do some introspecting and quit spewing your self-hate onto others?

Therapy really has helped me, perhaps it would be of some benefit to you as well.

:hug:

[entropie]

Jack, you are unequivocally a moron.

An intelligent one, but a moron, nonetheless.

I am a feeler, damn straight, and I feel soooooooo fucking sorry for you, sometimes, and then I just see your ugly heart and I am like, he deserves the pitiful, pathetic lot he's got, and then I step back and wonder what someone must have done to you to make you the way are and I feel bad again.

You know, I was abused by my father, and I have been through a lot of suffering and have experienced a lot of injustice, and I feel angry sometimes, and withdrawn and sad but the last thing I want to do is perpetuate the wrongs that have been done to me onto others.

Why the abused statistically tend to become abusers themselves baffles me sometimes, and then makes perfect sense to me others.

Long story short, Jack, will you please do some introspecting and quit spewing your self-hate onto others?

Therapy really has helped me, perhaps it would be of some benefit to you as well.

:hug:

Dont you think you are doing him wrong ? Jack does not abuse people, he just follows a clear line of reasoning. That results in abuse, I know, but I dont think he actually wants to do that

[bluemonday]

There are, but the 16-type classification is fine. The function order specifically is wrong, and therefore not useful.

OK. So not mistyping mistakes, but misinterpretation mistakes. Theoretically.
Gotcha.

[Jack Flak]

Jack, you are unequivocally a moron.
Again.

An intelligent one, but a moron, nonetheless.
Thanks!

I am a feeler, damn straight, and I feel soooooooo fucking sorry for you, sometimes, and then I just see your ugly heart and I am like, he deserves the pitiful, pathetic lot he's got, and then I step back and wonder what someone must have done to you to make you the way are and I feel bad again.
Okay, I was reading about the ILI, which is my type, on this site: Intuitive logical introvert - Wikisocion (http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=ILI)

It didn't tell me anything I didn't know, but merely the fact that it was written by others of and about my type may help you realize that it isn't some emotional pain which causes me to correct people. Read it if you actually want to know what's up, as opposed to simply being convinced you already do.

Why the abused statistically tend to become abusers themselves baffles me sometimes, and then makes perfect sense to me others. (For the record, I wasn't abused.)

[Uberfuhrer]

Why are people so closed off to VI and yet are open to behavioral traits in relation to type?

[entropie]

Why are people so closed off to VI and yet are open to behavioral traits in relation to type?

Virtual Identity, yea thats a point

[Uberfuhrer]

Virtual Identity, yea thats a point

Dammit, I thought it was Visual Identification! Stop confusing me!

[entropie]

oh my bad :D

[FDG]

Um, who the fuck are you?

I think I have read a sum total of five or maybe seven of your posts. (The first two of which were directly hostile towards me.)

I don't know what EIE stands for, nor do I know what the fuck the Beta Quadra atmosphere is, or if those are the same things.

What I do know, is that I have ZERO interest in finding out anything about the accuracy of your typing or anything about said "system".

Needless to say, toots, you DO NOT KNOW ME, we do not interact, and for you to come out of the woodwork to publicly state something about who I am without any provocation is SUSPICIOUS, REPULSIVE, and flattering in a weird and fucked up way.

Oh, and what a pussy thing to do, to address others about me, instead of addressing *me* about your opinions about *me*

I didn't think ENTJ's were known for pussy tactics.

Awesome, and good luck with that.

Hi. What are you talking about? We are in a typology forum, and I've made a suggestion on your socionics type, based exclusively on the information available. I adressed "others" simply because "another" person was speaking about it - very simple indeed, and without any particular further motivation. If you feel like shouting at something, get a a vodoo doll. Thanks.

[Magic Poriferan]

Just because it's a realistic plan doesn't mean I think it's worth it. lol. You'd have to throw the subject in the garbage after you were done with them. What good would knowing their MBTI type be then?


What do you mean "throw them in the garbage?". Military recruits are often tested in such a manner, so what should we do with them?

The test subjects will live.

[Jack Flak]

What do you mean "throw them in the garbage?". Military recruits are often tested in such a manner. The subjects will live.
Oh, cool then, let's do it.

[Jack Flak]

Victor: likely ENTP.

Everything seems to fit using this type, and I'm at least ashamed of myself that I hadn't considered it before. Hindsight is 20/20.

[bluemonday]

Victor: likely ENTP.

Everything seems to fit using this type, and I'm at least ashamed of myself that I hadn't considered it before. Hindsight is 20/20.
No way, Jose!

INFJ.

[Silently Honest]

Ha Ha Ha.

[Jack Flak]

No way, Jose!

INFJ.
That's what I thought at first too, but Victor goes meta like a space shuttle, all the time, exaggerating his positions and what not.

[bluemonday]

That's what I thought at first too, but Victor goes meta like a space shuttle, all the time, exaggerating his positions and what not.

That's 'cos he's crazy. You can't type the crazy ones when they're being crazy.

[Jack Flak]

That's 'cos he's crazy. You can't type the crazy ones when they're being crazy.
You're crazy.

[bluemonday]

You're crazy.

NO U.

[PinkPiranha]

Give him a geranium, Blue. I already have five.

[bluemonday]

Give him a geranium, Blue. I already have five.

I'm not wasting my geraniums on him. It'd wither beneath his contempt.

[Jack Flak]

I'm not wasting my geraniums on him. It'd wither beneath his contempt.
YOU'LL WITHER BENEATH MY CONTEMPT *stomps around*

[bluemonday]

YOU'LL WITHER BENEATH MY CONTEMPT *stomps around*

Are you calling me a flower? Awwww! :heart:

[PinkPiranha]

I'm not wasting my geraniums on him. It'd wither beneath his contempt.

I dunno. Those geraniums look mighty feisty in red.

[Antisocial one]

Originally Posted by Jack Flak
That's what I thought at first too, but Victor goes meta like a space shuttle, all the time, exaggerating his positions and what not.

If I remember correctly the original clasification was INTJ.


And I would not be suprised if he (or she) just likes to play mind games with people.

[Jack Flak]

If I remember correctly the original clasification was INTJ.


And I would not be suprised if he (or she) just likes to play mind games with people.
INTJ is possible, and perhaps the only type besides ENTP which I would consider so.

[Nocap]

Victor: likely ENTP.


INTJ

[bluemonday]

If I remember correctly the original clasification was INTJ.


And I would not be suprised if he (or she) just likes to play mind games with people.

He's too creative for an INTJ.

I thought he was calling himself an INFP anyway. Definitely F(lakey).

[Jack Flak]

He's too creative for an INTJ.

I thought he was calling himself an INFP anyway. Definitely F(lakey).
Victor doesn't believe in typing, and he just lets people give him types occasionally.

[PinkPiranha]

I don't believe in the Hamburglar either and yet he's at my local McDonald's, pwning the fry baskets.

[Jack Flak]

I don't believe in the Hamburglar either and yet he's at my local McDonald's, pwning the fry baskets.
Victor in the USA?!

[PinkPiranha]

The Hamburglar says "Hey!"

[Jack Flak]

The Hamburglar says "Hey!"
I owe the boy a beer. Get his ass to the airport.

[Evan]

Victor: likely ENTP.

Everything seems to fit using this type, and I'm at least ashamed of myself that I hadn't considered it before. Hindsight is 20/20.

INTJ fsho

[Nocap]

He's too creative for an INTJ. I...
Are you joking?

I thought he was calling himself an INFP anyway.I called myself ISFP one day. It was funny.

[01011010]

I don't believe in the Hamburglar either and yet he's at my local McDonald's, pwning the fry baskets.

:laugh:

[PinkPiranha]

I...
Are you joking?

I called myself ISFP one day. It was funny.

And hilarity ensued.

:laugh:

Oh you may laugh now. Just you wait 'til he gets his big fat cartoon hands on your apple pie.

[defragmybrain]

Hmmm..some people around here have told me I'm an ESFP. And one person in the vent chat even said that I "act ENTP." Do they know me better than I know myself? :huh:

i'm in the same boat. ISFP/ESFP hybrid

[01011010]

Oh you may laugh now. Just you wait 'til he gets his big fat cartoon hands on your apple pie.

:D Good thing I'm a raw foodist.

[GargoylesLegacy]

GargoylesLegacy: INFJ
Uh huh, so you Guys talk "behind my Back", eh? =P
Gee as far as that goes...I am always pretty hard to type with such Tests anyways. When I take a Test it often happens that I get the very same Score at two or more Result-Possibilities. Also I often work on my Personality, so it *could* be possible that I change thru the Types from Time to Time.

Though, I did read the INFJ Descriptions and I am still Way "too much into my own Stuff" to be more INFJ than INTJ somehow. But to me it doesn't matter too much anyways what Letters it is. It's just Letters after all. If People want to judge me by such a Thing, they can all go for it. I still think it's best to get to know me personally than just assuming how I am based on some Letters. Today I can look all INTJ-ish, tomorrow I might look ENTJ, INFJ or whatever. I am odd like that.

[Ivy]

GL, why do you Capitalize random Letters in your Posts?

[Uberfuhrer]

GL, why do you Capitalize random Letters in your Posts?

She's from a German-speaking nation. She's capitalizing all nouns.

[iwakar]

Uh huh, so you Guys talk "behind my Back", eh? =P
Gee as far as that goes...I am always pretty hard to type with such Tests anyways. When I take a Test it often happens that I get the very same Score at two or more Result-Possibilities. Also I often work on my Personality, so it *could* be possible that I change thru the Types from Time to Time.

Though, I did read the INFJ Descriptions and I am still Way "too much into my own Stuff" to be more INFJ than INTJ somehow. But to me it doesn't matter too much anyways what Letters it is. It's just Letters after all. If People want to judge me by such a Thing, they can all go for it. I still think it's best to get to know me personally than just assuming how I am based on some Letters. Today I can look all INTJ-ish, tomorrow I might look ENTJ, INFJ or whatever. I am odd like that.

You do outwardly resemble an INFJ more than an INTJ whether or not you agree with the assessment.

What I find noteworthy is that you aver your type is irrelevant... on a type forum. Peculiar much?

[Jack Flak]

i'm in the same boat. ISFP/ESFP hybrid
Ha ha ha NOOOO. No hybrids allowed!

[Falcarius]

Uh huh, so you Guys talk "behind my Back", eh? =P. Falcarius only talks behind his favourite members backs.:newwink:

Falcarius does not know what you're like offline, but you portray yourself on this forum as being too friendly for being one of those cold hearted INTJ's; Much the same way Night does.

[GargoylesLegacy]

Falcarius only talks behind his favourite members backs.:newwink:
Yeah, I love you too, Falco-saur. :devil:

Falcarius does not know what you're like offline, but you portray yourself on this forum as being too friendly for being one of those cold hearted INTJ's; Much the same way Night does.
Well, I am friendly to you Guys, yes. I mean I could also be mean and cold but that is not exactly the Way to make Friends or to learn new Stuff I guess. Besides it would suck major Ass if I came here only to be an Ass to People. Tho, I do have to say that except for you Guys I don't really talk to Anyone else. Not anymore.
I used to be pretty assy, but I had to compromise, because you don't really get Anywhere when being like that. Also personally I wouldn't like People to be like that with me either so I also shouldn't do it to them.
Oh and as a Matter of Fact there are some People in here who make me be more open and friendly than I would normally be. Actually, you are one of them, Falco-saurus. Not exactly sure how or why, but I won't complain. Hehe.

She's from a German-speaking nation. She's capitalizing all nouns.
Yup, you got it. Good Job. Have a Cookie. Or...whatever you like to have.

What I find noteworthy is that you aver your type is irrelevant... on a type forum. Peculiar much?
Heh, I told you I am odd. You should start to believe me.

[Jack Flak]

I don't think GL is serious enough to be INFJ. Being that INTJs are less concerned with THE IMPORTANT MATTERS like making sure everything is RIGHT AND PROPER, they tend to have a little more of the goofball in them.

[GargoylesLegacy]

I don't think GL is serious enough to be INFJ. Being that INTJs are less concerned with THE IMPORTANT MATTERS like making sure everything is RIGHT AND PROPER, they tend to have a little more of the goofball in them.
Gee, okaaay. Maybe I am a Case for a Laboratory. People seem to think quite different Stuff about me. INTJ, INFJ, ENTJ, ESTP and whatever?

Also, when reading many various INTJ Descriptions there seems to be some Individuals who are less "assy" too. I mean Everyone can learn, no? I did (have to). I mean I CAN be an Ass but why should I? You didn't do Anything to me so far. It would be pretty unpolite if I came to this Place and would act all cold. At least I think so.

[Jack Flak]

Gee, okaaay. Maybe I am a Case for a Laboratory. People seem to think quite different Stuff about me. INTJ, INFJ, ENTJ, ESTP and whatever?

Also, when reading many various INTJ Descriptions there seems to be some Individuals who are less "assy" too. I mean Everyone can learn, no? I did (have to). I mean I CAN be an Ass but why should I? You didn't do Anything to me so far. It would be pretty unpolite if I came to this Place and would act all cold. At least I think so.
entropie thought you were ENFP at first. What do you think about that?

[GargoylesLegacy]

entropie thought you were ENFP at first. What do you think about that?
*lol* Yeah I thought so.

You know, I seem to change occasionally. I mean I am a Person who always tries to "grow more" and who changes Stuff that I don't like about myself. I often had the "Problem" that when I took Tests I got out more than just one Result - all with the exact same Score. Also it is odd how I seem to vary my Type in different Tests.
In the "official" Myers-Briggs Test I got INTJ (even after doing it more than once on different Days), on Socionics short Test I got out INFp, somewhere else I get out whatever. My Eneagram said I was 1w2 and 8wX. It's odd. I mean I do recognize myself in every Group and every Result (no matter what Test it is). I have been like this forever.

As for MBTI - You can bring up Descriptions of ENFP, INTJ, INFJ or whatever, I will always be able to say "Jup, that's me", it's true, I am not deluding myself or Anything. It's just Fact. But INTJ still fits best. I found some Descriptions of them which were almost scary to read, because it fit so well.
Truth is, that probably I will always stay some sort of Ghost. In any Test, no matter if it is about MBTI, Eneagram, Comic-Characters or whatever else we already did here.

Is it a good Thing? I don't know. Is it bad? I don't know either. It's just me. I guess this is also why People would say "that I am so really multi-layered" about me. Some liked it, because I would be never boring, some didn't like it because they got "confused". Personally I am fine with it. There is worse I guess.

[Jack Flak]

Oh there's worse all right.

[entropie]

It's no shame to be unique :)

[Night]

Don't sweat it, GL.

I'm unlike most other INTJs, too. The characteristics represent a best-fitting model. There's no inherent requirement to embody all (or any) of the traits listed as commonplace for the INTJ to be an INTJ.

[GargoylesLegacy]

It's no shame to be unique :)
I darn hope I am unique! No Copies of me! At least no exact ones. That would be scary. I'd rather be in a Room with one of the must disgusting Demon-Knights or in a House full of Ghosts than being with an exact Copy of myself. O_o

*cough* Anyways.
I guess we had it all now...INTJ, INFJ, EN...whatever.
(Maybe I just creat my own Type, like...Noob :D)

Don't sweat it, GL.
I'm unlike most other INTJs, too. The characteristics represent a best-fitting model. There's no inherent requirement to embody all (or any) of the traits listed as commonplace for the INTJ to be an INTJ.
Oh thank the Gods. Someone who understands me. Hi there, fellow odd INTJ then.

[entropie]

I think you are INTJ. I never saw the inherit logic in it. I thought it must be a Ne, who has so many questions, because he is on the excited verge of insanity to get to know the world.

But I forgot, that this to some people, would not come off as an idea to approach life, but a basic need, to get started at all :D

[GargoylesLegacy]

I think you are INTJ. I never saw the inherit logic in it. I thought it must be a Ne, who has so many questions, because he is on the excited verge of insanity to get to know the world.

But I forgot, that this to some people, would not come off as an idea to approach life, but a basic need, to get started at all :D
Yeaaah, alright. I REALLY love you too, Entro. :D
Are we done here now? =P

[entropie]

I am done yes :)

[Haphazard]

Hmm.

Ent? Do you still say F for me? Why?

[entropie]

No I dont.

To be completly honest with you all. I wont type anybody of you seriously, cause I do not know shit about you

[Unique]

I've realized its possible I'm an ENTP but my N/S has always been very close.

[Synarch]

I've realized its possible I'm an ENTP but my N/S has always been very close.

You crack me up, dude. You were ESTP in ventrillo just moments ago!

[Thursday]

Edahn is an ENFP

[Unique]

You crack me up, dude. You were ESTP in ventrillo just moments ago!

Depends sometimes I am an ESTP lol but I'm also N in a lot of ways arg CONFUSION. :doh: *brain explodes*

[Nihilen]

Depends sometimes I am an ESTP lol but I'm also N in a lot of ways arg CONFUSION. :doh: *brain explodes*

I would regardlessly pick ENTP if I were you.

[Jeffster]

Depends sometimes I am an ESTP lol but I'm also N in a lot of ways arg CONFUSION. :doh: *brain explodes*

Don't do it Luke! You know you are SP! Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true! Use the force! Don't turn to the dark side!

[wolfy]

I would regardlessly pick ENTP if I were you.

Don't do it Luke! It's a trap! :D

Nihilen, Nihilen, Nihilen really pushing the we Ns are great thing tonight aren't we?

[Nihilen]

Don't do it Luke! It's a trap! :D

Nihilen, Nihilen, Nihilen really pushing the we Ns are great thing tonight aren't we?

Not really, but what other means do I have to pick on people when I'm bored and on a mbti forum ?

[wolfy]

Not really, but what other means do I have to pick on people when I'm bored and on a mbti forum ?

Start a thread on T vs F.

[Unique]

Don't do it Luke! You know you are SP! Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true! Use the force! Don't turn to the dark side!

After a long discussion with a friend I've realized that I'm definitely an S. I got thrown off by the whole "S's don't have deep conversations" thing and was like..... yes I bloody well do! but anyone can have a deep conversation about something that interests them :)

ESTP for life

Don't do it Luke! You know you are SP! Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true! Use the force! Don't turn to the dark side!

Don't worry I'm an SP... just with a high N.... for an SP... if that makes sense... lol

[INTJMom]

See when you just make up your own rules and invent your own "system", how can anyone argue with that?
There's no such thing as 2/3 INTP 1/3 INFP.
That's just an INTP with T=66%. :doh:
...
Flak has made up his own rules and invented his own system because he's actually an INTJ who is in denial.
That's why nothing fits him the way it is, and why he has to refashion everything so it does fit.

[booyalab]

Flak has made up his own rules and invented his own system because he's actually an INTJ who is in denial.
That's why nothing fits him the way it is, and why he has to refashion everything so it does fit.

An INTP that you dislike and don't understand must be secretly an INTJ? Hmm, I don't recall reading about that typing method in Please Understand Me or any of the Myers Briggs books. Are you sure you aren't making up your own rules?

[bluemonday]

Flak has made up his own rules and invented his own system because he's actually an INTJ who is in denial.
That's why nothing fits him the way it is, and why he has to refashion everything so it does fit.

Ah! You may have a point there . . .;)

[INTJMom]

An INTP that you dislike and don't understand must be secretly an INTJ? Hmm, I don't recall reading about that typing method in Please Understand Me or any of the Myers Briggs books. Are you sure you aren't making up your own rules?
I don't dislike Jack Flak.
Just because you don't know why and how I came to that conclusion doesn't mean it's illegitimate.

[Jack Flak]

Flak has made up his own rules and invented his own system because he's actually an INTJ who is in denial.
That's why nothing fits him the way it is, and why he has to refashion everything so it does fit.
Oh look, it's getting crowded.

Anyone who thinks for a second I'm INTJ has their head on backwards. I'm smart like some INTJs, and that's pretty much where the similarities end. You might find more company if you jump on the bandwagon of those who think I'm ENTP, and that that's the reason I developed a function system which isn't stupid and confusing. It's equally incorrect, however. But you would have company: Nocapszy for one, the self-appointed "professional typist." I can tell the difference between an ENTP and INTP and INTJ, even online, so I don't know what short bus y'all rode to the forum.

[Evan]

Flak has made up his own rules and invented his own system because he's actually an INTJ who is in denial.
That's why nothing fits him the way it is, and why he has to refashion everything so it does fit.

Certainly strong in introverted perception. But that doesn't narrow down much, as the first two functions don't define anyone's personality.

[Jack Flak]

Certainly strong in introverted perception. But that doesn't narrow down much, as the first two functions don't define anyone's personality.
If you believe that, and that I'm INTP, trust your instincts, and ignore preconceived/established ideas. We'll wind up with similar notions, like a. socionics function order makes more sense (Ni-Te-Si-Fe), but it's still flawed.

[Evan]

If you believe that, and that I'm INTP, trust your instincts, and ignore preconceived/established ideas. We'll wind up with similar notions, like a. socionics function order makes more sense (Ni-Te-Si-Fe), but it's still flawed.

I do believe that. And you could still be INTP.

I see Ti, Ne, and Si all about equally.

I don't necessarily believe in separate functions for extroversion and introversion anyway. So maybe I should say: I see Sensing a bit on the introverted side, iNtuition a bit on the extroverted side (but I still see a bit of introverted iNtuition), and Thinking pretty heavily on the introverted side.

But that could really translate to a bunch of possible distributions of functions.

Anyways, strong Pi is apparent.

(Inferior Fe could mean Fe in 8th place, so Fi is stronger, or it could mean Fe in 4th place, so Fi is weaker. There isn't really a formula.)

[Jack Flak]

I do believe that. And you could still be INTP.
I don't suppose you have to believe me, but it's as I've said. If I'm not INTP, no one is.

[Evan]

I don't suppose you have to believe me, but it's as I've said. If I'm not INTP, no one is.

I believe that you use Ji more than Pe, that your preferred Ji is Ti and that your preferred Pe is Ne. I even think you might rely a bit more on Si (to support Ti, as it gathers only information that Ti wants) than Ne, but that wouldn't change your type anyway.

[Jack Flak]

I believe that you use Ji more than Pe, that your preferred Ji is Ti and that your preferred Pe is Ne. I even think you might rely a bit more on Si (to support Ti, as it gathers only information that Ti wants) than Ne, but that wouldn't change your type anyway.
Jack Flak is a pretty cool guy. eh uses teh funcshuns and doesn't afraid of anything.

[entropie]

:D
http://www.stadtwanderer.net/blog/media/Knoblauch_20top.jpg

[disregard]

Dear Dana,

You are an INFP.

You are the definition of INFP.

Change your type again and you're dead to me!

Dead to me, I say!

[Jeffster]

Dear Dana,

You are an INFP.

You are the definition of INFP.

Change your type again and you're dead to me!

Dead to me, I say!

Dana,

I agree with disregard.

Plus she's hot!

That has nothing to do with this topic, but I felt I should point it out. :blush:

[Silently Honest]

Dear Dana,

You are an INFP.

You are the definition of INFP.

Change your type again and you're dead to me!

Dead to me, I say!
...



http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg

[Evan]

Dear Dana,

You are an INFP.

You are the definition of INFP.

Change your type again and you're dead to me!

Dead to me, I say!

Lol. I bet you change your type again at some point...

[Ivy]

"does disregard change her type a lot?" is the new "is the Pope Catholic?"

[Uberfuhrer]

Lol. I bet you change your type again at some point...

Precisely why she's a P.

[PinkPiranha]

Precisely why she's a P.

What's your excuse, Mr. Entp-Entj-Intj Guy?

[disregard]

lol

[Uberfuhrer]

What's your excuse, Mr. Entp-Entj-Intj Guy?

MBTI isn't doing it for me anymore. Socionics is the future. The new way.

[ThatGirl]

:D
http://www.stadtwanderer.net/blog/media/Knoblauch_20top.jpg

AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!:steam:

[Sytpg]

Jack, you're IBSP. Definitely.

[OneWithSoul]

I think Uber is a proud INFP, and his path is life is compassion, though he doesn't see it yet. But he will.

[Uberfuhrer]

I think Uber is a proud INFP, and his path is life is compassion, though he doesn't see it yet. But he will.

Proud?

[OneWithSoul]

Proud?

Well maybe not proud...

I think you'll have a mid-life epiphany where you'll realize you're calling in life. :D

[Uberfuhrer]

Well, thanks for the thought, but I'm actually not gay.

[A Schnitzel]

I heard a rumour that Schnitzel's actually an INTJ.

[Bougal]

I heard a rumour that Schnitzel's actually an INTJ.


I heard that too. I think it might be right.

I heard that Bougal is an ENTP...

[A Schnitzel]

I heard that too. I think it might be right.
All the ladies say it, so it must be true.
I heard that Bougal is an ENTP...

Only on every second tuesday of the month (and the occasional friday).

[Uytuun]

I heard a rumour that Schnitzel's actually an INTJ.

Let's switch types.

[Thursday]

I heard this thread is fostering more doubt than need be

[Lauren Ashley]

I heard this thread is fostering more doubt than need be

Thursday - INFP :)

[Silently Honest]

I heard this thread is fostering more doubt than need be

Indeed.

[noigmn]

Gauche, put the E and the F back in. The whole x thing is freaking me out.

[greed]

Guys, I think I might be ENFP, or at least ENTP :doh:

Engineering school made me way too scheduled and planning (not to mention perfectionistic, withdrawn, and detail-oriented--qualities that I eventually got over), and I'm coming to find that that's really not me at all. I've actually really come to despise unwavering plans, structure and bureaucracy, others' judgmental natures, and an impersonal view on life. I've just felt happier embracing.. well.. exactly the opposite, and also embracing and accepting a lot of contradictions that I've held about my own personality.

My first counselor was quite a listener, and he communicated with me on a very analytical level.. I'd have typed him as INTP if he hadn't outright told me that he was ENFP.

So I might try that one for a while, if you insane Ne-doms will have me. ;)

[Lady X]

we'll have you. i kinda wondered anyway. :)

[Magic Poriferan]

If you say so. A few of the things you mentioned despising really don't have much to do with being a J, though.

[Nadir]

I picked a random page from this thread and there were many lulz. I picked another and they were there again.

EDIT: 50-post pages. :)

[greed]

If you say so. A few of the things you mentioned despising really don't have much to do with being a J, though.

Oh yeah, I realize that.. a lot of it can be associated with other personality traits.. it's all just part of the same slow realization that I've had about what I've tended to value most in other people, in the work environment, and so on.


The whole idea of ENxPs being "sponges of knowledge" definitely resonates with me, though.. so does the title of "Benevolent Inventor." I went through a phase where I'd read a type description and pretty much take it on as my own, just as I seem to naturally "fit in" with a bunch of different groups of people. My love of psychology and my interest in humanitarian work might lead me to think I'm more F than I am, but I also can't help but feel like I pick up on social cues that others seem to miss. I also naturally start to mirror others' facial expressions and gesticulations as they talk, and I have to stifle that from time to time :doh:

Who knows.. I'll just keep investigating.. :)

[Eric B]

I see you're reconsidering your type, and I have always sensed that I did not get ENTJ ("Fieldmarshall") vibes. Have you looked a the cognitive processes?

[Thursday]

I get ENxP for Greed at first glance

[Lady X]

me too thursday...kinda always have.

[Sytpg]

but I also can't help but feel like I pick up on social cues that others seem to miss.

What do you mean by this?

[Thursday]

Greed ENTP
next

[greed]

Yeah, ENTP pretty well makes sense.. it's becoming apparent that I don't lead with a judging function, at least. I'm not too bothered by the question of my exact type, but I guess it's an interesting discussion at least :)

In college, I thought I couldn't even be around other people.. but when I gave myself the chance, I absolutely loved it. By the same token, once I got over the mindset that I couldn't pick up on my own emotional state or others' cues simply by telling myself that I could, I quickly began to recognize my own emotions and better understand others' indirect communication. It was a weird transition that I don't even really remember happening.. giving myself a chance at it did wonders for me.

I'm described as an analytical person, and I can logically sort things out, but I've noticed that I tend to take criticism personally. In an impersonal realm like engineering, that can be kind of difficult because few people actually have tact ;) It's taken me a few years to correct for that and to stop taking things so personally, but I do get drawn into that mindset from time to time. Depends on the mood I'm in, I guess..

Despite it all, I'm my own harshest critic, I have high standards for myself, and one of my biggest fears is being seen as unreliable and unable to meet others' expectations of me.

What do you mean by this?

This might not all be related to social cues so to speak, but here are some examples of the general concept I'm pointing to..

Just last night, I was at a friend's house with some others I didn't know. One of the others made some small gesticulation toward his wife (touched her leg, or something.. I forget exactly), and I told him "Yeah, I'm with you".. he asked me to clarify what I meant. I knew that he was ready to leave, and so I clarified that I was ready to leave.

I typically play poker first by reading other people, where my other ENTP friend pays more attention to the cards.

I was in a conversation with two other people, and I could sense one's annoyance at the other.. and, well, the other person wasn't fazed at all. I had to indirectly draw him out of the conversation to "save" the other person.

I saw how my ENTP brother-in-law and EnFJ sister were directly communicating in the form of questions to each other and "called them out on it," so to speak. They hadn't really realized what they were doing.

I can also pick up on whether and exactly how I can discuss ideas with other people.. especially in the realm of conflict. When my ENFJ friend and I get into disagreements, I pick up on when we can discuss things and when we can't based upon what I see about our emotional states. This is something I can't get my brother-in-law or my ENTJ dad to realize.. that not everyone means what they directly say, and not everyone is always open to objective discussion of their issues all the time.. that you have to find either the right time or coax them out of their non-receptive state somehow.

People tend to come to me about their problems and seek my advice. Even at work, these seasoned researchers talk to me about issues that they're facing.. grandiose issues such as mass panic about some sort of drastic change that probably won't happen anyway. I end up playing damage control whenever someone says something during a meeting in a way that disturbs everyone else :doh:

I'm told that I can justify anyone's behavior, and I always seek to find a better explanation for situations involving other people. My boss was about ready to blame some other coworkers for something that wasn't done, but my first thought was to try to find an explanation for why their part wasn't completed. I talked to them about it, and it turned out that, due to their circumstances, they couldn't have possibly started on their task. I reported the details back to my boss, and he proceeded to not chew them out over something out of their control :)

Especially if I'm interested in someone, I can size them up pretty quickly. The night I met the girl I'm dating now, I'd pegged her as an artistic, humanitarian, innocent and somewhat sheltered, open-minded person, despite none of this coming up in conversation (and as shy as she was, there was very little conversation :)). Everything I've learned since then has only verified all of that. With some people, I've been wrong about my initial impressions, but I just change them accordingly.. easy and manageable since I don't judge them based on what I first think about them.

Now whether this is all something I've learned to do out of interest, whether I just do it to the degree that normal individuals can, or whether it's something that comes innately? No clue :)

I see you're reconsidering your type, and I have always sensed that I did not get ENTJ ("Fieldmarshall") vibes. Have you looked a the cognitive processes?

I've read all about them, and certain cognitive processes will resonate with me depending on how I'm feeling at the time or what sort of situations I've been exposed to recently. This has happened with type descriptions ranging from ESFJ (:doh:) to ESTP to ENTJ to.. well, a lot of them :)

Thanks for the "journey through type," all.. I definitely appreciate all of the input!!

[Sytpg]

lol, sorry Greed, I had misread your other post. I read it as if you picked up on social cues as not an F trait. Nevermind, sensotard moment.

Your post seems more like ENFP than ENTP to me. You're a guy right? ENFP guys, well every man of every type, tend to be more use T more then their female counterparts.

Myself in particular, I have a high Ti. Why do you think you are T and not F?

Most people consider me rational and analytical btw. But there's no doubt I'm an F.

[beyondaurora]

Can I be mistyped if I am not typed? ;)

[Sytpg]

Can I be mistyped if I am not typed? ;)

Yes. You are clearly not an ESTJ. You know what that means? :P

[Little Linguist]

I can't believe that one test typed me as an INFP...That surely cannot be!!!! :shock:

[beyondaurora]

I can't believe that one test typed me as an INFP...That surely cannot be!!!! :shock:

You're right! It surely cannot!

[greed]

lol, sorry Greed, I had misread your other post. I read it as if you picked up on social cues as not an F trait. Nevermind, sensotard moment.

Your post seems more like ENFP than ENTP to me. You're a guy right? ENFP guys, well every man of every type, tend to be more use T more then their female counterparts.

Myself in particular, I have a high Ti. Why do you think you are T and not F?

Most people consider me rational and analytical btw. But there's no doubt I'm an F.

Being involved in engineering and computer science for so long, and having been programming since I was about six years old, it's hard to inot have a well-developed logical side ;)

I never put much stock in the model describing the roles of the cognitive processes past the first two, but Te as a relief function instead of a leading makes a lot of sense to me. I have my various organizational systems, I like implementing them, and I pride myself on them. In fact, the frequency at which I use Te nowadays may lead me to believe it to be a dominant function. Organizing the world around me in creative ways allows me to just sit back and just enjoy it.

Si as an inferior? I think I rather like that description, although that doesn't differentiate between ENTP and ENFP :)

From here (http://www.socioforum.ru/post288595.html), describing how a socionics ENFp might confuse himself for an ENTp:

"In this instance, the way to discern between these two types and to choose the correct one is to determine whether you activelly use more Te or Ti. If you use Te more than you use Ti, you are probably an ENFp. If you use Ti more than you use Te, you could really be an ENTp."

Which.. yeah, my use of Te's pretty well described above. Likewise, from ENTp to ENFp (as we'd guess):

"If you use Fe more than you use Fi, you are probably an ENTp. If you use Fi more than you use Fe, you could really be an ENFp."

From this standpoint.. well.. my ENFJ friend and I are definitely clash when it comes to social roles and other traits described by Fe, which I sometimes come to strongly despise in terms of how limiting and controlling I feel it to be. Likewise, he basically doesn't understand the concept of empathy at all, where I'd describe it as one of my defining traits.

Thanks for the insight, Sytpg! It definitely helps getting the perspective of male ENFPs. I'll continue keeping a watch out and see which posters I end up resonating more with.. I'm not exactly around many ENFPs in real life, so it's hard for me to compare myself to them.

So, yeah, this might be settled now? Although, ironically enough, it looks like I'm approaching this from a Ti perspective :)

(I just hope this doesn't mean that I have to go out and find an INTJ girlfriend.. the last one I dated made me want to stab myself in the head :doh: ;))

[Little Linguist]

I've decided that I shall now be ESFP because I said so....That NF stuff just ain't cutting it - time to try on a new hat. :looks in the mirror: Well, how do you think it fits? :huh:

[ajblaise]

I've decided that I shall now be ESFP because I said so....That NF stuff just ain't cutting it - time to try on a new hat. :looks in the mirror: Well, how do you think it fits? :huh:

That post sounds really ESFP at least. You're off to a good start.

[Little Linguist]

That post sounds really ESFP at least. You're off to a good start.

Coolness - seeeeeee I told ya so! :tongue10:

[Sytpg]

Being involved in engineering and computer science for so long, and having been programming since I was about six years old, it's hard to inot have a well-developed logical side ;)

I'm actually in computer engineering myself :) (even though I've learned I don't like it as much as I did in the past)

It's actually funny, because throughout the years I always chose the science related subjects, and what I found out was that I never ended up picking the areas I was naturally good at (like language and humanities) nor the ones I liked (art). Learning I was an ENFP has made me understand where and when I've been "fighting the current", so to speak. Obviously, "fighting the current" is great, but striking a balance is better.

The Ti/Te thing is something I'm still not sure of. My Ti is supposed to be my third strongest function and Te kinda weak. I still relate a lot to ENTP profiles because I feel part ENTP too. But my Fi is my second function so I'm definitely more ENFP. (also I still relate proportionately a lot more to ENFP profiles. At the end of the day it's "live and let live".)

From this standpoint.. well.. my ENFJ friend and I are definitely clash when it comes to social roles and other traits described by Fe, which I sometimes come to strongly despise in terms of how limiting and controlling I feel it to be. Likewise, he basically doesn't understand the concept of empathy at all, where I'd describe it as one of my defining traits.

In a weird way, I think strong Fi could also account for your doubt and self-consciousness regarding type.

Thanks for the insight, Sytpg! It definitely helps getting the perspective of male ENFPs. I'll continue keeping a watch out and see which posters I end up resonating more with.. I'm not exactly around many ENFPs in real life, so it's hard for me to compare myself to them.

Just bear in mind ENFP randomness and "the devil's advocate" complex ;)

[mbeerti]

I occasionally experience bouts of 'E' and ('F'-like?) 'benevolence'...though not necessarily together. Some of my favorite pastimes (e.g. mindless sports-watching, beer-drinking, art) are sort of 'S' but I would still categorize myself as INTP if we're putting ourselves into boxes. Don't think anyone on here 'knows' me well enough to disagree. Likewise, I'm not really well enough acquainted with any typology members to judge them.

However, I am a bit curious about those of you who have put '?' or 'x' in the T/F slot....

[noigmn]

Just bear in mind ENFP randomness and "the devil's advocate" complex ;)

On the subject of randomness and devils advocate, I've been pondering INTJ recently. It doesn't have much in it, but as an Fi Te, I really should've checked it as an option too. I keep asking questions like: How do I know my intuit bursts are Ne not Ni? Am I delusional? hehe, sometimes any option can feel better than a closed case with nothing left to explore.

[scattershot]

Dude, will you give it up already? You're an ENFP...no matter how hard you try to escape from us. :tongue:

sometimes any option can feel better than a closed case with nothing left to explore.

^^ Definitely Ne.

[Sytpg]

On the subject of randomness and devils advocate, I've been pondering INTJ recently. It doesn't have much in it, but as an Fi Te, I really should've checked it as an option too. I keep asking questions like: How do I know my intuit bursts are Ne not Ni? Am I delusional? hehe, sometimes any option can feel better than a closed case with nothing left to explore.



I have a heard time thinking in terms of functions and the 4 letters at the same time....I mean....for example, if your strongest function is Fi, it would make sense for you to be an introvert, supposedly. But then again, you might not regard yourself as an introvert.

Have you read the INTJ profile and found that it applies to you?

[Antisocial one]

On the subject of randomness and devils advocate, I've been pondering INTJ recently. It doesn't have much in it, but as an Fi Te, I really should've checked it as an option too. I keep asking questions like: How do I know my intuit bursts are Ne not Ni? Am I delusional? hehe, sometimes any option can feel better than a closed case with nothing left to explore.

I think that you are just adding N (since you are N) into your ISTJ shadow.
Btw you don't sound as INTJ.
However I could "buy" you as an ENTP.

[Lady X]

noigmn is one of the most enfp people on here...for sure. no question.

[Dwigie]

Can someone try to type me? I get echoes that I don't seem "infj"
What do I "seem" like then?

[Thursday]

Can someone try to type me? I get echoes that I don't seem "infj"
What do I "seem" like then?

INFP - a very gentle and sweet something or other

[Quinlan]

I don't know Kyuuei all that well but a couple of times I've come across her express Fe-like attitudes, if you have any type doubts I would suggest the possibility of ESFJ with well develop Ne.

[beyondaurora]

I don't know Kyuuei all that well but a couple of times I've come across her express Fe-like attitudes, if you have any type doubts I would suggest the possibility of ESFJ with well develop Ne.

Here, here!:happy0065: You're not alone -- a few of us on Vent have mentioned this to her.

[Thursday]

beyondaurora's signature suggests an Fi dom
"A bird does not sing because it has an answer; it sings because it has a song." (Chinese proverb)

[Silently Honest]

So does yours.

[Thursday]

So does yours.

no one asked you, face!
although.....nah

[prplchknz]

no one asks to be mentioned in this thread, thats not the purpose of said thread. the purpose of this thread is to pretend like we know everything about someone and say their a different type without permission.

[entropie]

I typed my guniea pig yesterday to be an INTJ. It stole my bottle of scotch and hit me on the head with it while I was sleeping, so it can steal my pocket. Marvellous tactician

[Jennifer]

Jennifer is no expert, noone is

Sniff. I get no respect... not even from bad typists.

I typed my guniea pig yesterday to be an INTJ. It stole my bottle of scotch and hit me on the head with it while I was sleeping, so it can steal my pocket. Marvellous tactician

Actually, now I'm thinking it's an ESFP and you had it coming.

Defining factor:
ESFP = spends money within a few hours on wild rodent sex, booze, bronco riding, and 3000 pairs of fun-colored sparkly sunglasses
INTJ = spends money on new rocket guidance system and blueprints for an impenetrable arctic fortress with a giant hamster wheel to generate electricity, manned by mind-controlled hamster patsies

[entropie]

Ouh ? Did I say that ?

I am prolly INTJ aswell -.-

[entropie]

Ah now I got the joke :D

SEE Subtypes

Sensory subtype: (The Tactician)

:D

[SmileyMan]

Since there's nothing else going on I might as well ask you to type my Typology Central-personality based on the few posts I have. Pwetty pwease.

[Quinlan]

I think Quinlan is mistyped as HUMAN, I think GOD, is probably a better fit...